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Posted by jerhovt on 09-23-2015 05:12 PM:

Thanks Hersh
The dry heat dont seem to bother them its the humidity this year was the worst I can remember for humidity. I agree with the drive factor for sure thats why I started looking so far ahead If we cant find what we are looking for in a smaller male for hunt style and drive there is a few larger ones I like. These bigger dogs have no problem runnin and makin trees the drive is there they dont tree as hard as Id like in the heat. These are small silly reasons but if I can fix it I will just what I would like in a dog but I do want winners so maybe I cant fix it who knows but Im gonna try. If it doesnt work theres always the future. I think if we do enough homework we can pull it off.

Thank you all again
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Posted by jerhovt on 09-23-2015 05:15 PM:

-Hersh-
Also Id love to come hunt with you sometime your not to far from me its almost a straight shot only a couple diffrent highways to get there.

Posted by HERSHSHUNTIN on 09-23-2015 05:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jerhovt
-Hersh-
Also Id love to come hunt with you sometime your not to far from me its almost a straight shot only a couple diffrent highways to get there.

my personal drive is lacking some now a days, lol, could be what I call old age.

I would much rather have a dog with brains to slow down on the tree, in hot weather, but stay than one that will hammer a tree and have a heat stroke or just be worn out after a tree or two. again its just my preference.

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Posted by jerhovt on 09-23-2015 06:30 PM:

-Hersh-
You know that is a very good point and something to think about. I never thought about that!!
Thank you

Posted by Pastor Mike on 09-23-2015 06:58 PM:

Jeremy,

Glad your Haze female is doing well for you. It's always smart to think about breeding long before it happens.

There are a few things that I have observed over the years when it comes to dogs, breeding and just red dogs in general. These are just my own observations and opinions.

Red dogs seem to be the one breed I have noticed that do seem to get hot easier in the summer than other breeds. Don't know why, but I see it fairly consistently. Some I think is due to just not being in shape. To hunt a dog in the summer, they need to be in tip top shape and be on the right kind of food for performance to be at peak level. From what I have noticed, size doesn't matter in relation to this. If a dog is in shape, he can tree and tree hard.

I have seen smaller dogs produce smaller dogs and large dogs produce large dogs......makes sense. But, I've seen small dogs produce large dogs and vice versa. Your dog Hazel has a littermate or two that are smaller, I own a male that is smaller, but there are others in that litter that were large. Hazel has all the breeding behind her to produce large dogs......it may not matter how small a male you choose to breed her to next year, the pups could still be large because believe me, she's packing genes in there for large dogs to pop out. I personally like a larger dog, never had one break down on me in these mountains we hunt. They just keep going and going. But I will hunt a smaller dog if it has the goods and it's looking like that is going to happen this fall.

Another observation is, everyone has the "best" stud right in their own yard. It's just the nature of people to promote what they like and that is great. Nothing wrong with it at all. But usually if the litter from that stud doesn't turn out....it's always the females fault and not the stud's.... When in truth, it may not have been a good mix.....maybe the pups didn't get a fair shake or something else. Hard to really know. But if the litter from that stud does turn out well....the female tends to be forgotten and the pups got all the good traits from the stud. It takes two dogs to produce good and it takes two dogs to produce the bad.

Integrity Matters!! How a person conducts themselves is very important to me.....it may not be important to others, but I want people to know that if I give my word, I will follow through. Some folks don't care what they tell you as long as it sounds good. That's why I have learned not to commit to something unless I know I can follow through. So, just friendly advice here, don't commit to a stud right now, cause if you do and you change your mind, folks won't trust what you say. Keep your options open and if you talk to the stud owners, just let them know you are interested in the stud but have not made up your mind. Trust me, that matters in the long run.

And as Tom Solberg used to always tell me, "Enjoy the Process Mike." So I will say the same to you. Enjoy the process and have fun.

All the best Jeremy. I enjoy your videos and reports on your hunts.

