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Posted by john Duemmer on 09-04-2013 09:50 PM:

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Originally posted by HOBO
This right here is why people want the rule changed... BUT when the hunts were first started the whole ideal behind drawing dogs into cast was to see who had the better dog at striking and treeing a coon. Not who's dog could get off to its self the most and have its own coon. The whole ideal was to see who had the fastest strike dog and which dog could move that track to the tree.

The ideal of coonhounds not working together is not what this sport was started as...

What I dont get is if you already hunt PKC hunts and enjoy them spooooooooo
much better than UKC hunts why are you trying to force PKC rules down the throats of those who wish to hunt UKC?

This isn't directed at SmokyMtWrangler... Just his post reply caught my eye first.

You talk about what the sport started as. I started in the 60s, thats 50 years ago and the dogs that got alone and treed their own coon were winners then to. I will agree that back then guys usually hunted a pack during the week but that sure didnt make for better coondogs.

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Posted by josh on 09-04-2013 09:57 PM:

If the loner dogs are such big winners why do you guys feel the hitchhikers need to be further punished?

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Posted by chuck west on 09-04-2013 09:59 PM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Why dont you guys name a few real top hounds that were pack type dogs??? cause i have never seen one.

How many drops do you get in 2 hours with all 4 dogs split ?

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 09-04-2013 10:18 PM:

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Originally posted by chuck west
How many drops do you get in 2 hours with all 4 dogs split ?

You can say good bye to 800+ cast wins. In the other KC, you are competing against 3 dogs for the night. In UKC, you are competing against the whole entry.

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Posted by groworg1 on 09-05-2013 12:30 AM:

a dog that had to get by itself back in the day would get struck dead last every time and with only a 100 for first tree you weren't going to win so the last thing you wanted was a dead loner taking 25 points every time and this one simple concept kept the silent dogs and dead loners away today we shortened hunt increased tree points and have ruined our sport !

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-05-2013 12:43 AM:

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Originally posted by groworg1
a dog that had to get by itself back in the day would get struck dead last every time and with only a 100 for first tree you weren't going to win so the last thing you wanted was a dead loner taking 25 points every time and this one simple concept kept the silent dogs and dead loners away today we shortened hunt increased tree points and have ruined our sport !

If you really believe that last statement then you my friend are hunting the wrong style of dogs. You no longer need 3 or 4 dogs to push a racoon up a tree in short order. Your loners are tree minded and your pack dogs arehunting track minded. Why do you think the majority of hunts are won by walker hounds? Guys realized to breed the loaners that were tree minded opposed from other breeds still breeding the pack style of dogs. Some breeds have lines of loaners and they are usually successful in any registry in the pleasure world or the competition world.

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Posted by red hot sassy on 09-05-2013 12:50 AM:

Ill i see that ukc needs too do is clean up the rule book u can have ten dif ppl read it and they all can have dif rules they nd too go throw. it and word it bettet cuz it suck right now cuz um kund of new too the comp hunts but that's y u see a lot if butch cuz ppl read the rule book and they can have two dif on how the rule is jno

Posted by john Duemmer on 09-05-2013 12:50 AM:

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Originally posted by chuck west
How many drops do you get in 2 hours with all 4 dogs split ?

At the local club level its pretty unusual to see a 4 way split. The average small hunt cast might have 2 decent coontreers and a couple tag along dogs, and thats a recipe for disaster if one of the potlickers is a good enough cover dog to score points on both of the actual coondogs in the cast.
The how many drops ? will improve a little now that we will be able to score trees in the most convenient order.

