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It doesn't matter to me. I just want to know. If the tree had been circled she still would have been where she shouldn't have been. She would have been circled. Give me a rule that says minus. I think the right answer is delete.

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Originally posted by brujan182
Dog is struck in. Is at slick not treeing when we get there. What happens to strike points. Minus, circle, delete.

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BTW - the dogs' strike points should be minused.

Thanks Allen.

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I would question how 4-k would apply. 4-K IS ONLY ABOUT A DOG treeing and not declared. I F YOU USE 4-K you have to minus strike and tree.

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Also if you use 4-k the 3rd dog that had never barked would have to be minused his tree points.

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Originally posted by brujan182
I would question how 4-k would apply. 4-K IS ONLY ABOUT A DOG treeing and not declared. I F YOU USE 4-K you have to minus strike and tree.

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the dog is struck and at the tree when the cast arrives and handled there, but is not considered treed.
It would go against my gut not to minus him next available. I mean seriously, why should this dog deserve anything less than the dog that barked up the slick.Can anyone make a valid argument for this dog?

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Originally posted by DFred
As it is written and categorized 4k is a tree minus rule The dog in question is by UKC definition not treeing. Therefore how can 4k apply? The exception to 4a (quitting track) is 5b (coming in to tree after judge arrives). Is 4a being used to minus strike because dog was there when judge arrived? 11b says all dogs at the tree must be leashed. So if you are required to handle the dog how can a determination be made that the dog quit track (4a)?

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Originally posted by elvis
the dog is struck and at the tree when the cast arrives and handled there, but is not considered treed.
It would go against my gut not to minus him next available. I mean seriously, why should this dog deserve anything less than the dog that barked up the slick.Can anyone make a valid argument for this dog?

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It is my opinion that the dogs strike points should have been circled. I say this because 5B seems to be the rule that best fits the situation but doesn't account for dogs that are NOT treeing.

With some dogs barking treed and the cast arriving at the tree with their lights flashing all around an argument can then be made that this dogs ability to take the track on has been interfered with by the dogs treeing and the cast arriving at the tree. Therefore I would think you would then give the dog the benefit of the doubt (since it wasn't treeing) and dogs that were treeing were minused, and circle its strike point due to the interference caused by the cast arriving on a slick tree. This dog was certainly smarter than the rest of the group as it didn't way to commit on a slick tree.

So I guess on this one I disagree with Allen's interpretation, even if I am wrong, LOL.

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Originally posted by elvis
the dog is struck and at the tree when the cast arrives and handled there, but is not considered treed.
It would go against my gut not to minus him next available. I mean seriously, why should this dog deserve anything less than the dog that barked up the slick.Can anyone make a valid argument for this dog?

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If I cant minus it next available. Your not going to handle it at that tree then. So it best go on. The non huntin time will be a working.

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Sounds like he is guilty by association.

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
BTW - the dogs' strike points should be minused.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
If I cant minus it next available. Your not going to handle it at that tree then. So it best go on. The non huntin time will be a working.

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Originally posted by DFred
It DIDN'T bark up the slick!

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Originally posted by DFred
So if you can't find a rule to minus it on tree, you'll break one to put 15 on it? Remember all dogs at tree must be leashed (11b).

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Well lets see, the dog did not tree on a slick tree and it didn't quit it's track and come into the cast. It sounds like the cast walked into the dog. Now how about that arguement?

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
its not at tree if its not barking treed. Ive done decided it..

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Originally posted by msinc
How about the argument that none of these dogs are doing what they are supposed to?....swimming the water to tree the coon on the other side!!!!

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Originally posted by DFred
The old one about the tailgate dropping don't seem to work anymore!

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Guys..... 4(k) is in fact the rule that applies to all dogs at the tree (that are not declared treed) when the judge arrives. The only difference here is the dog in question meets the first criteria but not the second one. Sorry Dave, you'll not find another rule intended for this scenario. There's no other rule that applies "if" the dog is not actually barking/treeing. 4(k) all day.

So barking or not, a dog at the tree is scored as a dog treeing?

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
BTW - the dogs' strike points should be minused.

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