P. Mike

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Posted by HERSHSHUNTIN on 09-23-2015 07:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Pastor Mike
Jeremy,

Glad your Haze female is doing well for you. It's always smart to think about breeding long before it happens.

There are a few things that I have observed over the years when it comes to dogs, breeding and just red dogs in general. These are just my own observations and opinions.

Red dogs seem to be the one breed I have noticed that do seem to get hot easier in the summer than other breeds. Don't know why, but I see it fairly consistently. Some I think is due to just not being in shape. To hunt a dog in the summer, they need to be in tip top shape and be on the right kind of food for performance to be at peak level. From what I have noticed, size doesn't matter in relation to this. If a dog is in shape, he can tree and tree hard.

I have seen smaller dogs produce smaller dogs and large dogs produce large dogs......makes sense. But, I've seen small dogs produce large dogs and vice versa. Your dog Hazel has a littermate or two that are smaller, I own a male that is smaller, but there are others in that litter that were large. Hazel has all the breeding behind her to produce large dogs......it may not matter how small a male you choose to breed her to next year, the pups could still be large because believe me, she's packing genes in there for large dogs to pop out. I personally like a larger dog, never had one break down on me in these mountains we hunt. They just keep going and going. But I will hunt a smaller dog if it has the goods and it's looking like that is going to happen this fall.

Another observation is, everyone has the "best" stud right in their own yard. It's just the nature of people to promote what they like and that is great. Nothing wrong with it at all. But usually if the litter from that stud doesn't turn out....it's always the females fault and not the stud's.... When in truth, it may not have been a good mix.....maybe the pups didn't get a fair shake or something else. Hard to really know. But if the litter from that stud does turn out well....the female tends to be forgotten and the pups got all the good traits from the stud. It takes two dogs to produce good and it takes two dogs to produce the bad.

Integrity Matters!! How a person conducts themselves is very important to me.....it may not be important to others, but I want people to know that if I give my word, I will follow through. Some folks don't care what they tell you as long as it sounds good. That's why I have learned not to commit to something unless I know I can follow through. So, just friendly advice here, don't commit to a stud right now, cause if you do and you change your mind, folks won't trust what you say. Keep your options open and if you talk to the stud owners, just let them know you are interested in the stud but have not made up your mind. Trust me, that matters in the long run.

And as Tom Solberg used to always tell me, "Enjoy the Process Mike." So I will say the same to you. Enjoy the process and have fun.

All the best Jeremy. I enjoy your videos and reports on your hunts.

P. Mike

VERY GOOD ADVISE PASTOR MIKE
TIMES 2 AGREE with what he says
also keep in mind that there are some nice studs out there that are not promoted-with outstanding winners thro out their ped.

Posted by jerhovt on 09-23-2015 07:39 PM:

-P. Mike-
Thank you if you cant tell I like to gather as much info and knowledge as possible. The only reason Im thinking about breeding Hazel is I just let her go everything was natural she just did it and good.As far as getting hot Ive noticed Redbones have finer thicker hair than other hound breeds Ive tried them all. That could be why they get hot easier. Also ive had alot of dogs in the past and sold everyone and I would never sell Walter or Hazel for any amount of $ I love what both these young dogs have to bring to the table.

Posted by GrandRiver Reds on 09-23-2015 07:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Pastor Mike

Integrity Matters!! How a person conducts themselves is very important to me.....it may not be important to others, but I want people to know that if I give my word, I will follow through. Some folks don't care what they tell you as long as it sounds good. That's why I have learned not to commit to something unless I know I can follow through. So, just friendly advice here, don't commit to a stud right now, cause if you do and you change your mind, folks won't trust what you say. Keep your options open and if you talk to the stud owners, just let them know you are interested in the stud but have not made up your mind. Trust me, that matters in the long run.

IMO this is VERY true for our breed, and VERY well stated.

