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Originally posted by H DOG
Garminguru you sound like real piece trash trash on a stick

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Originally posted by Ron Ashbaugh
You have got to be kidding.......why? because he realizes dogs are just dogs and getting them hit is part of the sport? granted not a pleasant part, but it goes with the territory. With the way some of you guys talk I am suprised I don't see you in Los Angelso or NY with your hounds dressed up in little sweaters and you carrying them in your purse....I agree with Garminguru 100%.

I am not saying you can't feel bad that your dog gets hit or even cry yourself to sleep a few nights if that works for you, but if your dog running free goes on the road and gets hit, man up and accept it, don't try to blame or have expectations of what the person who was driving should or shouldn't do. If you can't do this, you better consider taking up a new sport.

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I have had two dogs killed on the road. Although they are just dogs it is like losing one of your famliy. I have hit dogs also once I hit a jack russle with a semi loaded w/ corn it went under the trailer tires and exploded like a water baloon. there was not a thing I could do to avoid it. @ 80k pounds you can't slow down that fast. Anyhow I knew the dog was completly dead from what I seen in the mirror. But I still got stopped went back moved the remains to the ditch and than went to the house to tell them what happened. The woman balwed like a infant I told her not to go look at it because it was such a mess. I felt really bad even though I know it is nobodys fault but the dogs for being on the road. I could have kept driving along and never stopped but I guess knowing what it feels like to lose a best friend made me want to stop and let them know what happened and there was absolutley nothing I could do about it.

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Originally posted by Dusty's Diesel
I have had two dogs killed on the road. Although they are just dogs it is like losing one of your famliy. I have hit dogs also once I hit a jack russle with a semi loaded w/ corn it went under the trailer tires and exploded like a water baloon. there was not a thing I could do to avoid it. @ 80k pounds you can't slow down that fast. Anyhow I knew the dog was completly dead from what I seen in the mirror. But I still got stopped went back moved the remains to the ditch and than went to the house to tell them what happened. The woman balwed like a infant I told her not to go look at it because it was such a mess. I felt really bad even though I know it is nobodys fault but the dogs for being on the road. I could have kept driving along and never stopped but I guess knowing what it feels like to lose a best friend made me want to stop and let them know what happened and there was absolutley nothing I could do about it.

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I have Lost family and I know the difference. Regardless it still hurts when you lose one. And it also hurts when you hit someone elses. Also for the record my shrink says I am alright

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Originally posted by garminguru
I can assure you, it is nothing like loosing a family member. If it is truly like that for you, then you need some serious psychiatric help!

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Originally posted by david r
I hate it when unqualified people make qualified statements. When and where did you get your degree in psychology?

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Originally posted by Dusty's Diesel
I have Lost family and I know the difference. Regardless it still hurts when you lose one. And it also hurts when you hit someone elses. Also for the record my shrink says I am alright

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I agree I did say that. I would rather lose 10 dogs than have something happen to my son or wife dad or mom etc. But I guess when you are in the moment loading your dog in the back of a truck that can't move his hind end and than helping the vet cause it is after hours hold him while she puts him out of his misery and than explaining to your 3 yr old what happended. Maybe for a split second you get lost in the moment and it feels just as bad as anything you can imagine.

H DOG changed his comment before I could quote it but his statement led me to believe that he is one of the guys that does more to damage Coonhunting by acting like he is entitled to compensation if you hit his dog or its your fault of you come outside with a gun because there are dogs barking and men in your yard with bright "flashlights".

Wake up you idiots. We are already a minority and y'all wanna busy people's windshields out or beat people up because they hit your dog when it was IN THE ROAD WERE VEHICLES TRAVEL. I've had a couple dogs hit and at no time did the thought "I should kick his @$$ for hitting my dog" ever cross my mind. What % don't even know they hit a Coondog on a desolate back country road at 2 am? What % don't know what to think when they hit something in the road and then see several "flashlights" bouncing thru the woods at them. Y'all don't think about that stuff.

