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would any of you consider a cross where 1 pup out of that mating made anything a success?

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Originally posted by SoonerBeBlue
would any of you consider a cross where 1 pup out of that mating made anything a success?

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Depends what ya are referring to as a success

If yer litter is 10 pups and one makes nt ch then the ukc system says it was a success ...cuz ya just made 10 percent and thats considered good.....
But if only one will tree a coon id say its terrible....
Interesting question depending what successful definition is i suppose.

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IF I CAN GET 1 EXCEPEPTIONAL PUP OUTA 10 IM TAKING IT THE REST CAN TURN TO DUST AS LONG AS I GOT A NICE ONE TO FOLLOW, CALL ME IGNORANT BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS AND IT BE WHAT IT BELOL

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Originally posted by steeb_63 [/i]
IF I CAN GET 1 EXCEPEPTIONAL PUP OUTA 10 IM TAKING IT THE REST CAN TURN TO DUST AS LONG AS I GOT A NICE ONE TO FOLLOW, CALL ME IGNORANT BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS AND IT BE WHAT IT BELOL [/B][/QUOTE]

Like your thinking here, 10% is not all that bad. Hell I know some that travels the entire country and have 10 to 15 litters on the ground with one or two nite champions that are four or five years old and nothing else to show for it and they have the best stud in the country. I myself will breed four or five descent females and if not anything I wiant to hunt I will get one out of something esle I like, hell that is how we all got a start. I like to coon hunt too much to get blinded. I wish I could get 10% and may others do also I bet! Many are like me and a lot of other coon hunters, dont have the time nor money to travel the country every week to major hunts, even a blind squirrel / pot licker will find an acorn once in a while. Try to get them to people that will hunt them and give them a chance is all we can hope for.

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Seems like people always want to blame the stud dog, the female, the breeder or something else when only a small percent get titled. I feel like I have bred dogs with good to above average ability, pedigrees, and have done my fair share of research but there are a few other things to consider when judging crosses. Not all of the pups will make something no matter how diligent we are with our crosses. Not all pups will get into a hunters hands, no matter what the buyer of the pup is telling you at the time they pick the pup up. Not everyone that hunts can train a pup and some could even ruin a great pup. Not everyone competition hunts or does very little, me included. I've come to this conclusion, if I end up with a pup or two out of a litter, and I don't have any trouble getting it started, can see the ability in it, can see what it would be with consistent hunting, and I don't consider myself a lucky person, then there are other things going on with the other pups that left the house that has nothing to do with the ability that they possessed when they left the house. I have been amazed at some of the story's that I have heard from the owners of some of the pups that I have sold. Here is one, me "How's your pup doing", them "well pretty good but I ran over her with the four wheeler and she just runs loose now on the farm", me " is she crippled up", him "no, she goes hunting and gets treed about every night", me "does she have anything when she trees", him "I don't know, I never go to her". Another guy calls me and says " I don't think my young dog is going to make it because she won't fight a coon or bark at a cage coon", me "how's she doing in the woods", him "doing real good, running and treeing with the other dogs", me "well then what does it matter how well she fights a coon or barks a cage coon". A week later he calls and says "I've figured it out, I'm going to trap a big boar coon and turn it loose in her cage and she will either learn to fight a coon or it will eat her up and make her afraid of one", me "hmmmm". Got two other young dogs back that wouldn't bark at a cage coon, both of them ran and treed with the other dogs on the first drop I took them on and neither guy had hunted these young dogs because they wouldn't bark at a cage coon. That's just a little of what I've heard. Bottom line, don't blame the breeders or the dogs that produced the pups because the majority of the time it's not their fault at all.

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I agree Mr. Smith...and some of your stories are probably the better ones. I have no desire to produce puppies, even just to have a litter and try to sell them local. The average coon hunter seems to not be very intelligent. Most on here don't even know the difference between "sell" and "sale", push a button on the e-collar until the dog finally runs to them and call that "training" and are completely clueless as to what their dog is doing when it chases a track to high ground and slick trees.
You guys that have stuck with trying and most of the time actually improving the breed have my deepest respects and gratitude...as for myself, I have no desire to provide well bred puppies to these people.

