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Posted by shane_atchison on 03-17-2016 03:58 PM:

Re: acceptable accuracy?

quote:
Originally posted by cain99
i am not one to keep track of accuracy. I usually don't have to because I count on mine to hqve coons every time I cut her loose. if i own one & it trees, it is going to be heavy on the "have em" when I get there. If my dog slicks it is not going to repetively do it, he is going to get a stompin and I expect it to be right in a short period of time after that if it does pull short every now and again...

But most of you don't keep track of this sort of things, neither do I..
accuracy nowadays is something hard to find, you can't beat accuracy or track driving ability into a dog. I don't average things up but when mine trees it has real wild live coons

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Posted by cain99 on 03-17-2016 04:42 PM:

Slick, banging around on the ground too much, making any mistake i am on their rear end bud. common sense..

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Posted by jackbob42 on 03-18-2016 01:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cain99
Slick, banging around on the ground too much, making any mistake i am on their rear end bud. common sense..


In one breath you say that if your dog slicks , he's going to get a stomping.
And then in the next , you say you can't beat accuracy into a dog.

That don't make any kind of sense at all. Especially Common ! LOL

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Posted by ringtail on 03-18-2016 02:39 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
In one breath you say that if your dog slicks , he's going to get a stomping.
And then in the next , you say you can't beat accuracy into a dog.

That don't make any kind of sense at all. Especially Common ! LOL



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Posted by shadinc on 03-18-2016 02:42 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
In one breath you say that if your dog slicks , he's going to get a stomping.
And then in the next , you say you can't beat accuracy into a dog.

That don't make any kind of sense at all. Especially Common ! LOL

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Posted by Bayin'Blues on 03-18-2016 03:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by shane_atchison
3 Might have been slick lol


Might have or might not? lol that's why they're called circles

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Posted by shadinc on 03-18-2016 02:26 PM:

I never kept statistics on accuracy but, I do know when I'm enjoying hunting and when I'm not.


Posted by V. Cannon on 03-18-2016 03:22 PM:

I have a question. If you have a trained dog that has such poor tracking ability that it's only 60 percent accurate would you prefer it to run deer on the 40 percent of tracks that it fails to tree a coon on?
Personally I would rather it run fast game than be so sorry it can't tree a coon on 40 percent of its tracks he runs, at least on deer I don't have to walk to him. Guys a slick tree dog is just a sorry dog that's not able to tree coon.


Posted by shane_atchison on 03-18-2016 03:59 PM:

The best tracking dog alive can have 6 coon a couple dens and a couple circles here in the mountains on frozen ground during the rut in January. Would you want it to run some deer? Many a world champion coonhound treed 60% or less on the way to its title.

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Posted by Blue Iron on 03-18-2016 07:15 PM:

It still baffles me how folks will count an unshineable tree against a dog. Also it baffles me how anyone would count an unshineable tree FOR the dog. The only logical way is to take the legitimately unshineable trees out of the equation.

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Posted by RLenhart on 03-18-2016 07:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blue Iron
It still baffles me how folks will count an unshineable tree against a dog. Also it baffles me how anyone would count an unshineable tree FOR the dog. The only logical way is to take the legitimately unshineable trees out of the equation.

I understand what your saying, it sure does hurt when you have to count an "unshineable" tree against a good dog and that's probably why allot of people are not honest when they keep a record on their dog, BUT that's really the only way it can work. If you just delete all the trees that you "think" are unshineable then you'd be giving a dog that slicks an unfair break on empty trees. If everybody keeps records the exact same way then that would give you an honest comparison. The only thing I WILL say is if everybody really is holding honest den trees against the dog then I don't even want to hear this 85-90% accurate crap because that dog just isn't out there in my opinion but if you can honestly say in a years time "counting den trees against the dog" you still have let's say a 70% accurate dog then I would say you have a pretty good dog there.


