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Posted by Ryan Karl on 09-25-2016 10:04 PM:

For everyone saying they should use a lie detector test. It is proven to not work 100% of the time. So no they should not use something that is proven to fail.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 09-25-2016 10:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by WalkerPower21
There's been a cast member on here!!

Up to you to figure it out... that member is a straight forward laid back hones guy.. he knows he got screwed but it's over an done with now!!

Was his dog under a possum that night?

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Posted by Levi Hawk on 09-25-2016 10:32 PM:

Nightshift, are you buddies with the non hunting judge?

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Posted by dustin84 on 09-25-2016 10:39 PM:

Gadawg what you said is exactly right it's all here say only the people on that cast knew exactly what happened and if that is what happened my opinion the judge needs to borrowed for life from ukc and set an example saying if your caught doing these things you're gonna go bottom line what's done is done nothing is going to change what happened it happens all the time it stinks when your on the bad end of it but it happens at small hunts bigs hunts and here the world hunt until something is done it will continue

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Posted by Night Shift on 09-25-2016 10:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Levi Hawk
Nightshift, are you buddies with the non hunting judge?

No I just understand the rules. This is a waste of time if the handlers would of done there job then maybe we have a discussion. The fact is they didn't probably because they didn't want there dog scratched. It's funny one cast member was on here and told another one of the cast members not to question it. His dog was under that opossum/coon must not of wanted his scratched.

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Posted by WalkerPower21 on 09-25-2016 10:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Levi Hawk
Nightshift, are you buddies with the non hunting judge?


I was wondering the SAME thing...

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Posted by Levi Hawk on 09-25-2016 10:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Night Shift
No I just understand the rules.
The fact is they didn't probably because they didn't want there dog scratched.


Being pretty critical and backing the judge when you're assuming as well. Pretty tough to question a non hunting judge and win.

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Posted by WalkerPower21 on 09-25-2016 10:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Night Shift
No I just understand the rules. This is a waste of time if the handlers would of done there job then maybe we have a discussion. The fact is they didn't probably because they didn't want there dog scratched. It's funny one cast member was on here and told another one of the cast members not to question it. His dog was under that opossum/coon must not of wanted his scratched.


Curious who that was since you know ?

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Posted by Josh Michaelis on 09-25-2016 10:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Night Shift
I have a problem with people running this Judge through the ringer when he may have seen a coon. I wasn't there and I'm not going to start judging someone's character when I wasn't there. But the rest of you guys can trash this poor guy I'll go by his decision until it was proven wrong. I'm not the problem crying losers are.


Considering the likelihood of coons being in the same tree as a possum twice in the same night, either the Judge is a liar, or the other 3 handlers and the guide are liars.

Because there is no friggin way that dog treed a coon and a possum in the same tree twice in the same night.

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Posted by brujan182 on 09-25-2016 11:05 PM:

Possum

I've hunted as many night per year as at least 80% of the people on here. That's for almost 50 years. One time in my life have I treed a coon and a possum in the same tree. I don't know what happened, I wasn't there. But I'm sure they didn't tree a coon and possum in the same tree twice!

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Posted by fullhouse on 09-25-2016 11:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Considering the likelihood of coons being in the same tree as a possum twice in the same night, either the Judge is a liar, or the other 3 handlers and the guide are liars.

Because there is no friggin way that dog treed a coon and a possum in the same tree twice in the same night.



If not even just the unlikely hood that it happen, its the fact that the judges eyes are so much better then the rest of the cast twice in one night.


Posted by JiM on 09-25-2016 11:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Considering the likelihood of coons being in the same tree as a possum twice in the same night, either the Judge is a liar, or the other 3 handlers and the guide are liars.

Because there is no friggin way that dog treed a coon and a possum in the same tree twice in the same night.



There's really nothing to say beyond that right there.

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Posted by Donnie Stevens on 09-25-2016 11:47 PM:

Like I said on another thread that apparently got yanked in the OUTSIDE chance it would ever happen as the judge I'm gonna make **** sure that the coon is seen by all

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Posted by yadkintar on 09-25-2016 11:53 PM:

What if there was one possum low and the one 100 ft up was anouther possum that high up its possible 4 possums treed and nobody scratched ?


