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Originally posted by J I Allen
Jim, if you want to minus the dog that comes into the tree after the tree is closed and the judge is there, are you going to plus the points if a coon is seen for that same dog? You can't have it both ways, if you're going to minus then you need to plus the points.

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Originally posted by JiM
How could you plus points for a dog that was never declared treed?
It's not at all "having it both ways", its only one way, you get there late, you take minus on your strike.

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I guess that some people think a dog should just "make" a tree if they can't move a track.

Then if another dog can't move the track on and comes in to see what all the commotion is about that dog's strike should be minused because it would rather have a coon when it trees.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I guess that some people think a dog should just "make" a tree if they can't move a track.

Then if another dog can't move the track on and comes in to see what all the commotion is about that dog's strike should be minused because it would rather have a coon when it trees.

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Isn't that why a dog comes into a slick or "circle" tree after you arrive? They don't "drop their track". When they are unable to go any farther, they only have 4 choices. Either make a tree, go find another track, come into the tree that another dog has made or spend the rest of the night grubbing the track that they are on. I have been in a lot of hunts where I wished my dog would just come in to a tree that another dog had "made".

Does it matter why a dog comes into a closed tree? Not to me it doesn't. I don't wonder why and I don't care why they came in. All that matters is that they aren't suppose to and if they do, that's a fault.

I need to keep in mind that there may be a vast difference between where you hunt and where I hunt. Around here, there is always another track out there. Go find it. Don't come running into something that is already done and over with.

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Y'all want and teach your dogs to go on. We want and teach our dogs to finish the track that they are on. In the North there is always another track. Down here it is usually the only track.
It matters to me a bunch why a dog comes into a closed tree.

He never said dog barked at tree

Only came in.

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In another post he said he barked.

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Originally posted by Charles Pullen
Key word is " comes in " meaning he's not there before the judge arrives . He's deleted !!!!

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Y'all want and teach your dogs to go on. We want and teach our dogs to finish the track that they are on. In the North there is always another track. Down here it is usually the only track.

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Originally posted by B Thompson
In UKC strike points are circled not deleted

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the reason you fellows are havin a difference of opinion is more than likely the difference in your tolerance for a dog treeing slick or backing a dog that trees slick. or as some call um circle trees. lol

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Richard if the cast is at the tree 5 mins ahead of my dog I've got bigger fish to fry........If its not the same track he needs to close his big ears and go finish his track.....

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None of that matters the least bit just as it matters not whether the tree is slick, circled or plussed. Getting there 5 minutes or more after the first dog trees is a fault. Everything else is just an excuse..

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
What if he was on the same track and treed but it got too rough for him?

What if the dogs were standing on their heads on a cold bad track and one of them pulled up short and your dog tried to trail on but couldnt?

What if your dog was on another cold bad track but couldn't do anything with it so he came in to see what was going on?

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
It all goes back to knowing why your dog came in.
What if he was on the same track and treed but it got too rough for him?

What if the dogs were standing on their heads on a cold bad track and one of them pulled up short and your dog tried to trail on but couldnt?

What if your dog was on another cold bad track but couldn't do anything with it so he came in to see what was going on?

A lot of times in the South, there isn't another track within a mile for a dog to go find.

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My dog knows to check his watch and if he can't be there before the 5 is up to go look elsewhere or wait till they cut loose again...now if he gets there before the 5 is up he knows to ask the rest of the dogs what they are treeing, if they say a coon then he ask if they are sure they got him ....if they are not real sure he go's and hangs out about 75 yards away and waits for a recast.....heck of a dog, one more cast win and he's a grand night......

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
It all goes back to knowing why your dog came in.
What if he was on the same track and treed but it got too rough for him?

What if the dogs were standing on their heads on a cold bad track and one of them pulled up short and your dog tried to trail on but couldnt?

What if your dog was on another cold bad track but couldn't do anything with it so he came in to see what was going on?

A lot of times in the South, there isn't another track within a mile for a dog to go find.

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Than you need a different dog. In all three cases

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