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Posted by tim griffin on 09-05-2013 12:58 AM:

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Originally posted by Tim MACHA
You can say good bye to 800+ cast wins. In the other KC, you are competing against 3 dogs for the night. In UKC, you are competing against the whole entry.

that's where your wrong with the split tree over so many minutes a time out to get to them hello the big scores are back in this country

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Posted by runnin rebels on 09-05-2013 01:10 AM:

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Originally posted by red hot sassy
Ill i see that ukc needs too do is clean up the rule book u can have ten dif ppl read it and they all can have dif rules they nd too go throw. it and word it bettet cuz it suck right now cuz um kund of new too the comp hunts but that's y u see a lot if butch cuz ppl read the rule book and they can have two dif on how the rule is jno

I think you should rewrite the rule book so more coon hunters could comprehend it

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Posted by brogy on 09-05-2013 01:19 AM:

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Originally posted by runnin rebels
I think you should rewrite the rule book so more coon hunters could comprehend it

I agree. Throw the whole thing away and rewrite it.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 09-05-2013 01:36 AM:

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Originally posted by josh
Geez GA, You better be carefull who you are calling old.

You been posting here 10 years, You must be getting a little long in the tooth too.....

Im Prolly bout middle rd lol.Way I see it. Most folks 40 and under. Not all but most. Would be for a countdown. Them older. They ain't for it. Have never hunted using one. Whine and cry that a dog can win without seeing eyes

Now that's just from what I've saw. That's why Id like to know the ages of these breed reps. Maybe as I get even older. My thoughts might change to but I doubt it

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 09-05-2013 01:41 AM:

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Originally posted by brogy
I agree. Throw the whole thing away and rewrite it.

We've been working extra hard this year.

Posted by plastic on 09-05-2013 02:55 AM:

A+ 100 strike +100 tree B+ 75 strike +75 tree

A +100 strike +100 tree B+ 75 strike+ 75 tree

A +75 strike +25 tree B+100 strike +100 tree

In Pkc who wins this one?

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Posted by john Duemmer on 09-05-2013 03:02 AM:

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Originally posted by plastic
A+ 100 strike +100 tree B+ 75 strike +75 tree

A +100 strike +100 tree B+ 75 strike+ 75 tree

A +75 strike +25 tree B+100 strike +100 tree

In Pkc who wins this one?

Assuming they were plussed B wins. with most plus tree points.

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Posted by plastic on 09-05-2013 03:05 AM:

Assuming they were plussed B wins. with most plus tree points

I bet dog A handler hates count down rule now. dog B handler is loving it.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 09-05-2013 03:12 AM:

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Originally posted by plastic
Assuming they were plussed B wins. with most plus tree points

I bet dog A handler hates count down rule now. dog B handler is loving it.

Now ad that up using 125 and 75 like Ukc and see who wins.

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 09-05-2013 02:25 PM:

the minor leaguer's will not raise the bar...

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Posted by Dale Young on 09-05-2013 04:25 PM:

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Originally posted by jay brademeyer
the minor leaguer's will not raise the bar...

Some of those minor leaguers will reach the majors if we don't beat them half to death with the rule book on the way up .

Posted by Lostmtn on 09-05-2013 04:34 PM:

How do you beat them too death with a rule book??????????????? Do we follow the rules or Not enforce them or make them up as you go?

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 09-05-2013 07:05 PM:

UKC NIGHT HUNT RULES: 50% of the cast members don't know the rules. 20% of cast members can't comprehend the rules. 15% know the rules, but don't enforce the ones they don't like. That leaves 15% that can judge a cast correctly, the other 85% will come on here and complain they got cheated.
That's after using the rules in place now for the last 3 years.

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Posted by StrawberryMt on 09-05-2013 07:42 PM:

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
We've been working extra hard this year.

This went right over their heads Allen! Lol

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Posted by Tim Toler on 09-05-2013 07:44 PM:

Allen I can't wait to see the backs of the new score cards if you guys made the changes that you mentioned to me...

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Posted by runnin rebels on 09-05-2013 07:48 PM:

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Allen I can't wait to see the backs of the new score cards if you guys made the changes that you mentioned to me...

backs $^%& the new scorecards will be like a tri fold menue at dennys

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Posted by Tim Toler on 09-05-2013 07:53 PM:

Was told that they were looking at changing how the rules were grouped together... instead of listing the rules in numeric order they were playing with listing them by what they dealt with... such as: all rules that pertain to treeing... grouped together... all rules pertaining to strike points grouped together and so forth...

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