Just like a farmer coming outside with a gun when YOUR dogs are treed on HIS land and there is a stranger in his yard with a super bright flashlight looking around. He should just know what you're doing out beside his farm machinery at 3 am? Or he should know what your doing outside his daughters window at 3 am with a flashlight? Does it make it right that he threatens someone with a gun? You're **** right it does. And it's our job as the men and women that represent our sport to handle it in a manner that doesn't ruin it for the next guy that trees in his barn or asks permission to hunt his land.

Think stuff through before you react and have to be a tough tony and ruin it for the whole breed because you think as a Coonhunter you are entitled to something. The only thing you are entitled to is free oxygen and death. The rest is up to you! Guys that throw rocks through people's windows because someone accidentally hit their dog? You should be in jail. Guys that say "he better drive off because if someone hits my dog they're in trouble". That's comical. What are you gonna do? Put CAPS LOCK on and cuss him out you keyboard warrior? Grow up children. Represent your sport so our kids have a future in Coonhunting. It's not the lack of youth that are ruining our sport it the stupid adults.

On a side note, I have met/drawn out with/already known several of the guys that get on here and talk about how if someone does this or that they are gonna get an country butt whooping an all I have to say is shhhhhhh. You're not fooling anyone.

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Originally posted by Nat Thomas
If a dog gets hit, whether its on a dead end road or not then why would you break his back window out? Accidents happen. Most dogs that get hit on the road are hit on old backroads... Wrong place wrong time... Fate.

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Originally posted by Nat Thomas
H DOG changed his comment before I could quote it but his statement led me to believe that he is one of the guys that does more to damage Coonhunting by acting like he is entitled to compensation if you hit his dog or its your fault of you come outside with a gun because there are dogs barking and men in your yard with bright "flashlights".

Wake up you idiots. We are already a minority and y'all wanna busy people's windshields out or beat people up because they hit your dog when it was IN THE ROAD WERE VEHICLES TRAVEL. I've had a couple dogs hit and at no time did the thought "I should kick his @$$ for hitting my dog" ever cross my mind. What % don't even know they hit a Coondog on a desolate back country road at 2 am? What % don't know what to think when they hit something in the road and then see several "flashlights" bouncing thru the woods at them. Y'all don't think about that stuff.

Just like a farmer coming outside with a gun when YOUR dogs are treed on HIS land and there is a stranger in his yard with a super bright flashlight looking around. He should just know what you're doing out beside his farm machinery at 3 am? Or he should know what your doing outside his daughters window at 3 am with a flashlight? Does it make it right that he threatens someone with a gun? You're **** right it does. And it's our job as the men and women that represent our sport to handle it in a manner that doesn't ruin it for the next guy that trees in his barn or asks permission to hunt his land.

Think stuff through before you react and have to be a tough tony and ruin it for the whole breed because you think as a Coonhunter you are entitled to something. The only thing you are entitled to is free oxygen and death. The rest is up to you! Guys that throw rocks through people's windows because someone accidentally hit their dog? You should be in jail. Guys that say "he better drive off because if someone hits my dog they're in trouble". That's comical. What are you gonna do? Put CAPS LOCK on and cuss him out you keyboard warrior? Grow up children. Represent your sport so our kids have a future in Coonhunting. It's not the lack of youth that are ruining our sport it the stupid adults.

On a side note, I have met/drawn out with/already known several of the guys that get on here and talk about how if someone does this or that they are gonna get an country butt whooping an all I have to say is shhhhhhh. You're not fooling anyone.

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Several years back, my oldest friend said something to me that I will never forget and seems to ring true more and more each year. He said, "the more people I meet, the more I love my dog."

Several of you make this statement for me. I know what it feels like to lose a dog to the road, and I will avoid it if I can, and if I can't, I will stop and do what I can because I'm not spineless.

I have to shake my head and laugh when reading some of these posts; read the same person typing cold-hearted, insulting post after post, then when someone attacks their character, bring up the Lord's name. As if the Lord entitles them to be self-righteous. Some of you people really need to sit and ponder why so many people dislike hound hunters.

