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When exactly is this going to be voted on in Kentucky? And have y'all got a petition out? Perhaps all of the hound clubs and supporters have already gotten together on this to get this amended to read like the other states read?

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Bobby Cagle,
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Tn law

§ 39-14-203. Fighting or baiting exhibitions

(a) It is unlawful for any person to:

(1) Own, possess, keep, use or train any bull, bear, dog, cock, swine or other animal, for the purpose of fighting, baiting or injuring another such animal, for amusement, sport or gain;

(2) Cause, for amusement, sport or gain, any animal referenced in subdivision (a)(1) to fight, bait or injure another animal, or each other;

(3) Permit any acts stated in subdivisions (a)(1) and (2) to be done on any premises under the person's charge or control, or aid or abet those acts; or

(4) Be knowingly present, as a spectator, at any place or building where preparations are being made for an exhibition for the fighting, baiting or injuring of any animal, with the intent to be present at the exhibition, fighting, baiting or injuring.

(b) It is the legislative intent that the provisions of this section shall not apply to the training or use of hunting dogs for sport or to the training or use of dogs for law enforcement purposes.

(c)(1) Except for any offense involving a cock, an offense under subdivisions (a)(1)-(3) is a Class E felony.

(2) An offense involving a cock under subdivisions (a)(1)-(3) is a Class A misdemeanor.

(d)(1) An offense under subdivision (a)(4) is a Class B misdemeanor if the person is a spectator at a dog fight.

(2) Any other violation of subdivision (a)(4) is a Class C misdemeanor.

(e) It is not an offense to own, possess or keep cocks, or aid or abet the ownership, possession or keeping of cocks, for the sole purpose of selling or transporting cocks to a location in which possession or keeping of cocks is legal.

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1989 Pub.Acts, c. 591, § 1; 1990 Pub.Acts, c. 625, §§ 1, 2; 2007 Pub.Acts, c. 555, § 1, eff. July 1, 2007; 2007 Pub.Acts, c. 216, § 1, eff. July 1, 2007.

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Nc law

§ 14-362.2. Dog fighting and baiting

(a) A person who instigates, promotes, conducts, is employed at, provides a dog for, allows property under the person's ownership or control to be used for, gambles on, or profits from an exhibition featuring the baiting of a dog or the fighting of a dog with another dog or with another animal is guilty of a Class H felony. A lease of property that is used or is intended to be used for an exhibition featuring the baiting of a dog or the fighting of a dog with another dog or with another animal is void, and a lessor who knows this use is made or is intended to be made of the lessor's property is under a duty to evict the lessee immediately.

(b) A person who owns, possesses, or trains a dog with the intent that the dog be used in an exhibition featuring the baiting of that dog or the fighting of that dog with another dog or with another animal is guilty of a Class H felony.

(c) A person who participates as a spectator at an exhibition featuring the baiting of a dog or the fighting of a dog with another dog or with another animal is guilty of a Class H felony.

(d) This section does not prohibit the use of dogs in the lawful taking of animals under the jurisdiction and regulation of the Wildlife Resources Commission.

(e) This section does not prohibit the use of dogs in earthdog trials that are sanctioned or sponsored by entities approved by the Commissioner of Agriculture that meet standards that protect the health and safety of the dogs. Quarry at an earthdog trial shall at all times be kept separate from the dogs by a sturdy barrier, such as a cage, and have access to food and water.

(f) This section does not apply to the use of herding dogs engaged in the working of domesticated livestock for agricultural, entertainment, or sporting purposes.

Added by S.L. 1997-78, § 1, eff. Dec. 1, 1997. Amended by S.L. 2006-113, § 3.1, eff. Dec. 1, 2006; S.L. 2007-180, § 1, eff. Dec. 1, 2007; S.L. 2007-181, § 1, eff. July 5, 2007.

