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Posted by masonman1974 on 07-22-2013 06:13 AM:

nose

hey guys whats your input on a honest cold nosed dog that often gets first strike on cold sent that most dogs wont strike on?

Posted by perry co cooner on 07-22-2013 10:39 AM:

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Originally posted by masonman1974
hey guys whats your input on a honest cold nosed dog that often gets first strike on cold sent that most dogs wont strike on?

Do these cold nosed dogs you're referring to find a cold track and strike the second you unsnap them on every drop?

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Posted by GA DAWG on 07-22-2013 11:39 AM:

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Originally posted by masonman1974
hey guys whats your input on a honest cold nosed dog that often gets first strike on cold sent that most dogs wont strike on?

Their opinion is. If you strike in front of them. Your hunting a babbler. Most of em don't even know what a babbler is.

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Posted by JiM on 07-22-2013 12:43 PM:

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Originally posted by masonman1974
hey guys whats your input on a honest cold nosed dog that often gets first strike on cold sent that most dogs wont strike on?

With 100 points at stake in a format that awards the win to the dog with the most points, NOBODY CARES IF THE DOG IS HONEST OR NOT.
This is proven by the simple fact that everyone on this forum hates a babbler, they all see them every weekend and yet nobody has one.

A dog that barks first is a definite advantage in competition. That is the bottom line.

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Posted by masonman1974 on 07-22-2013 03:00 PM:

Re: Re: nose

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Originally posted by perry co cooner
Do these cold nosed dogs you're referring to find a cold track and strike the second you unsnap them on every drop?

well not a true babbler but will open on cold sent quikly but other than being cold nosed and opening a lot is a good dog..can go get his own coon ...

Posted by Aaron Siniavsky on 07-22-2013 03:33 PM:

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Originally posted by perry co cooner
So that makes it ok to cheat by continuously striking a dog you know is babbling??? WOW

And yet people keep asking "why aren't people showing up to the hunts like they used to" lol

Its not cheating if the rules state you have to strike your dog after the minute is up and on or before the 3rd bark. Besides, prove that they are wrong.

Posted by amazingcursouth on 07-22-2013 04:28 PM:

allowing a dog to babble is the handlers fault. It can be stopped or at least controlled. As another post said, many are trying to start dogs way to early with dogs they can't keep up with, so the pups are trained to run dogs instead of coons. This is never good...period. I am a firm believer you don't need a "Pup Trainer" to train a dog. All you need is a dog with natural instinct, plenty of game to start, and hours and hours of woods time.

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Posted by buzzardcreek on 07-22-2013 04:31 PM:

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Originally posted by Aaron Siniavsky
Its not cheating if the rules state you have to strike your dog after the minute is up and on or before the 3rd bark. Besides, prove that they are wrong.

no way to prove they are babbling that's what we need to accept and realize you can't award more points for opening quicker and still give the correct dog the cast win

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Posted by perry co cooner on 07-22-2013 10:07 PM:

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Originally posted by Aaron Siniavsky
Its not cheating if the rules state you have to strike your dog after the minute is up and on or before the 3rd bark. Besides, prove that they are wrong.

According to Jim you don't have to prove the dog is babbling if the majority votes it is then it is.

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Posted by perry co cooner on 07-22-2013 10:12 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Their opinion is. If you strike in front of them. Your hunting a babbler. Most of em don't even know what a babbler is.

Come on man if a dog starts barking as soon as you unsnap the leash every time it's a babbler, its barking just to bark not bc it smells a coon. A babbler is a junk dog plain and simple. Why you're defending them is beyond me perhaps you like them. Since you're an expert on babblers explain to all of us what a babbler really is.

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Posted by perry co cooner on 07-22-2013 10:16 PM:

Re: Re: Re: nose

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Originally posted by masonman1974
well not a true babbler but will open on cold sent quikly but other than being cold nosed and opening a lot is a good dog..can go get his own coon ...

If its opening bc it smells a coon then it's not a babbler. Once you hunt with an actual babbler there's no mistaking it for what you're talking about.

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Posted by skeets on 07-22-2013 10:40 PM:

if you wanna know if you got a babbler or not,hunt them in thin coon country with a honest strike dog.that honest strike dog might just make that babbler look silly.in thin coon country there be some drops the honest strike want even bark and them babblers will be bawling all over the country,but getting nothing done.only was a babbler can compete is in thick coons.

Posted by GA DAWG on 07-23-2013 12:03 AM:

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Originally posted by skeets
if you wanna know if you got a babbler or not,hunt them in thin coon country with a honest strike dog.that honest strike dog might just make that babbler look silly.in thin coon country there be some drops the honest strike want even bark and them babblers will be bawling all over the country,but getting nothing done.only was a babbler can compete is in thick coons.

Wanna bet???

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Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 07-23-2013 12:49 AM:

The judge can minus a dog that he says is babbling. The only time it is voted on is if the handler calls for a vote. The judge can minus a dog for running off game without seeing it if he wants. It does not have to be proven but it can be overturned with a majority cast vote. The main thing is you got to have a judge with enough guts to minus the dog and handlers that are honest. The other problem is cutting right on top of buckets and getting those pop up coon. The main problem however is starting pups to young and not correcting the fault.

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Posted by josh on 07-23-2013 03:04 AM:

Used to be Babbling was a dog that left baking because it was excited, but usually straightened up after a bit.