I would look at Rusty or Woody.... I have pups off both and they are showing ALOT of potential. But thats JMO Im VERY VERY happy with these pups and both owners are great guys to deal with.

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Posted by Mike Stewart on 09-24-2015 01:51 AM:

You could also check out Kelly Hyde's Truck dog.
..................nitech pr yellow river doc
.............Nitech pr Krasa sawblade quick stuff bone
..................grnitech pr sawblade fiddle

nitech sawblade mac truck

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.............pr sawblade beans
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Posted by jerhovt on 09-25-2015 06:52 PM:

Again thanks to all I learned alot from this

Posted by ahallada on 09-25-2015 08:05 PM:

Don't forget that Moonshine dog that's in the World Hunt tonight.

If you want winners, breed winners to winners!

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Posted by TreeDogKennels on 09-25-2015 10:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ahallada
Don't forget that dog that's in the World Hunt right now.

If you want winners, breed winners to winners!

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Posted by JShelton on 09-26-2015 03:35 AM:

Dont forget shines daddy either. Hes a reproducer and he crosses well with the t-top blood.

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Posted by jerhovt on 10-30-2015 03:08 PM:

Again thanks to everyone who responded and helped with info. We are still looking making somewhat of a list to narrow down there are a few we really like.
Im also interested on getting more Info on Nighty night Red cloud. How his pups are doing how he hunts his traits? If anyone could give me more info on him I would greatly appreciate it.

Sawblade mack truck is he a littermate to locked n loaded jake?

There are so many good studs its tough!! and confusing lol

Posted by Corey Gruver on 10-30-2015 03:44 PM:

jerhovt

Truck would be a full littermate brother to the Locked N Loaded Jake

NTCH Sawblade Mac Truck
CH GRNTCH Locked N Loaded Jake HTX
CH GRNTCH Krasa Sawblade Quickstuff Hope
NTCH Sawblade Timberline Rusty

All four of these dogs are brothers and sisters from the Bone X Bean cross.

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Posted by RON WOLTER on 10-30-2015 03:54 PM:

Corey

What does Truck's Sound like T. & T. , How deep, ect,
Thanks

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Posted by jerhovt on 10-30-2015 04:25 PM:

Looks like that cross worked pretty good!!
Thanks for the info

Posted by Sawblade on 10-31-2015 03:57 AM:

NiteCh Sawblade Mac truck

"Truck" is in Northwestern Pa, He is 7 years old and a solid coonhound. He is a 2nd or 3rd strike dogs ,he opens on track and will sometimes go quiet while he gets ahead of other dogs. The hotter the track the more he opens. He has a beautiful long bawl locate and you can tree him on it ,he's not moving. Truck is the best mannered red male I have ever been around . Absolutely not a mean hair on him never ever mean or nasty. He will get off by himself and tree or tree with all the dogs he doesn't care either way. He has a very good voice and a steady chop on tree. He will never be for sale but folks can breed to him if they have a good female. Truck is the nicest male dog we have ever kept. He is also a very fine looking dog as well.

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Posted by jerhovt on 10-31-2015 06:04 AM:

Sawblade
Thanks for the info you covered all the bases I appreciate it!!!

Posted by Corey Gruver on 10-31-2015 08:03 PM:

Truck

If you ever get a chance go up and hunt with him and Kelly. Truck will show you what it means to have a consistent hound that is for sure. He is a pleasure to hunt with and Kelly is a hoot to boot!

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Posted by wvredbonemann on 11-04-2015 08:32 PM:

fishcreeks dirty joe

hes a winner and a number one coon hound already got a four month old pup running track hes one the best ive ever followed

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Posted by wvredbonemann on 11-04-2015 08:32 PM:

fishcreeks dirty joe

hes a winner and a number one coon hound already got a four month old pup running track hes one the best ive ever followed

Posted by ahallada on 11-07-2015 02:55 PM:

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Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 11-07-2015 04:05 PM:

Allen,
You forgot to say......and still only 2 years old

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