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Posted by msinc on 09-30-2015 09:19 PM:

Re: Pretty self explanatory

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Originally posted by Rowdy
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Nothing complicated about it. This is how I judge a dog's accuracy. She is 78/94 in her life.

A couple of things that I have learned along the way:
1) coons are easier to find when they are there
2) a tight mouthed dog will tree more coons that can be seen
3) hunting flat patch woods are harder to spot coons in than hill country and fence rows
4) accurate dogs exceeding the 50% range do exist
5) Smart dogs catch more game
6) a good track dog catches more game and is more accurate
7) a smart dog will track fast, tree right and be more pleasureable to hunt
8) people are too prideful to admit that they are hunting tree dogs instead of coon dogs
9) I don't care what other people hunt, they are feeding it.
10) titles don't make a coon dog

If number 9 is true...why are you worried about number 8????

Good luck in your new job as a philosopher.

Posted by Blusk25 on 09-30-2015 09:23 PM:

If you don't take the time to ensure a coon is there. How do you know when to reward or correct? Maybe petting up a dog on every tree made is what's caused all the slick treeing.

Funny thing about it is. When we've took an hour to shine. We find the coon. I'm guessing our shine time falls into our terrain. After walking 1.5 hours to get 600yrds in these mountains. I don't mind shining longer because I know the walk back is going to be hell.

Posted by RLenhart on 09-30-2015 09:31 PM:

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Originally posted by Blusk25
If you don't take the time to ensure a coon is there. How do you know when to reward or correct? Maybe petting up a dog on every tree made is what's caused all the slick treeing.

Funny thing about it is. When we've took an hour to shine. We find the coon. I'm guessing our shine time falls into our terrain. After walking 1.5 hours to get 600yrds in these mountains. I don't mind shining longer because I know the walk back is going to be hell.

Ihr to find the coon, 1 1/2 hr to walk 600 yards? Now I see the problem. You need a new watch, Yah your watch is moving to fast, that explains everything! LOL

Posted by Blusk25 on 09-30-2015 09:35 PM:

We all know 600 yards (on garmin) through the mountains isn't truly 600 yards. Y'all boys are welcome to try these hills anytime you want. Lol.

Posted by moleman on 09-30-2015 09:50 PM:

Wow

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Originally posted by Blusk25
We all know 600 yards (on garmin) through the mountains isn't truly 600 yards. Y'all boys are welcome to try these hills anytime you want. Lol.

If it takes you 1.5 hours to walk 600 yards you need to find a new place to hunt it is rough and steep where i hunt and i have hunted a lot of rough ground over the years but nothing close to that, have you ever thought if you shine a tree for 1 hour and you look and see the coon he may of come in while you was standing there shining, LoL.

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Posted by Rowdy on 09-30-2015 10:08 PM:

Re: Re: Pretty self explanatory

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Originally posted by msinc
If number 9 is true...why are you worried about number 8????

Good luck in your new job as a philosopher.

Not worried, just an observation as stated up further in the post. Good luck on your reading comprehension class.

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Posted by Blusk25 on 09-30-2015 10:08 PM:

Re: Wow

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Originally posted by moleman
If it takes you 1.5 hours to walk 600 yards you need to find a new place to hunt it is rough and steep where i hunt and i have hunted a lot of rough ground over the years but nothing close to that, have you ever thought if you shine a tree for 1 hour and you look and see the coon he may of come in while you was standing there shining, LoL.

Lol. That's pretty good. As far as hunting land. Very little private land here. Mostly national forest and very thin coon population. One drop a night is about all you get in. last night I left my house at 7. Was in the woods by 730. Made 2 trees in 2 drops. Neither track over 200 on garmin. And didn't get home until 1. It's like that every hunt. Rough.

