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Posted by ahallada on 06-07-2016 08:52 PM:

Re: Allen

quote:
Originally posted by Corey/UKC
What was Timber Jack like as far as tracking ability?

He wasn't much to brag about as a track dog until he got 5-6 years of age. It's like a light switch was turned on. He was hunted by Max Hunter and Roger Gibson between 2-3 years of age in Virginia and Alabama. Roger said that after a few weeks in Bama, he was able to hang with the best down there in the swamps and had a big heart. He was laid up for a year from 3-4 when he was treated for heartworms. I was in Veterinary School when I bought him at 4 so he really didn't get pushed hard except in the summer months in 1988. I ran him on the Purina circuit that year and put on over 30k miles that summer. He was a coon treer but definitely not a great track dog at that point in his life. He was winning his cast but not racking up big points to place high enough to place in Purina Points back then. You didn't get Purina Points by just winning your cast back then, you had to place in Gr.Nt.and Nt.Ch to get points. He was really fast though and ran to catch. He's one dog I never had come back to me or stand around and not hunt. He and his daughter Mace had the most drive and heart of any of the dogs I hunted. Back then we were hunting 3 hour hunts and he was known for closing the deal at the end of the hunt by getting one coon away from the pack. We had a lot of guys that were impressed with his size / legs at Walker Days and we would always get that old saying " He's a Walker Dog in a Redbone's coat" and he don't hunt like no Redbone, he hunts like a Walker dog. lol

1988 was a drought year and it was hard on most dogs including him. I hunted with my buddies along the WI River that summer which is where the coon were at that time and he was really impressive in thick coon. It was so dry that you could walk across the WI River which was about 50 yards wide in some spots. When I cut him loose near my house up on the dry hill tops he would get out of range of my tracking system most of the time and it wasn't uncommon to drive 5 miles to find him treed. He had a lot of heart and drive, but not a great track dog in those conditions.

In 1989, when TJ was 5, Bill Wallock hurt his wrist at his job and had to stay out of work for 6 months. All he did was hunt TJ almost every night. He became a coon treeing machine and could run tracks away from other dogs that they couldn't even smell. Ask Russ Downing cause he hunted his Toad dog two nights in a row against him at a big hunt and we drew and beat Spare Time Spanky at least twice as well. When I hunted with him I couldn't believe it was the same dog. He won every hunt Bill put him in that year including 1st at an RQE with 120 dogs entered in MN, MI State Hunt, WI State Hunt, Red , White And Blue Hunt, 2 Redbone Sectionals, and Plymouth Benefit Hunt. His average score was between 600- 800 points and went over 1000 points in 3 of them. He became a legit World Hunt contender and beat two of the best Walker dogs in the country at that time,World Ch. Pac Man and World Ch. Bama, to make it to the finals of the World Hunt. He was one of the favors at UKC to win it all that year. I'd say that Curly dog of Ed Meads was about the only one that year that could have given us a hard time but as luck would have it we drew out together on a really windy night in MO and lost the dogs during time out and got scratched.

As far as natural tracking ability I'd put his mom , Cane Spring Dawn, way up on the scale of legit cold nose track dogs of that era. I saw her move tracks that really good dogs couldn't smell and she did it almost every night. Guy Dehyne was a big name bluetick hunter in WI at that time and he used her for training his blue dogs. He absolutely loved her. He wouldn't give her back to Bill. lol Moon also impressed me at a year of age driving tracks away from good dogs. He was the most impressive natural track dog of all time and I know Alton Key would agree with me on that one. I heard that his uncle Chance owned by John Graves was that style of natural track dog as well. Harold Hartely told me many stories about what a great cold nose track dog Chance was and how he made Jessie and Billy Jo look silly some nights. He was a littermate to Outlaw Jessie and Outlaw Billy Jo.

I talked to Bill Wallock last summer and he said that Too the Max was also that style of track dog when he got older. I thought he peaked early at around 2-3 years old but from what Bill told me he kicked it in another gear when he hit 8 years old. lol Maybe Joe Maitland can give us his thoughts on him.

I raised Max from a pup until he was about a year old. He was the most natural tree dog I've ever raised but I didn't get to see much of his natural tracking abilities until he was about 2-3 years old. He was a track driving machine but I don't think he had the cold nose Moon had at that young age. I'd say Max was more of what I liked in a dog though, and more like his daddy Timber Jack in the types of tracks he took. He was a SS hunters dream at 2 years old. Max was a split treeing machine and jealous independent type, more than any of the dogs including TJ. Alger Morgan drew Max at Redbone Days the year he won and he was wanting one just like him. Said he was about as fast on track as any he's hunted. He was a great pressure tree dog too.

I also think these Redbones just get better with age. The Burning Ben dog we got from Roger Shabel and Donny Miller was really not that great of a track dog until he was 5-6 years old. Ben was a catch dog and caught more coon on the ground of any of the dogs we had up here. He ran silent when hunted by himself like his mom Betsy, but when hunted in competition he was a legit first strike dog. He was a skunk dog too. I think Bill had the market cornered on Skunk Off Spray when he had him there. Roger Gibson said his mom Millers Red Betsy was the same way and ran silent when hunted alone and was a fast strike dog in competition. She was one of the better dogs of that era too. Betsy was a daughter of Ramblin Red Ace.

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PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Cat Scratch Fever
(Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Aftershock x Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Breanna)
2016 Finished to PKC Ch. in one week!

