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Posted by 8hawg on 02-08-2013 11:48 PM:

Re: Chris

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Originally posted by byrd, lance
Would you consider using a different Stud dog than the one you are using? Exclude any of his pups in my question. Thanks Lance

I would consider it yes. But it will be later on. Reason being the Stud I am using is relative new. Meaning most of his pups are less than 2 yrs old. I am trying females from different lines. By doing this I feel as though I am using several different studs out there. The females background, and family history is researched. If it fits for what I'm looking for I try to use it if I can. The reason I am using this one Stud is because I will not be able to see the full extent of his reproduction unless I do. He has shown me enough to keep going. I keep pups or obtain pups later and start them and hunt them myself. I also have individuals I trust that are hunting his offspring, I use this along with seeing his pups winning in large and small hunts to evaluate and make future decisions. I am not personally interested in taking a dog myself and winning big with it. However, I am interest in producing Top Hounds that can win big and please the hard hunting hide hunters and myself. I am very happy with the results so far and believe the best is yet to come. As long as I see results and continue to go forward I will use this one Stud. I have had pups from other lines that have nothing to do with this stud. I have seen some I like and some I don't. Most of what this stud has produced I like, there has been a few I don't. The females I use to cross back on gives me a bit of insight on how and what some of the others studs are producing. "IF" I only had 1 or 2 females that I would not get rid of then yes I would be using different studs out there besides the one I choose to use now.

I know kind of a long round about way to say yes and no.

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Posted by pamjohnson on 02-08-2013 11:52 PM:

maybe the problem isnt kennel blind as much as lack of funds and prestige in this breed.

Posted by byrd, lance on 02-09-2013 12:12 AM:

Re: Re: Chris

quote:
Originally posted by 8hawg
I would consider it yes. But it will be later on. Reason being the Stud I am using is relative new. Meaning most of his pups are less than 2 yrs old. I am trying females from different lines. By doing this I feel as though I am using several different studs out there. The females background, and family history is researched. If it fits for what I'm looking for I try to use it if I can. The reason I am using this one Stud is because I will not be able to see the full extent of his reproduction unless I do. He has shown me enough to keep going. I keep pups or obtain pups later and start them and hunt them myself. I also have individuals I trust that are hunting his offspring, I use this along with seeing his pups winning in large and small hunts to evaluate and make future decisions. I am not personally interested in taking a dog myself and winning big with it. However, I am interest in producing Top Hounds that can win big and please the hard hunting hide hunters and myself. I am very happy with the results so far and believe the best is yet to come. As long as I see results and continue to go forward I will use this one Stud. I have had pups from other lines that have nothing to do with this stud. I have seen some I like and some I don't. Most of what this stud has produced I like, there has been a few I don't. The females I use to cross back on gives me a bit of insight on how and what some of the others studs are producing. "IF" I only had 1 or 2 females that I would not get rid of then yes I would be using different studs out there besides the one 1 choose to use now.

I know kind of a long round about way to say yes and no.

Thanks for the response. I understand what you are trying to do. Good luck and I hope you achieve your goal. How many females are the 1 yr plus pups you mentioned out of?

Posted by 8hawg on 02-09-2013 12:41 AM:

I know several will disagree and thats OK. I believe we have what it takes out there now and have for a long time. If you don't show up to compete you can't win BIG or little. The answer to greater success is participation. Some folks think the Top Walkers are untouchable. Mr. Clean(walker) was defeated by Funky Monkey II in a four dog casts earlier this year. World Champ Mr. Clean was defeated by a blue dog. Why because Jason showed up for that hunt and hunts his dogs hard when not at he hunts.

This years World hunt. Over all the Walkers had a 23% success rate. Blue dogs had a 19% success rate from the Zones to the Finals. Walkers had the Blues out numbered by over 2 1/2 times the total number in the zones. If as a whole "Bluetickers" want to see a World Champion then participation is needed. Most who bet against the odds lose. Put the odds in your favor and highly increase the chance of winning. Don't just send a handful of the Top Blues send them all. I am going to do my best to see that we send 4 or 5 from here.

It's a numbers gap, not abilities.

As far as PKC hunts and Blues go they are like a drop in the bucket compared to the Walkers as far as numbers go. That's why you don't see many at the top because there aren't that many.

All the above is my opinion based on numbers.

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Posted by Blacklabel on 02-09-2013 12:59 AM:

Chris, im not disagreeing with you and see what your doing, we are in the same boat, she is by far the best blue gyp ive followed and we thought we had a replacement but she was stolen. So this could be her last litter and we are trying to make it count. We are not looking for a one hit wonder but the next generation of above average dogs. Her pups go to youth or hard to please guys like Bill Hubbard, Joe Moyer, and Gary Utchman has had a couple. Just want to leave no stone unturned.

And I'll say it again.

PERFORMANCE FIRST

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Posted by 8hawg on 02-09-2013 01:02 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Chris

quote:
Originally posted by byrd, lance
Thanks for the response. I understand what you are trying to do. Good luck and I hope you achieve your goal. How many females are the 1 yr plus pups you mentioned out of?

1 year plus pups I have been directly invoved with have been out of 4 different females.

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Posted by 8hawg on 02-09-2013 01:11 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blacklabel
Chris, im not disagreeing with you and see what your doing, we are in the same boat, she is by far the best blue gyp ive followed and we thought we had a replacement but she was stolen. So this could be her last litter and we are trying to make it count. We are not looking for a one hit wonder but the next generation of above average dogs. Her pups go to youth or hard to please guys like Bill Hubbard, Joe Moyer, and Gary Utchman has had a couple. Just want to leave no stone unturned.