Posted by RLenhart on 09-30-2015 10:20 PM:

Re: Re: Wow

quote:
Originally posted by Blusk25
Lol. That's pretty good. As far as hunting land. Very little private land here. Mostly national forest and very thin coon population. One drop a night is about all you get in. last night I left my house at 7. Was in the woods by 730. Made 2 trees in 2 drops. Neither track over 200 on garmin. And didn't get home until 1. It's like that every hunt. Rough.

Where exactly do you live? I know what you mean about 600 yards on a Garmin not really being 600 yards in the hills because it's pretty hilly here to but In some of my very worst spots I know I'll still make 600 yards to the dog in 20 minutes or less "usually less".

Posted by Ron Moore on 09-30-2015 10:43 PM:

Holy Cow!

Has it gotten down to numbers now?? My take is on this whole subject is find you a good hunting buddy, lay back and enjoy your hunt. I'll promise you, in your later years you'll remember all the good times with your friends and your good hounds and nothing about the %. I remember once I had 21 strait trees with my old female and she had coon up ever one. I took her out a few nights later and she had 3 blanks in a row They're just dogs and sometimes they don't feel good, just like us. Look at the big picture and just enjoy your time with your favorite hound and good friends, It won't get much better than that in the long run. If you're looking for that perfect % dog, I got news for you, they don't exist. Happy hunting and hope everyone has a great day......Ron

Posted by mr taylor on 09-30-2015 11:02 PM:

Re: Holy Cow!

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Moore
Has it gotten down to numbers now?? My take is on this whole subject is find you a good hunting buddy, lay back and enjoy your hunt. I'll promise you, in your later years you'll remember all the good times with your friends and your good hounds and nothing about the %. I remember once I had 21 strait trees with my old female and she had coon up ever one. I took her out a few nights later and she had 3 blanks in a row They're just dogs and sometimes they don't feel good, just like us. Look at the big picture and just enjoy your time with your favorite hound and good friends, It won't get much better than that in the long run. If you're looking for that perfect % dog, I got news for you, they don't exist. Happy hunting and hope everyone has a great day......Ron

Mr More, I know what you are saying about the friends and hunting and the memories and all the only thing is if you was not keeping up with the percent how would you remember the 21 straight trees with a coon and then 3 slicks in a row,every tree dog owner keeps up with it to a point some just don't like to own up to it.

Posted by msinc on 10-01-2015 01:04 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Pretty self explanatory

quote:
Originally posted by Rowdy
Not worried, just an observation as stated up further in the post. Good luck on your reading comprehension class.

Buddy, I don't know how long it took you to "learn" what you "learned along the way" but what you posted even without 8 and 9 is simple elementary ideas the rest of us have known for 30 years...your right, it's not complicated and neither are you!!! You call yourself a "houndsman" {self appointed????}...and post stuff like this???? The only luck I need is that one day you will tell us something we don't know.

Posted by Rowdy on 10-01-2015 01:33 AM:

What did you want? The quantum theory? You turn a dog loose, go to the tree, shine it. If there is a coon there the dog treed a coon. if you see more coon than not good for you and your dog.

If you are looking for Plato, precepts of Bushido, or the wisdom of Solomon, probably not the right website.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 10-01-2015 06:25 AM:

All I know is I saw 2 more tonight. Took like a nano second to find each of them. Just looking like everything. I may change mines name to Mr Accurate. I hope he does miss soon. Hes like a machine. Skeers me.

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Posted by Fisher13 on 10-01-2015 11:00 AM:

A tree dog will miss more as a pup, but will become more accurate in time. A track dog will run lots of tracks but make few trees, and over time make more and more trees, but will miss less. So even though the track dog isn't slicking as often, the dog is missing coon, by either hopping tracks, or just not finishing. The tree dog will miss more but should tree more coon, due to the fact they typically will be running shorter tracks, and as a general rule a dog can hunt faster then they can track. A track dog will typically look better under tougher conditions due to the fact there are less coon moving and the tracks are all difficult on that particular night, on the contrary a good tree dog should be able to tree 4or 5 coon in a 200 yd patch of woods if it's loaded and there down and moving good. There are many differences in these two different styles of dogs but The common denominator is this.. is it takes years to make good'un. Fortunately there is more then one way to skin a cat and I'm a glad and enjoy the diversity of styles in our dogs. I find they all have there strengths and weaknesses.