Dual Grand Champion CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Glissens JJ Jr. x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Billy Jean)
4 Generations of All Grand Nite Champions!
Timber Jack 3X and Timber Chopper over 30X
2019 Southern National Redbone Days Champion
2016 National Grand Nite Champion Redbone
2016 CHKC Redbone Days Champion
2016 PKC Super Stakes Reserve Champion
2016 CHKC Elite Shootout Winner - Texas
CHKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

Bodacious
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Gr.Ch.PKC. Gold Ch.CHKC CH. Outlaw G-Man x Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. Classy Cali)

Past:
Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch. Dawns Timber Jack
1988 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
1989 UKC World Champion Redbone
1989 Purina Outstanding Redbone Coonhound
#2 Historic Redbone Sire/ Top 20 All Breeds
American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame

Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners

Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. PKC Gold Ch. Layton's Classy Cali
2012 UKC World Champion Redbone and 7th Place Overall
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 UKC World Champion Redbone Female
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - Goodsprings, AL
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
2016 PKC Redbone Breed Race Winner
PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner

Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Brandy II)

Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Jenkins Crying Katie)
1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate)
1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack X Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle)
Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
(Direct Daughter of Gr.Nt.Ch.Smokey Mountain Brandy)
1990 Autumn Oaks Best of Show Winner
1988 Indiana State Champion

Posted by sox12 on 06-08-2016 02:58 PM:

Richard Ripsaw and Toadie are direct off of CD and are good track dogs.I think Rip is a quicker strike then Toadie, My tinkerbell is off of Raged Ridge Ripsaw and Raged Ridge Toadie and she is a quick strike and good tree dog.

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CH Nt. Ch.PR Wandering Red & RR Bucksaw (GRCHGRNTCH Raged Ridge Rip X Grand Nite Raged Ridge Toadie )
GRNTCH.GRCh.PR Steffes' Whizz Bang[GRNTCH Big Walnut BooneXGRNTCH Raged Ridge Toadie]
GRCH.Wandering Red Pepper
GRCH.Wandering Red Honeys Sweety Pie

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GR.NT.CH.GR.CH.PR Steffes wandering Red Tinkerbell {GRCHGRNTCH Raged Ridge RipsawXGRNTCH Ragged Ridge Toadie]

Posted by okreddog56 on 06-08-2016 06:22 PM:

WHEN YOU HUNT IN THIN COON COUNTRY,YOU FIND OUT WHAT A TRACK DOG IS,A DOG THAT SHOWS YOU COON NIGHT AFTER NIGHT IS A TRACK DOG,A DOG THAT SHOWS COON 1 NIGHT AND THEN THE NEXT 3 OR 4 NIGHTS SHOWS YOU SLICK TREES IS NOT A TRACK DOG HE IS JUST A TREEDOG AND I SEE NO FUN IN WALKING TO A SLICK TREE IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER AND IT IS NOT GOING TO WIN YOU ANYTHING WHEN A TRACKDOG TREES A COON IN YOUR CAST.

Posted by wbond on 06-08-2016 11:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by okreddog56
WHEN YOU HUNT IN THIN COON COUNTRY,YOU FIND OUT WHAT A TRACK DOG IS,A DOG THAT SHOWS YOU COON NIGHT AFTER NIGHT IS A TRACK DOG,A DOG THAT SHOWS COON 1 NIGHT AND THEN THE NEXT 3 OR 4 NIGHTS SHOWS YOU SLICK TREES IS NOT A TRACK DOG HE IS JUST A TREEDOG AND I SEE NO FUN IN WALKING TO A SLICK TREE IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER AND IT IS NOT GOING TO WIN YOU ANYTHING WHEN A TRACKDOG TREES A COON IN YOUR CAST.

Me neither I am not climbing these mountains just to look up a slick tree or following a babbling idiot and I have no use for deep and lonely a solid balanced hound works for me with brains and the sense to handle

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Posted by ahallada on 06-09-2016 06:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by okreddog56
WHEN YOU HUNT IN THIN COON COUNTRY,YOU FIND OUT WHAT A TRACK DOG IS,A DOG THAT SHOWS YOU COON NIGHT AFTER NIGHT IS A TRACK DOG,A DOG THAT SHOWS COON 1 NIGHT AND THEN THE NEXT 3 OR 4 NIGHTS SHOWS YOU SLICK TREES IS NOT A TRACK DOG HE IS JUST A TREEDOG AND I SEE NO FUN IN WALKING TO A SLICK TREE IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER AND IT IS NOT GOING TO WIN YOU ANYTHING WHEN A TRACKDOG TREES A COON IN YOUR CAST.

I hear what you are saying, but I'll stick with my tree shoppers. I got one now that I would put up against any dog in the country in thin coon and bad conditions and she sure isn't the worlds best track dog by any means and she don't have an amazing nose. What she is though is a coon tree'er. She hunts fast and she has an amazing ability to find coon up those trees. In fact her handler just told me two weeks ago, that out of about 60 trees, she's only come up short 2 times and had a few den trees. She's exceptionally accurate for any breed of dog. I'd say a good tree shopper is your best bet in thin coon and bad conditions. A track dog will show you more den trees but a tighter mouthed tree shopping meat dog will show you more coon. That Brandy II female was the same way but she had a better nose than Cali. She could find coon in those trees that most dogs couldn't even smell. They are what I call freaks. It's a combination of brains, nose, drive, lay up ability, , coon sense, and heart. I don't know where these type of dogs got that ability from, but I know they have one dog in common in their bloodlines, ole Timber Chopper. According to Mr. PKC, Jarvis Umphers, that was one coon treeing machine.

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