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All states

Here is a chart. Just click on the statute and read them. None are inline with each other


https://www.animallaw.info/article/...ogfighting-laws

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im not trying to defend anybody or afend anybody..
are they gona leave the part about dogs being used in a hunting or feildtrial alone. becuz that will clearly leave hunting dogs out of the fighting picture.. they cant say your guilty of fighting a dog if u have bought a hunting license.. an i seen some posts about what if 2 guys interd there mean dogs for sole perpose to fight them in a nite hunt or if 2 dogs get in a fight an they just let it happen.. well me as a coonhunter do not want to hunt with them people or dogs.. they are in this sport for the wrong reason..everybody is intitled to there own opinion.. thats our right.. they are changing it to say four legged animals,, an just below it they say dogs used in hunting feildtrails. are excluded..

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sounds to me like a whole lot of grown men want sit and nitpick about something that clearly talks about hunting dogs and the use of dogs for hunting is not a crime unless you do not have a license.. just my opinion but a lot of people are readin too much into this... Thank you Sara for what you have done so far please keep fighting the good fight and remember who's side your on

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-Alex

Here's Arkansas law. And to tell the truth, im not sure I like it. I've done got a call in to my Senator.

_ § 5-62-120. Unlawful_animal fighting(a)(1) A person commits the offense of unlawful animal fighting in the first degree if he or she knowingly: (A) Promotes, engages in, or is employed at animal fighting; (B) Receives money for the admission of another person to a place kept for animal fighting; or (C) Sells, purchases, possesses, or trains an animal for animal fighting. (2) Unlawful animal fighting in the first degree is a Class D felony. (b)(1) A person commits the offense of unlawful animal fighting in the second degree if he or she knowingly: (A) Purchases a ticket of admission to or is present at an animal fight; or (B) Witnesses an animal fight if it is presented as a public spectacle. (2) Unlawful animal fighting in the second degree is a Class A misdemeanor. (c) Upon the arrest of any person for violating a provision of this section, the arresting law enforcement officer or animal control officer may seize and take custody of all animals in the possession of the arrested person. (d)(1) Upon the conviction of any person for violating a provision of this section, any court of competent jurisdiction may order the forfeiture by the convicted person of all animals the use of which was the basis of the conviction. (2) Any animal ordered forfeited under a provision of this subsection shall be placed with an appropriate place of custody or an animal control agency. (e) In addition to the fines, penalties, and forfeitures imposed under this section, the court may require the defendant to make restitution to the state, any of its political subdivisions, or an appropriate place of custody for housing, feeding, or providing medical treatment to an animal used for unlawful animal fighting. (f) As used in this section, “animal fighting” means fighting between roosters or other birds or between dogs, bears, or other animals. CREDIT(S)_

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Bobby Cagle,
Waldron, Arkansas
(479) 207-3789

The thing that concerns me is the club events we have like "coon in the circle" etc.

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Bobby Cagle,
Waldron, Arkansas
(479) 207-3789

Bobby, one better be careful at white river. If dog fights a bear and you enjoy it your a felon.

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Get a Good One

Roll cage,coon on log,coon in barrel are thing of past.

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Originally posted by ADAWG1189
sounds to me like a whole lot of grown men want sit and nitpick about something that clearly talks about hunting dogs and the use of dogs for hunting is not a crime unless you do not have a license.. just my opinion but a lot of people are readin too much into this... Thank you Sara for what you have done so far please keep fighting the good fight and remember who's side your on

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If they don't bay, they don't stay

Catch em and stretch em, tree em and free em

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I believe they snuck this one in on us. I can't wait to talk to farm bureau and our Poultry federation about this Monday morning. Also, my legislators will be getting a call. Ours needs to read like Missouri's

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Bobby Cagle,
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and that law say animal fighting.. everybody in an bad mood bout wording.. an as i read that bill for kentucky.. it still says anybody in a hunting or feildtail or training with a licence or fish an game permission SHALL b excluded... to the best of my knowledge. shall means the will b exlcuded.. im not defending anybody right or wrong. im just saying.. calmer heads will preval over a war

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Originally posted by walkerman75
and that law say animal fighting.. everybody in an bad mood bout wording.. an as i read that bill for kentucky.. it still says anybody in a hunting or feildtail or training with a licence or fish an game permission SHALL b excluded... to the best of my knowledge. shall means the will b exlcuded.. im not defending anybody right or wrong. im just saying.. calmer heads will preval over a war