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Originally posted by HistoryNutt
Because He Didn't Stop When He Tried to Wave Him Down?

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Agreed...Always makes me laugh when the first thing that comes to an "Adults" mind is to fight. I havent been in a fight since i was probably 15, and Im 35 now. Im not gonna fight someone over a dog so I can possibly go to jail, and be away from my kids and my wife. It sucks to have your dog hit, and a good one is hard to replace, but you cant replace time lost with your family. And you may end up picking a fight with the wrong person and get your A$$ handed to you or worse, end up dead.

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Originally posted by Nat Thomas
So if an elderly woman is driving a full size truck and hits a dog (I've hit a dog in a full size truck and you can't distinguish between a coon, possum, or medium size dog) you are saying that its ok to break her back window out because she didn't stop when a stranger tried to wave her down on an old back road late at night? Y'all act like everyone in the country knows exactly what Coonhunters are and do. If my daughter, mom, or son for that matter try to get flagged down by a stranger on an old country road I will encourage them to drive away as fast as possible and if you are ignorant enough to think that it's ok to bust out their back window because of this, you don't deserve to own hounds or represent our sport.

Accidents happen guys... We take a chance every single time we cut a dog loose and 99.9% of the time, a dog getting hit on the road is going to be purely accidental. The way you represent yourself after the fact shows your true character. I've had dogs hit and I've had someone not stop. The first thing that crossed my mind was making sure the DRIVER was ok and if they drove off and didn't stop then oh well, accidents happen and them stopping on an old country road at 1am isn't gonna change a dang thing.

I'm not perfect, I don't claim to be nor will I ever be but I can honestly say that reading some of y'all's posts and the way you keep trying to justify busting out someone's window or cussing them out over hitting a dog WITH A VEHICLE.... ON THE ROAD... Where vehicles belong, not dogs, makes me worry about the future of our sport with such piss poor representatives. It will never be ok to retaliate or bust someone's window out for not stopping when they hit a dog. How do they know you didn't throw something in the road to get them to stop so you can rob them? Or worse? We don't live in a perfect world where crimes against people don't happen and we don't live in a world where this isn't a real threat. Just like dogs getting treed in someone's yard or a dog going up around the house without barking. If a father with kids inside sees strangers in his yard in the middle of the night with bright lights shining around his house he had every right in the world to come out with a shotgun wondering what the hell you are doing on his property, it's called protecting person and property. Do the hunters mean harm? More than likely not but how is he supposed to know that? Do we as Coonhunters have any right to get mad and belligerent because someone came out hollering and threatening the trespassers on his land that could possible mean harm to his family or property? Absolutely not. We are trespassing on his land in the middle of the night with bright lights shining around his property. He has every right to try and scare away what he perceives as a threat.

A little over a year ago there was a elderly father and his daughter who was his caretaker tied up in their farmhouse on an old desolate road, robbed, raped, and murdered. When we live in a world where thing like this are real occurrences you have to be mindful of the perception we give when we try to flag someone down on an old gravel road or when we go up around someone's house trying to catch a dog in the middle of the night. I will fight for Coonhunters rights until the end but I will side with the driver and the homeowner every single time on this issue.

Ignorant comments like "they better drive off because if they hit my dog they are gonna be sorry" or "he didn't stop so I threw a rock thru his back window" or "if he comes out with a gun when I'm trying to catch my dog in his barn at 2am he better hope I don't have a gun or shoot first" #1 make us look like jacked up inbred hillbillys, #2 give good people who could carry some weight in the laws that govern our sport or own thousands of prime hunting ground, the impression that Coonhunters are violent outlaws and there's no way they are allowed on their property and #3 actually make it worse when it comes to people stopping when a dog is struck or when we are trying to catch a dog on private land.


