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Posted by Dave Richards on 03-03-2019 04:09 AM:

Jen Cummings

Now you have opened up a can of worms! Lol. How far back are we talking? My opinion is that most modern pedigrees are correct, especially after DNA testing came about. Before DNA testing, we were at the mercy and integrity of the breeders. Absolutely, no doubt that there were "mistakes" on some pedigrees in the past. Lol. Dave

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Posted by DL NH on 03-03-2019 04:21 AM:

Bland Pitman

One of the 2 old guys that started me into coon hunting in 1977 bought several from Bland. The first one was the best. A grade B&T named Smokey.
I never saw him go as he had died before I started hunting with them. I hunted with all the rest though. The last one was out of old Hickory Nut Harry. That dog made a shortage of skunks around here locally. He'd go out of his way to kill one. He was a pretty decent coon dog after he got all the skunks out of the way! LOL!

Just got to thinking........1 of the 2 old guys I mentioned that got me started was 55 in 1977. I'll be 61 in a few months what possessed me to think he was old??😯🤔

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 03-03-2019 04:50 AM:

Re: Jen Cummings

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Now you have opened up a can of worms! Lol. How far back are we talking? My opinion is that most modern pedigrees are correct, especially after DNA testing came about. Before DNA testing, we were at the mercy and integrity of the breeders. Absolutely, no doubt that there were "mistakes" on some pedigrees in the past. Lol. Dave

They never considered DNA would be used in the future. Paper swapping was a common as dog swapping! They had notebooks full of papers and most couldn't match up what went with half the dogs they tied in their yards. DNA had never even been heard of outside scientific circles for a long time. Swapping dogs was as common in the hound world as grocery shopping, they looked at the teeth and then looked in the notebook to see if there were any that were close in age. None saw any wrong in what they did sometimes it was the simple difference in a grade dog or having a registered. Many of times Cheyenne in our younger married years would have to flip though those pages to find the correct set on a dog he knew we would buy to make some extra cash. Hunt put some wins on and re-sell kept the lights on many of months. Many of these old time dog jockeys were illiterate or had limited reading skills. I can't tell you how many sets of papers he has had to read the pedigree on because they couldn't. I also can't tell you how many from the older generation that I have filled out entry slips for at hunts over the years, even some still today and I will miss them when they're gone. Many grew up very poor an education took a back burner to work. Dogs were enjoyment for hunting but also making money from hides, buying, selling and trading on dogs or anything else of value.

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Posted by Jerry Sullivan on 03-03-2019 08:07 PM:

Surprised the name Leroy Penny didn't come up.Went to Kent on one time and he sold every hound he could round up.lot of sad people when they went hunting,

Posted by Dave Richards on 03-03-2019 08:42 PM:

Jen Cummings

What you described was in fact what happened ALL over the coon hunting community. There was a lot of that stuff going on and most folks knew it. I remember when a registered dog was a rarity in these mountains. Your post was a needed reminder of what really went on in the early dogs of registration. No winder we are still getting some throwbacks in our modern dogs. Lol. Dave

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Posted by George pouliott on 03-03-2019 10:20 PM:

There's a whole family in Kentucky been getting people for year's not just in dog's but equipment too . There's been dozens of post about them bit people still send them money .

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Posted by shadinc on 03-03-2019 10:45 PM:

When I was about 15 years old a man I hunted rabbits with knew I was interested in coon hunting. He knew a coon hunter and said he would take me to his place to see his hounds. When we got there the coon hunter said he didn't have any coon dogs at the time. He showed us eleven crates from dogs he had shipped from one of the kennels that advertised in Field and Stream for $65 apiece. He said none of them would do anything and he had shot them. The man I went with asked him why didn't he just pay the money and buy a good dog. He said, Hell, they asking $200 to 300 for a coon dog, ain't no dam dog worth that kinda money."

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Posted by Blacklabel on 03-03-2019 11:30 PM:

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Originally posted by shadinc
When I was about 15 years old a man I hunted rabbits with knew I was interested in coon hunting. He knew a coon hunter and said he would take me to his place to see his hounds. When we got there the coon hunter said he didn't have any coon dogs at the time. He showed us eleven crates from dogs he had shipped from one of the kennels that advertised in Field and Stream for $65 apiece. He said none of them would do anything and he had shot them. The man I went with asked him why didn't he just pay the money and buy a good dog. He said, Hell, they asking $200 to 300 for a coon dog, ain't no dam dog worth that kinda money."

People still think like this. Buying $5/600 dogs and be disappointed because they don't operate like the $5000 dog they expect.

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Posted by wart on 03-04-2019 02:20 AM:

Dog traders

40 yr ago an old dog trader told me he never tried to tell someone more than he thought they would believe he also said something about fairy tale soup

Posted by Pastor Ed on 03-04-2019 09:16 AM:

Dog traders

Here has been my experience. Up until recently I've hunted English dogs. One of the biggest names in the English breed took me to the cleaners. Had a 2 year old female from his kennel. He owned sire and dam. Made a NitCh out of her in three out of four hunts and not just small local hunts either. Qualified her for the World Hunt. She came in heat so I knew I couldn't hunt her in the world so I bred her to a big name stud dog. Did the DNA and her dam was her dam but her Sire was unknown. Who do you think was left holding the bag? Not Larry Wilcox. Dog dealers come I all shapes and forms

Posted by Freeman on 03-04-2019 11:18 PM:

My three favorite memories from the old local dog traders are

1.One guy had three rows of dog houses each row was a different price you could bring one back but you always ended up paying more for new in the "better" rows he also had his personal hound tied out back which could be bought for the right price I don't remember that personal hound being the same any time I was there looking did buy one really nice dog from him once from the $300 row

2. old guy I hunted with would get a hound on two week trial and try to sell it for more money it would get bad if you lost one of those trial hounds back in the days before trackers we spent a lot of time looking for some of them so he wouldn't lose his money.I bought a half redbone half black and tan from him for $250 one night and he complained for years because the dog was worth more than he sold him for We sold him for $750 after we had him for several years he was a pretty nice hound

3.every dog this one guy had for sale absolutely hated a coon most of them hated them so much that they would not run or tree them but he gave the same pitch every time

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Posted by NJB6 on 03-06-2019 06:04 PM:

Old Cecil Bowen got some of my cash back in the early 90's

Posted by PlottDawg on 03-06-2019 07:31 PM:

You ain't the only 1

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