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Posted by Ron Moore on 10-01-2015 11:57 AM:

Re: Re: Holy Cow!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mr taylor
Mr More, I know what you are saying about the friends and hunting and the memories and all the only thing is if you was not keeping up with the percent how would you remember the 21 straight trees with a coon and then 3 slicks in a row,every tree dog owner keeps up with it to a point some just don't like to own up to it. [/QUOTE

After I made that statement, I wondered how long it would take someone to chime in. Here, I'll take that one part out and see if anyone wants to pick it apart again

"Has it gotten down to numbers now?? My take is on this whole subject is, find you a good hunting buddy, lay back and enjoy your hunt. I'll promise you, in your later years you'll remember all the good times with your friends and your good hounds and nothing about the %. They're just dogs and sometimes they don't feel good, just like us. Look at the big picture and just enjoy your time with your favorite hound and good friends, It won't get much better than that in the long run. If you're looking for that perfect % dog, I got news for you, they don't exist. Happy hunting and hope everyone has a great day......Ron"

There now, I think that's better, but make sure, I may have to edit it again

Really, it was just an example to say when things are going good, your (percentage) can go south in a hurry, but thanks for the comment cause everyone is entitled to their opinion

Posted by RLenhart on 10-01-2015 12:09 PM:

Re: Re: Holy Cow!

quote:
Originally posted by mr taylor
Mr More, I know what you are saying about the friends and hunting and the memories and all the only thing is if you was not keeping up with the percent how would you remember the 21 straight trees with a coon and then 3 slicks in a row,every tree dog owner keeps up with it to a point some just don't like to own up to it.

Ofcourse we all keep track of % one way or the other! Only an idiot would keep hunting a dog that trees on more slick trees than coons LOL
Mr Moore is saying exactly what I've been saying for weeks. Some of us know exactly what the dog on the end of our lead is doing without writing a book about it.

Posted by Ron Moore on 10-01-2015 01:54 PM:

Something

I think I should say about the post I made about the 21 strait coon and 3 blanks. The dog I was hunting back then was the best female I ever owned and probably ever will own; now she�s gone. The friend that was hunting with me at that time now has a crippling disease and can never hunt again, now, what is more important to me?? I certainly hope everyone finds their best dog and best friend ever. Good luck to all and have a great day....Ron

Posted by RANDY GIBSON on 10-01-2015 03:43 PM:

accuracy,

Do your training in the fall an winter, 30 nights of fall an winter huntin is better than all the summer huntin they can stand!!

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Posted by GA DAWG on 10-01-2015 04:37 PM:

It's fall now aint it?

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Posted by mnb&t on 10-02-2015 08:37 AM:

Re: mnb&t

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Originally posted by Kler Kry
This is about the only post that I've read lately where someone is actually trying to improve their hunting stock. You say that you are not an "official competition hunter" but I'll bet when you hunt alone with several of your dogs that you are comparing and competing them against each other. A true competition.
Sounds like you are doing what we should all be doing.
I salute your efforts.
My opinion is that most breeders that I'ved observed are not trying to improve the breed, but have found that it is far easier to produce dogs that capitalize on the weaknesses of the competition rules than it is to produce a higher level of ability.
Mental illness is a dominate trait in all mammals, thus dogs with a gimmic for winning reproduce themselves.
Thanks for your efforts!

exactly!!!

i have no agenda. not selling pups, not selling dogs, not pushing a dog or bloodline, just hunting hard and wanting to catch game not tree trees. glad to hear are handful of people that agree .

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Posted by RANDY GIBSON on 10-02-2015 08:47 PM:

It's fall now aint it?

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Feels like fall today!!

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