How many people do you know that will still stop when they hit a dog and they've heard numerous Coonhunters talk about how they pity the fool that accidentally hits their dog.... On roads... Where vehicles travel... And where dogs shouldn't be.... If you are so worried about your dog getting hit then be a responsible dog owner/trainer/handler and use an e-collar to break the dog from crossing around cars, from crossing The road at all, don't hunt woods that have the possibility of getting a dog struck, or watch your garmin and keep up with the dog. It's not someone else's fault that your dog ran onto the road when they are trying to get home from work at 3am... More than likely its an accident and more than likely it could have been prevented with proper training or proper use of the tools that are available to us via Garmin.

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Originally posted by michael.magorian
Several years back, my oldest friend said something to me that I will never forget and seems to ring true more and more each year. He said, "the more people I meet, the more I love my dog."

Several of you make this statement for me. I know what it feels like to lose a dog to the road, and I will avoid it if I can, and if I can't, I will stop and do what I can because I'm not spineless.

I have to shake my head and laugh when reading some of these posts; read the same person typing cold-hearted, insulting post after post, then when someone attacks their character, bring up the Lord's name. As if the Lord entitles them to be self-righteous. Some of you people really need to sit and ponder why so many people dislike hound hunters.

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Originally posted by michael.magorian
Several years back, my oldest friend said something to me that I will never forget and seems to ring true more and more each year. He said, "the more people I meet, the more I love my dog."

Several of you make this statement for me. I know what it feels like to lose a dog to the road, and I will avoid it if I can, and if I can't, I will stop and do what I can because I'm not spineless.

I have to shake my head and laugh when reading some of these posts; read the same person typing cold-hearted, insulting post after post, then when someone attacks their character, bring up the Lord's name. As if the Lord entitles them to be self-righteous. Some of you people really need to sit and ponder why so many people dislike hound hunters.

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Originally posted by michael.magorian
Several years back, my oldest friend said something to me that I will never forget and seems to ring true more and more each year. He said, "the more people I meet, the more I love my dog."

Several of you make this statement for me. I know what it feels like to lose a dog to the road, and I will avoid it if I can, and if I can't, I will stop and do what I can because I'm not spineless.

I have to shake my head and laugh when reading some of these posts; read the same person typing cold-hearted, insulting post after post, then when someone attacks their character, bring up the Lord's name. As if the Lord entitles them to be self-righteous. Some of you people really need to sit and ponder why so many people dislike hound hunters.

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Originally posted by Nat Thomas
So if an elderly woman is driving a full size truck and hits a dog (I've hit a dog in a full size truck and you can't distinguish between a coon, possum, or medium size dog) you are saying that its ok to break her back window out because she didn't stop when a stranger tried to wave her down on an old back road late at night? Y'all act like everyone in the country knows exactly what Coonhunters are and do. If my daughter, mom, or son for that matter try to get flagged down by a stranger on an old country road I will encourage them to drive away as fast as possible and if you are ignorant enough to think that it's ok to bust out their back window because of this, you don't deserve to own hounds or represent our sport.

Accidents happen guys... We take a chance every single time we cut a dog loose and 99.9% of the time, a dog getting hit on the road is going to be purely accidental. The way you represent yourself after the fact shows your true character. I've had dogs hit and I've had someone not stop. The first thing that crossed my mind was making sure the DRIVER was ok and if they drove off and didn't stop then oh well, accidents happen and them stopping on an old country road at 1am isn't gonna change a dang thing.

I'm not perfect, I don't claim to be nor will I ever be but I can honestly say that reading some of y'all's posts and the way you keep trying to justify busting out someone's window or cussing them out over hitting a dog WITH A VEHICLE.... ON THE ROAD... Where vehicles belong, not dogs, makes me worry about the future of our sport with such piss poor representatives. It will never be ok to retaliate or bust someone's window out for not stopping when they hit a dog. How do they know you didn't throw something in the road to get them to stop so you can rob them? Or worse? We don't live in a perfect world where crimes against people don't happen and we don't live in a world where this isn't a real threat. Just like dogs getting treed in someone's yard or a dog going up around the house without barking. If a father with kids inside sees strangers in his yard in the middle of the night with bright lights shining around his house he had every right in the world to come out with a shotgun wondering what the hell you are doing on his property, it's called protecting person and property. Do the hunters mean harm? More than likely not but how is he supposed to know that? Do we as Coonhunters have any right to get mad and belligerent because someone came out hollering and threatening the trespassers on his land that could possible mean harm to his family or property? Absolutely not. We are trespassing on his land in the middle of the night with bright lights shining around his property. He has every right to try and scare away what he perceives as a threat.