Posted by high ridge on 09-25-2016 11:55 PM:

It's also possible Sasquatch does exist but chances are slim. Lol

This subject might as well be muted. Nothing can happen now. It's over. We going south for 2017 it looks like.

Congrats Sue

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-26-2016 12:06 AM:

Not much that UKC can do immediately but I bet that Mr Gingerich will be very busy this week making phone calls and trying to find out exactly what did happen. They have been pretty good lately about looking into different "situations" and trying to come up with solutions. I don't really see anything that they could do to resolve this "situation" as long as the judge sticks to his story.
The only good that could come from all of the controversy is if a solution to the problem of non hunting judges having complete and total authority over a cast. Maybe some that are smarter than me can offer suggestions for a long term solution.


Posted by yadkintar on 09-26-2016 12:08 AM:

Yep your right it's over sue did her job the whole way and won it fair and square with no controversy she's the champ like I have said before if it's and buts was candy and nuts we all would have a wonderfull Christmas congradualations team sue !! Have a panel Richard If need be they can mark the tree and the panel can go back then sombody gets a vacation or it improves their eyesight lol!


Posted by WalkerPower21 on 09-26-2016 12:17 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
What if there was one possum low and the one 100 ft up was anouther possum that high up its possible 4 possums treed and nobody scratched ?


Touche`

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Posted by novicane65 on 09-26-2016 12:49 AM:

I guess I don't understand why ukc doesn't have a panel to look I to certain situations like this. The other kc all's you have to do is pay a fee for the panel to go look at the circle tree or slick tree.

Only problem is if there was a Coon but it got down or vice versa with the opossum. Then you'd be paying $$$ for nothing.


Posted by jackbob42 on 09-26-2016 12:52 AM:

If someone would have put a ? on the card , at least one cast member would still have his integrity.
With nobody questioning the call , now none of them have it as far as I'm concerned.
If they all let it go the first time , how do you know who to believe the second time ?

That's what happens , even at the small hunts , when you let one slide.

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Posted by yadkinriver on 09-26-2016 01:07 AM:

It's apparent not many of you have ever hunted the world hunt. haha


Posted by Mark V. on 09-26-2016 01:10 AM:

IF a ? would have been on the card Could UKC have done anything( afterall this guy was a hand picked judge, they wouldn't have went against him without 100%proof) With our new poligraph test that would be the proof we need to correct the next issue that we have. I am not tring to make this right for this cast , its the next cast that I would like to help. I had the same thing happen to me with a non hunting judge on the final 4 cast except he could't see mine. but that is way past now. What I am saying it happened to me and them and some of you so its not fixing its self now is it.


Posted by strauser on 09-26-2016 01:12 AM:

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quote:
Originally posted by MR.RATMAN
I don't think it matters who treed it or backed a dog up on it if dogs were under a grinner with no coon they should be scratched bottom line....don't see invisible coon just to keep the hunt going...... Night shift if you don't see a problem with that well then its people like you killing this sport and sportsmanship


You mention the word "sportsmanship" in 80% of the casts I've been on it doesn't exist, seems there is always 1 guy that want to bully everyone to vote his way or cheat his way out, whatever happened to the days when your dog looks like crap you call it that way or withdraw, more hunts have been won on a scorecard than with an honest dog. As for putting a ? on the card I'm sure that by the time the cast made their 4 hour round trip to the MOH and back to the woods the deadline would be up.

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Posted by ridgerunner1 on 09-26-2016 01:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Considering the likelihood of coons being in the same tree as a possum twice in the same night, either the Judge is a liar, or the other 3 handlers and the guide are liars.

Because there is no friggin way that dog treed a coon and a possum in the same tree twice in the same night.



Best post on this thread..and they expect the rest of the coonhunting world to believe this actually happend much less happend twice in one night..


Posted by Night Shift on 09-26-2016 01:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by WalkerPower21
Curious who that was since you know ?

Sent you a pm

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