Posted by shane_atchison on 03-18-2016 08:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blue Iron
It still baffles me how folks will count an unshineable tree against a dog. Also it baffles me how anyone would count an unshineable tree FOR the dog. The only logical way is to take the legitimately unshineable trees out of the equation.
A dog makes 2 kinds of trees= 1. A coon is seen and can be counted 2. No coon is seen and cannot. Its America a person can tweak the #s however they please. I had a dog only slick 7 trees outta 100 once, I could've thrown out the 23 unshinable dens, holes, dence foliage and brush piles and said he was 93% but that would've been inaccurate and I'm big on things being accurate.

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Posted by OzarkLiven on 03-18-2016 10:49 PM:

There is coon on one a bucket feeders that between me and my uncle we have ran into dozer deck prob 8 or 10 times on long races sometimes. People can't tell me a coon don't learn to use a den as refuge over and over. I live in southern Mo and we have lots den trees. I see lot nice hounds that will show you a coon or a den and very very few slick trees. I think if coon on outside it will be found 19 out 20 times. But I think when you have lot dens they hold higher percentage of coon than people think. And there is my 2 cents worth.

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Posted by Randy Howard on 03-18-2016 10:55 PM:

Accurate is when you walk to the tree expecting to see a coon. An old 72 yr old buddy I take coon hunting once in awhile always asked me if he's got him? Now I try and get the jump on him ask the same thing, and he says, you know he does. LOL But if he ever misses, we look at each other all puzzled and confused scratching our heads and say that's odd, what just happened here? LOL

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Posted by blueticker on 03-19-2016 06:03 AM:

A must for me is a decent track dog. I probably sell a young dog too quick if I feel there not going to be good track dogs. I believe the better track dog will tree fewer slick trees. A good track dog doesn't have to be lighting quick just fast on hot tracks and steady on working tracks. The accurate locators will not be the pen crazy barkers with a low I Q.

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 03-20-2016 01:22 AM:

Good thread with good reading of quite a variety of answers. A prime example of any human quoted accuracy percentage having about as much use as teats on a boar hog

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Posted by yadkintar on 03-20-2016 01:34 AM:

Mines 50 percent either she's got a coon or she don't.


Posted by ringtail on 03-20-2016 04:49 PM:

Acceptable accuracy?

Is when you have a hard time remembering the last time you checked a slick tree.

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Posted by JiM on 03-20-2016 06:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Good thread with good reading of quite a variety of answers. A prime example of any human quoted accuracy percentage having about as much use as teats on a boar hog
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Posted by Darrell Eads on 03-20-2016 09:06 PM:

Re: Acceptable accuracy?

quote:
Originally posted by ringtail
Is when you have a hard time remembering the last time you checked a slick tree.



Best response on here ,,,

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Posted by shane_atchison on 03-21-2016 05:25 AM:

acceptable accuracy

20% slick. I will tolerate more during the rut or when a burn ban is on, but expect 20% or less yearly. 100 trees minimum sample size. I'd estimate a dog that shows only 20% slick has the coon in 60% or better of their dens/circle trees.

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Posted by blueticker on 03-21-2016 07:04 AM:

I mainly hunt ditches & big creeks. A hound has swimming water to deal with on most tracks on the creeks. Treeing coon isn't as simple as some is led to believe. The degree of difficulty certainly has a correlation to accuracy. Swamps with swimming water for hundreds of yards would seem extremely difficult to me. Bluffs or 30 ft high straight off banks etc.. would be tough on accuracy. Environment certainly will effect accuracy.

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Posted by deepsouthkennels86 on 03-21-2016 08:29 PM:

I personally think when a dog trees u should see a coon no matter what kinda ground u hunt I get it takes a better dog to tree I coon in harder conditions but if they can't tree it they shouldn't run it

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Posted by deepsouthkennels86 on 03-21-2016 08:29 PM:

I personally think when a dog trees u should see a coon no matter what kinda ground u hunt I get it takes a better dog to tree I coon in harder conditions but if they can't tree it they shouldn't run it

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Posted by Bayin'Blues on 03-22-2016 01:24 AM:

still at 50%

made 4 trees last night and had two trees with coon and two that I couldn't find one in.. He's at 5 for 10 in two hunts...

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