We now have dogs that may leave without a bark, then open 100-200 yards away and never shut up the rest of the nite. It is almost impossible to minus this type of dog....I don't care how big your sack is.

A little excided babbling can easily be hunted/trained out of a dog.....The other kind is bred that way IMO.

This type of dog has gotten so common that most hunters really believe they are running a track, and think most honest strike dogs are silent.

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Posted by Cry Tough Blues on 07-27-2013 02:11 PM:

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Originally posted by buzzardcreek
it would be ignorant to rank a coon hunter by how many pkc$ they have earned

Just like I thought you can't answer what I asked, guys like you make me smile in a cast. Your kind are the first arguing your minus points on your honest dogs slick tree. And ya I know at the house your honest dog is the most accurate hound out there but when you come to town it's nothing but excuses. Just keep ol bozo tied up behind the barn where he can be the coo hounds world best kept secret. When a comp dog can show ya 4 plus coons I 2 hours it just proves he is a babbling tree grabbing idiot. Like I said keep bringing ol honest bozo to town the rest of us need a reality ckeck

Posted by buzzardcreek on 07-27-2013 05:07 PM:

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Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
Just like I thought you can't answer what I asked, guys like you make me smile in a cast. Your kind are the first arguing your minus points on your honest dogs slick tree. And ya I know at the house your honest dog is the most accurate hound out there but when you come to town it's nothing but excuses. Just keep ol bozo tied up behind the barn where he can be the coo hounds world best kept secret. When a comp dog can show ya 4 plus coons I 2 hours it just proves he is a babbling tree grabbing idiot. Like I said keep bringing ol honest bozo to town the rest of us need a reality ckeck

its guys like me that send guys like you back to the clubhouse scratching their head and talking to themselves I don't even like pkc but probably have more $ earned than you much less how many titles I've put on dogs in ukc more than a dozen spouting off about your pkc earnings shows ignorance getting on someone's post and calling it an ignorant statement without signing your name is cowardly as well as ignorant if you don't have the courage it takes to sign your name on here I'm not interested in what you have to say

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Posted by markknepp on 07-27-2013 09:20 PM:

I thought we were discussing the fact that 100 points per coon treed are awarded to the first dog that BARKS. Still have not seen a good explanation for that. Can someone please explain that to me. I'm a little slow sometimes.

Posted by AndyMiller on 07-28-2013 12:40 AM:

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Originally posted by buzzardcreek
Are we breeding competition dogs that false bark when you turn them loose to steal strike points from the honest strike dog?Of course we are just being honest about it .

you can train those loose mouth dogs thru the week == shock them == but a hound knows when hes in a hunt or pleasure hunting == if th dog likes to b competive he will get riled up ==hes under pressure==that's what makes him babble == but some dogs r worse than others===JMO IF THE ONE MINUTE RULE WUD B FORCED YOU WUDN HAVE TO WORRY BOUT BABBLERS==SO OFTEN THE FIRST DROP YOU DONT KNOW IS THE JUDGE GOING TO USE THE 1 MIN. OR NOT IF DOESNT IM GONA STRIKE AS SOON AS MY DOG OPENS==IF HE DOES THEN I WAIT ==THAT RULE SHUD B USED == UNLESS THA STRIKE OF THE LEASH== WHAT I HATE IS ==YOU TELL TH HANDLERS TO COLLAR THE DOGS==THRS ONE GUY SLOW OR ISNT READY==THEN TH DOGS THAT R READY START BARKN ==THEN MOST TIMES THA BARK WHEN YOU TURN THEM LOOSE==

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Posted by AndyMiller on 07-28-2013 01:33 AM:

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Originally posted by buzzardcreek
no way to prove they are babbling that's what we need to accept and realize you can't award more points for opening quicker and still give the correct dog the cast win

I DONT KNOW BOUT YOU ==BUT== I CAN TELL IF A DOG HAS A TRACK OR IS BABBLING==

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Posted by John Book on 07-28-2013 04:53 PM:

I have had this happen: The babbling idiots bark all they want then when the minute is up they strike them because they have yet to shut up but is ok now cause the minute is up, but let a honest dog be struck before the minute be up & they want them minused for babbling, it is one of the dumbest rules ever made, would rather it be like it use to be, what was it 3 barks leaving & they get one warning the next time they are scratched. We use to break them from babbling now it is ok, what a joke it is now. By the way I still break mine from babbling!!!

Posted by T Felderman on 07-28-2013 04:55 PM:

Any dog struck under a minute goes in for 50. This will take a lot a pressure off of the judge. This will also take a lot of the bickering away on dogs babbling or not. People can handle a 25 pt difference but 75 points is hard to swallow. Many times the judge is put in a tough place. This doesn't mean we stop minusing babbling when its obvious!

Was spectating on a hunt last night. 3 dogs opened under a minute. All three handlers with dogs struck said it didn't sound like no coon track.

Posted by groworg1 on 07-28-2013 05:07 PM:

how many guy's have a dog that will strike on the leash ? I do we were on a hunt one night on a time out walking out and my dog stood on his hind legs I said I got 20 bucks there is a coon right here we called time in agreed to split strike my dog was last to strike and first to tree lol ! I still lost that night but had a good time

Posted by DANNY RAMEY on 07-28-2013 10:01 PM:

funny this keeps coming up.

Posted by buzzardcreek on 07-29-2013 02:31 AM:

I Love To Listen To A Good Race But Awarding MorE Points F Ore Barking Firsthas Caused Us To ToleraTe Bn Undesirable Trait

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