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I do not agree with the ukc getting in bed with HSUS but if they didn't support this bill there would be a whole lot of people on here griping and complaining about the UKC supporting dog fighting..... But 1 thing is for sure sittin on here complaining about it sure wont fix the problem

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an i noticed it said about dogs fighting hogs.. what i think that refers to is the multipule vedios of 10 people standing around with a hog an dogs in a pin an someone recording it... if it wasnt for them videos people would not think things.. i understand thats how u train a hog dog. but we dont need to give people ammo to use against us... the videos that have been an are being posted on social medias. is what gives them there ammo.. videos of dogs treeing coon. or dogs baying hogs are diferent then a video of a dog chewing on a coon or a hog.. i hope u see my point.. not defending the bill. im just making a statement

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Walkerman,you are right. Videos give them ammo. If that's how you train hog dogs,then if this bill is passed a hunter will be a felon if he trains his hog dog. We have done a lot of this to ourselves. One way by videos,one way by being quiet and accepting of what they ( the govt) does.this is one time our vote and banding together is important. There will be more times we need to band together so let's start now.

It does no good for us to gripe,it does good for us to get info out to the hound hunters so they can voice their concern. That's what we are doing

It just becomes a little more important when it is happening in your state.

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HB154

Did anyone at UKC think it might be a good idea to consult
with Kentucky Houndsmen before they indorsed this bill?
If you had done this you would have understood their
concerns. Not a lawyer but I know not jump if the water is to deep. The houndsmen are part of your team and should have been consulted.

The don't care. They showed that in their replys. You can tell they think they are above everbody else.

he wont b a felon for training his hog dog if he aint got 20 people standing around laughing an videoing it for social media.. trust me i am an avid hunter an i know what has to b done to train a dog.. but the internet full of tree huggers dont need to see it,, thats where all the trouble comes from.. 25 yrs ago before internet was here people did all the same things we do now an nothing was said

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I agree with you walkerman about social media giving them ammo! And I also agree with keeping a cool head. And that's what im doing. Its up to us as individuals and clubs learning the bills out there for our state and getting in touch with our law makers and voicing our concerns.

But fellows, one things for certain and absolute with me. I'll always hunt my dogs, and I'll always Coonhunt, no matter what!!!

I'm not totally upset with ukc on this issue. I'm not going to quit hunting in the hunts. I believe you can read and understand both sides into the issue. But the wording of these bills out there means everything for the future of houndsmen. And there needs to be some amendments made!

Agree or disagree?

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do you see my point.. in no video does it say training.. how does anybody no someone aint betting on it.. do you see my point.. us as hunters have brought these bills on ourselves.. an us as hunters need to help fix it to preserve our heratige.. all im saying..

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Yes your right people need to be smarter. Years ago they weren't camera phones either. Now everybody has them. You have to be careful what you do and think before you do it. They are eyes everywhere and people have no life and they get a kick out of getting in your business and taking you down.

thats y we have tree huggers tryin to pass bills... ukc is for this bill.. ok.... now does eerybody think that if they try to revise it to take away our hunting rights that ukc will not fight against them. i do believe ukc will fight for that... us as hunters are a big part of ukc.. as i read the law it says hunting an feildtrials an training shall b excluded.. i understand the term 4 legged animals is what has people uproared. but i believe that term was used becuz of videos on youtube of hogs in pens fighting dogs while people watch is y that is there.. jmo. but the internet videos is what hurts us as hunters. the people that post videos like that becuz it is funny .. they are not true sportsman like i hope everybody on this mesage board are.. true sportsmen

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Originally posted by bobbycagle1
I agree with you walkerman about social media giving them ammo! And I also agree with keeping a cool head. And that's what im doing. Its up to us as individuals and clubs learning the bills out there for our state and getting in touch with our law makers and voicing our concerns.

But fellows, one things for certain and absolute with me. I'll always hunt my dogs, and I'll always Coonhunt, no matter what!!!

I'm not totally upset with ukc on this issue. I'm not going to quit hunting in the hunts. I believe you can read and understand both sides into the issue. But the wording of these bills out there means everything for the future of houndsmen. And there needs to be some amendments made!

Agree or disagree?

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