THANKYOU BEST EVER IM NOT VERY SMART I JUST LIKE TO HUNT, AND I CANT AFFORD TO BUY ONE SO I MAKE THEM THERE IFFY CROOSSES AND HOPE SOMETHING EVOLVES. HECK LETS BE HONEST I WOULD RAISE ANOTHER 100 TO GET MY ORIGINAL LONESOME BACK OR ENEN TO GET THIS LONESOME II AND ITS JUST BECAUSE THEYRE AS NEAR PERFECTLY WHAT I WANT TO FOLLOW, AND THATS MY PASSION!! SO IM NOT GONNA TRAVEL THE COUNTRY AND BREED THAT HIGH CALIBER WINNER TO A FABRICATED WINNER SO I CAN SELL 300 TO 500 DOLLAR PUPS THAT I SEE VERY FEW OF THAT MAKE IT VERY FAR.EACH AND EVERYONE OF US HAS WINNING STREAKS AND LOSING STREAKS. WATCH HOW IT WORKS? BOTTOM LINE IS IM GONNA CONTINUE TRYING MY ABSOLUTE BEST TO HELP THE BREED WHILE, HUNTING WHAT I CROSS.LAST I CHECKED IT WAS A GIVEN WERE ALL TURNING TO DUST SOME DAY SO EVERYONE SHOULD ENJOY WHAT THEYRE DOING. FOLLOW WHAT THEY LIKE. AND NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS THINKING,YOU WONT GET ANYWHERE WITHOUT TAKING CHANCES.AND YES IM THAT CRAZY NO COLLEGE HILL BILLY THAT AINT GOT A CLUE LOL JMO.

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2019 ILLINOIS STATE CHAMPION
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2019 AUTUMN OAKS NATL GRNITECH OF BREED
2019 ZONE 3 HIGH SCORING DOG
2019 WORLD CH TOP 100
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2019 FALL ROUND UP KING OF THE HUNT.
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2020 WINTER CLASSIC SAT. 4TH PLACE CHAMPION DIVISION
2020 WORLD QUALIIFIED
2020 NATIONAL BLUETICK DAYS INVITATIONAL HUNT WINNER
2020 NATIONAL BLUETICK DAYS DOUBLE CAST WINNER 3RD PLACE GRNITECH FRI AND 4TH PLACE GRNITECH SAT
2020 Natl english days high scoring dog overall fri 1rst place grnitech sat 3rd place grnitech.
2021 invitational hunt winner
2021 natl bluetick days 9th place RQE winner
T0C Top 64 winner

ALSO HOME OF
PR Stebers Lil Blue Krayzee[dual grand penny x grnitech krypt]
nitech Stebers Big Ole Slick
NITECH STEBERS MIGHTY LONESOME 3 AKA CASH[7 wins towards grnitech
Stebers Mighty Blue Bell
Stebers 5 Gen
Stebers Pure Country
Stebers Shining Diamond
Stebers Lonesome Sue
Stebers Mighty Blue Patsy
Stebers Ole Blue Betty
Stebers Lil Blue Krayzee II
AND SEVERAL YOUNG ONES IN THE MIX

The future

This will be interesting to look back on in about 10 years just to see if the breed has improved any. Enjoying this post but also really got me scratching my noggin. Had my choices narrowed down to 3 and now it's back up to around 250 lol.

I really don't see the breed improving leaps and bounds. Coon hunter numbers are declining. Hard hunters have declined. Number of hounds getting hunted have declined. The gene pool may narrow to a few top hounds and improve the breed is the only way I see the breed improving.

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Originally posted by BEST EVER
There was only one Blue Hound that I know had over a 100 pups and was 18% or Better and not very many took advantage of him. Cliques, oh yea! Lot a good hounds never get breed because they breed to their buddies hound. Some have 10 to 15 litters or more and really nothing to show for it and yet they are still breeding them. Did this Blue Dog make the Hall of Fame, no and why not? CLIQUES !

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Mackie Mann's Wild and Blue Pounder 19.63%, still # 1 on Historical Reproducers Listing. B@D Blue Spike is # 2 at 16.67% and still on the list as well.

