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Posted by joey on 11-02-2017 03:24 AM:

I guess it depends on your definition of tracking?

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Posted by yadkintar on 11-02-2017 03:27 AM:

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Originally posted by jay brademeyer
We raised Shaker and snake both they were brothers. Shaker was older. I trained snake. Clay Scott trained Shaker. Snake was ok but I liked Shaker allot better. In fact I would say in my opinion rattle snake wasn't a pimple on shakers butt as far as being a hard-nosed coondog. The two out of that cross that were my favorites were Bud and Spooner.. jmo.. we made that cross 3 times... As far as the wipeouts go. I agree.. they are the track dogs of today's Walker dogs

Shaker was a better track dog than snake but shaker when I hunted with him would blow deep to quick but was classey snake wasent flashy but would get every coon in the bottom I just liked him.

Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-02-2017 02:32 PM:

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Originally posted by joey
I guess it depends on your definition of tracking?

Track dogs track Stuff.. emphasis on stuff.... Track dogs bark emphasis on barking.. Lol

I think many Wipeout dogs would fall under that.

I don't mind the dog bumping a little junk and turn it into a coon way through the country in fact I kind of like that

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-02-2017 02:43 PM:

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Shaker was a better track dog than snake but shaker when I hunted with him would blow deep to quick but was classey snake wasent flashy but would get every coon in the bottom I just liked him.

That's exactly right Robbie. Snake was a better pleasure type hound and wouldn't leave the country. Shakerr was a big big time hunting dog and would go as far as he had to no matter what conditions .. he find one somewhere and have it... That's the way bud and Spooner were also and that's the way their mother sassy was ,she was out of Lipper

Posted by swamp1 on 11-02-2017 04:38 PM:

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Originally posted by joey
I'm feeling opinionated today and I'm going to say something else that will make some folks mad. Sorry Bruce I know you like them but I completely disagree with the statement Jay just made. Obviously I haven't hunted with all of them but I have hunted with a lot of the good ones. I have also pleasure hunted with them and had them on my Garmin. The Garmin tells on them. People think a lot of these dogs are running a track when they are not. I'm not talking about babbling. I'm talking about what I call rambling. They ramble all over the country "drifting" a track. What they are really doing is bumping on every rabbit, armadillo, skunk, squirrel, deer, fox, coyote, chipmunk and anything else that lays a track until they find a coon they can tree up a bush. There is no other way besides babbling to explain a dog covering country barking every 50 to 100 yards going in a virtual strait line. Then you watch them working a track for last 100 yards and treed with a coon. Or they fact that they are always struck in fairly close and treed way over there. I could understand not knowing this before the Garmin but it makes it pretty obvious whats happening. The guys hunting them that are doing this know exactly what they are doing but calling them track dogs sure makes it sound better.

Lol, OK; well at least they ain't babbling when they get a short distance away and being called track dogs. That's what they went to breeding to attempting to beat them in competition Hunt's. I am aware what a real track dog sounds like working track. I heard the same thing when I hunted them with them high powered competition dogs years ago because they got last strike if any and still got beat to the tree. I have never seen a walker completely straight without collar work. As far as tar rattler,he was a trackdog. However he was not the best tracking dog I ever seen. Like stated earlier, the owners of these trackdog studs know what happened, some hunters realize the gyp has alot to do with pups as stated above.real tracking dogs were culled with the exception of big game hunting mostly. Mr Kiddy brought it back in coonhounds. Real good track dogs with over powering speed and locating ability are like World Champions, once in a lifetime,mostly. The rest are common place ordinary good dogs,some better than others in certain abilities, some not. The female matters.

Posted by Mike Van Dusen on 11-02-2017 11:40 PM:

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Originally posted by joey
That's a fact Bruce, In my opinion and some might not agree but Rat attack dang near ruined the walker breed. He came along when we didnt need anymore tree power and he put another 200% in. Crossed on the right stuff he did pretty good. Rat on Clover was a good cross. Rat on the foundation whipeout stuff was a good cross, but other than that he set us back 20 years.

Truer words were never spoken,but he got it honest from his sire.......

I have listened to people talk about how they love a treedog,and that is what a lot of people want,then they lie for that dog to you and even themselves saying and sometimes believing "he's got him", when that tree is slick as a ribbon.....

The best Rat bred dog that I ever hunted with was out of a Riverbend line bred female.....he was popeyed, and accurate,hot nosed,but a coon treer, and he would be there the next morning if it took that to get to him,he was a hide dog.He would not fool with a track he could not put a coon at the end.That is rare...

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Posted by John Carroll on 11-03-2017 12:13 AM:

One of the nicest young Walker dogs I hunted with in the early 90's was a son of Rattle Shaker out of a Finley River Dan and Crowding Billy bred female.

He was a well balanced hound with a big mouth that treed real live raccoons.

He was killed by a rattle snake.

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Posted by yadkintar on 11-04-2017 02:02 PM:

I owned 2000 pkc world champion bozz he was out of shaker bozz wasent flashy but could tree coons so cold other dogs did not have a clue super accurate. I had grch Grntch yadkintar Deacon at the same time he was out of Grntch Yadkin tar chief he was out of rattler Deacon was classy and loud and a coon vacum cleaner I have access to the chief seman I think we are going to use it on Fred's Moma.

Ps: granny and bozz both won the Oklahoma state championship.

Posted by edwardfasteddy on 11-04-2017 02:38 PM:

Tracks so COLD he had to blow the dust out of them to run it and all that, Just goes to show ya you can write down or type down anything but, I don't get on here and listen to these guys and then make a decision on what to bred to or what to hunt , nor do I read the ads in the magazines to find out what a dog is like, and I would recommend the youngsters on these board do the same......

Posted by John Carroll on 11-04-2017 02:42 PM:

I have hunted Blue dogs for almost 40 years.

I like them.

I hope I always have them.

But one of the dogs tied up out back at my house is a Wipeout bred Walker female.

She is the kind I like.

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Posted by edwardfasteddy on 11-04-2017 07:52 PM:

Ya Man!

Posted by swamp1 on 11-06-2017 06:34 PM:

And the beat goes on.

Posted by edwardfasteddy on 11-08-2017 08:17 PM:

Hey Tar, YOU ON HERE?

Posted by yadkintar on 11-08-2017 09:15 PM:

When the boss ain't looking lol ! He probly wonders why I am grinning so much lol.

Posted by thomasg on 11-13-2017 04:31 AM:

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Originally posted by jay brademeyer
Michael you need to reread my statement.. there is a pile of grey area in what I stated 😉

from what i have seen the wipe out hounds have no track to them at all . call them track hounds if it makes ya feel better . stuck just out of sight loose barking at nothing is how they operate till they bush wack a coon . could be 1 mile or more before they come heads up with one they can put up . no gray area or wool over my eyes .lol old style track dogs .B.S. . wipe out hounds were breed to open fast and bark enough the 6 couldnt them till they ran across a hot track . try taking a old style track dog to a one hour hunt that trails the first track it comes to and see how many final 4s you make . breed for a *kc that first strike is equal to first tree . swamp 1 try and train a wipe out hound to road hunt and you will see exactly what a new style track dog is .lol cant teach them to rig cause there nose is so good they hardly ever shut up even before ya give them a pill .lol look better in thin coon where ya dont see 10 on the way to the tree on your 1 mile walk . lol

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