A little over a year ago there was a elderly father and his daughter who was his caretaker tied up in their farmhouse on an old desolate road, robbed, raped, and murdered. When we live in a world where thing like this are real occurrences you have to be mindful of the perception we give when we try to flag someone down on an old gravel road or when we go up around someone's house trying to catch a dog in the middle of the night. I will fight for Coonhunters rights until the end but I will side with the driver and the homeowner every single time on this issue.

Ignorant comments like "they better drive off because if they hit my dog they are gonna be sorry" or "he didn't stop so I threw a rock thru his back window" or "if he comes out with a gun when I'm trying to catch my dog in his barn at 2am he better hope I don't have a gun or shoot first" #1 make us look like jacked up inbred hillbillys, #2 give good people who could carry some weight in the laws that govern our sport or own thousands of prime hunting ground, the impression that Coonhunters are violent outlaws and there's no way they are allowed on their property and #3 actually make it worse when it comes to people stopping when a dog is struck or when we are trying to catch a dog on private land.


How many people do you know that will still stop when they hit a dog and they've heard numerous Coonhunters talk about how they pity the fool that accidentally hits their dog.... On roads... Where vehicles travel... And where dogs shouldn't be.... If you are so worried about your dog getting hit then be a responsible dog owner/trainer/handler and use an e-collar to break the dog from crossing around cars, from crossing The road at all, don't hunt woods that have the possibility of getting a dog struck, or watch your garmin and keep up with the dog. It's not someone else's fault that your dog ran onto the road when they are trying to get home from work at 3am... More than likely its an accident and more than likely it could have been prevented with proper training or proper use of the tools that are available to us via Garmin.

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Originally posted by garminguru
I just seen where you "tried" to quote me several posts back and added a bunch of rubbish to my statement. Pretty slick move pal!

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Coonhunters don't carry a bad reputation because we are undeservedly persecuted... A few bad apples that think its ok to throw a rock through someone's back window because their dog ran onto the road where vehicles belong and travel at 55mph ruin it for everyone.

I'm only 29 years old but many years ago when I had only been Coonhunting about a year, I was out with a friend of mine and his English female blew out of a section and was treed in an elderly woman's front yard. Not only did he pull into her driveway and park, he went straight to the tree, started shining and squalling, and was also carrying a rifle to shoot the coon out. About 5 minutes into shining a truck came flying down the road and pulled in. 2 big burly guys got out, one of them carrying a shotgun, and starting asking in a very loud voice what the hell he was doing... So instead of acting like a responsible Coonhunter, he starts yelling back about right to retrieve and dogs don't have steering wheels etc... In the end, he got the shotgun pointed at him and "escorted" off the property. And ya know what? He deserved every **** bit of it and then some. Stupid stuff like that is why Coonhunters have a bad name and its so hard to find private ground to hunt on. Those 2 guys were that elderly woman's sons. If a stranger with a gun was in my moms yard at 2am getting out of the truck yelling is mild to how I would react.

I often wonder how different our sport would be and how much it could grow if we didn't have bad apples like that ruining people's perception of ALL Coonhunters for life.. And you know **** well that they told everyone they know that a worthless Coonhunter was trespassing on his moms land with a firearm and Coonhunters are devil spawn.

A little bit of respect and common sense goes a long way in a world that's lacking both of those things!!!!

And that was the last time I went hunting with him also...

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Originally posted by michael.magorian
So, you couldn't have gotten all three lines in one post? That frustrated huh? That quote is close enough where you will get no apology from this guy. If you would like to have a coming to Jesus discussion with me, please feel free to PM me. This guy's post got wrecked long ago, so I will let this post pass on by from now on.

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