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yes Sir that is silly that more people didn't breed to them.

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I like Pounder and Spike's percentages. 6 Again did not live long enough to sire the necessary 100 pups to get on the list so most of you won't give much credence to his 20.37%. Jet 10 only sired 12 pups so what ever percentage he ends up or how high it is will not matter to but a few folks like Ed Mead and I. Best of luck, good hunting and keep thinking-it's worth it and a lot more fun.

I often liked to think what kind of numbers Sexton Jimmy 1 would of had, had he lived longer.

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Pounder 270 pups and B&D's Blue Spike 258 pups.

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Originally posted by cwbluebio
I like Pounder and Spike's percentages. 6 Again did not live long enough to sire the necessary 100 pups to get on the list so most of you won't give much credence to his 20.37%. Jet 10 only sired 12 pups so what ever percentage he ends up or how high it is will not matter to but a few folks like Ed Mead and I. Best of luck, good hunting and keep thinking-it's worth it and a lot more fun.

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Originally posted by Ricochet17
I often liked to think what kind of numbers Sexton Jimmy 1 would of had, had he lived longer.

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Breeding

Todd I have a Piazon / Alice hound your welcome to breed to no charge . He's a decent hound with a lot of good blood behind him.yulee Florida not too far away.crap shoot any way you go . Wayne

Dave dean said it himself.....he got tired of being beat by walkers so he started breeding to beat them!!

I think a lot more should be following suite.....

It don't matter what kinda,what style or color anybody likes but to be on top of the game you gotta breed for it!

I've never met a person that don't want to win or don't want the best.....but I've met many many people who want it all but don't wanna work for any of it.....or that think the allready got it all so don't gotta work to improve.....

Not one person on hear has the world ch bluetick so I don't see how anybody on hear has the answers.....is winning the world what it's all about? NOPE!!!!!! But winning seems to be coming up in this post a lot and I'm guessing most ain't just talking little hunts....

The reproducers list don't prove it all out but if you do your homework with the dogs on there and look at there pedigrees and see who's on there and who's past sires and dams are or have been on there might be a good start.....maybe find reproducing abilitys and work towards breeding the style of dog you want and like and the rest should fall in place unless your looking to breed for idiots that struggle to tree Coons...stand on there head,hunt jealously and ain't worth a ****.....
Just because ol so and so was only bred very little and his numbers seem great there percentages mean nothing!!!!!! There's a reason a male needs100 pups........nothing says a dog with 2litters with good results will produce high percentages beyond a female or 2.....getting 100 pups on the ground proves much more than just having 100 pups......it shows the percentage with being bred to MULTIPLE females!!!!!!being a reproducer is much more than just being capable of reproducing more pups on the ground....or just reproducing a couple pups that the owner of the sire and dam can title.....

I'm no breeder and never want to be at all but it seems theres a lot of common sense left at the back door regularly when it comes to breeding these dogs!
I personally heard Dave dean say if you ain't beating the walkers you gotta breed to beat them......unfourtanantly not many followed his thaughts!

"A few pups means nothing!!!!!!"-this statement is as false as it is true. "I,m no breeder." is most likely a true statement. Based on this train of thought, if it can be classified as such, a hound from a stud that only sired a couple of litters and finished out by the owner of the stud or the dam, should not and could not be trusted to reproduce.

As difficult a concept as this will be for you to grasp, I hope you are not chewing gum while you have someone read this and explain it to you, a dog's ability to reproduce it's likeness is not determined by how many pups or litters the stud sired. Nor is it even determined by whether the stud was ever even in the woods-gasp, ah sacrilege. Do I recommend this-no. Numbers, the more the better do reveal patterns and are tools to help in our selection process. Use everything you can to aid you in your quest to breed a good or better winner at treeing coons up to and including the World. Set your goals high and never be satisfied but by all means enjoy yourself. I am.

i got a good english blue dog yall can breed too . seems like to me the blue dogs have lost a few steps as a stand alone breed . lol

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Originally posted by cwbluebio
. Use everything you can to aid you in your quest to breed a good or better winner at treeing coons up to and including the World. Set your goals high and never be satisfied but by all means enjoy yourself. I am.

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