And I'll say it again.

PERFORMANCE FIRST

Justin, This is a good post there has been few on here lately. I have enjoyed this discussion with you and the others. You have obviously had success in your breeding and I'm sure you will continue to be successful. Best of luck to you and your hounds.

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Posted by Blacklabel on 02-09-2013 01:20 AM:

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Originally posted by 8hawg
Justin, This is a good post there has been few on here lately. I have enjoyed this discussion with you and the others. You have obviously had success in your breeding and I'm sure you will continue to be successful. Best of luck to you and your hounds.

Thanks, but the CREDIT goes to Mr. JERROD LAWRENCE, he is the breeder I just hunt some of his pups or give my honest opinion of a dog. All this was to help him, he dont enjoy stirring the pot.

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Posted by 8hawg on 02-09-2013 01:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blacklabel
Thanks, but the CREDIT goes to Mr. JERROD LAWRENCE, he is the breeder I just hunt some of his pups or give my honest opinion of a dog. All this was to help him, he dont enjoy stirring the pot.

Are you saying you enjoy stirring the pot?

Sometimes when I get close to a stirring pot it has a way of sucking me in. I try to stay away

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Posted by Blacklabel on 02-09-2013 02:09 AM:

I dont mind it

I have a way of getting people fired up and the truth flowing

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Posted by blueticker on 02-10-2013 03:30 AM:

Justin, the truth is tough to handle by a few. I own, train, finish and bury the keepers. They don't get the frequent flyer discount from Delta. The hounds I hunt today came from hounds I hunted in the seventies. My goal is to breed for the best hound. That includes looks, mouth and ability. The hound I hunt only needs to please me when I cut it loose. I have sold a few that were super nice. When you hunt a hound 250 nights a year and get skunked less than two percent, you have a coon catcher. Treeing coon as close to me as possible is very important. Treeing one when sent is most important.

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Posted by Blacklabel on 02-10-2013 04:10 AM:

Thanks Dennis.

Joe Moyer says Rebels daddy was the kind and he couuld not get him bought. That itself stirs up my intrest in Rebel.

Im not saying the must go a mile every drop but i like them to be split, have a knack for getting alone, unless something hitchhikes, thats a whole other topic. Ill take that 25as strike and 100a tree every time. You live by it and you sometimes die by it, but i like to tree alot of coons fast. Thats where the big motor comes in, hunt on the run, slam brakes and jam a coon.

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The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win. Everyone wants to win but not everyone wants to prepare to win." - Bobby Knight

Posted by pamjohnson on 02-10-2013 02:24 PM:

split

i understand why u want 100 for tree. what i can never understand is why everyone always want them alone n split. now dont get bent outta shape its a ligetiment question. the only reason i can come up with is possible dog not fast enough on track. yes it shows i dont hunt pkc so no experience. maybe another subject but i have been told this is the reason the blues dont win because they havent been bred for track speed like walkers have been for years.

Posted by 8hawg on 02-10-2013 03:15 PM:

Re: split

quote:
Originally posted by pamjohnson
i understand why u want 100 for tree. what i can never understand is why everyone always want them alone n split. now dont get bent outta shape its a ligetiment question. the only reason i can come up with is possible dog not fast enough on track. yes it shows i dont hunt pkc so no experience. maybe another subject but i have been told this is the reason the blues dont win because they havent been bred for track speed like walkers have been for years.

What you stated could be a reason some believe. I have heard this many times before. This is what was explained to me by a few, about willing to take a last strike and treed alone type. The explanation was " one hour Pkc hunts". Many times there is only one coon treed in a hour. 4 dogs on one tree you know who the winner is mostly likely going to be. Now take another four dog cast that has one dog in that cast that is always looking to get treed alone. He goes hard may take last strikes alot but always treed alone. So now you have 3 dogs treed together and one treed alone. Pkc uses the progressive tree scoring, which will determine how the 3 dogs tree is scored. Last strike treed alone will win a majority of one hour pkc hunt casts..

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Posted by Blacklabel on 02-10-2013 03:42 PM:

Thats pretty much sums it up. And if they are fast and you can get them cut again they will usually be under another before the hr and there if you need it.

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Posted by yancy_goodlock on 02-11-2013 01:19 AM:

justin, you should come hunt with my Moose dog, he has a big motor with no reverse. I dont like bragging on a dog. my friend Troy, who is friends with the whole Mojo crew, Raxter, Raines, Engle. Asked to take him to a Pkc hunt, He drew out with a Big name walker man that owned a couple world champions, the kind fellow offered me 4 grand for that 6 yr old blue dog.

Posted by Blacklabel on 02-11-2013 01:25 AM:

Well tell me more Im listening....

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Posted by yancy_goodlock on 02-11-2013 01:33 AM:

theres a thread on here with his ped and pictures. He is a hard hunting son of a gun , and accurate. He turn him loose,you pull him off a tree. Goodlocks mallory lake moose.

Posted by Roger Smith on 02-11-2013 06:00 AM:

Re: Check him out

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Originally posted by Mad-Dog
Come up and go hunting with GR CH NT CH PR Mad Dog Astro. Turn him loose, find him treed............Tim (There is a thread on here)

Tim I would love to get a female pup down here to put up to a number of males. Kinda keep me in mind and we will see if it is something that I may be interested in.

Posted by Mad-Dog on 02-11-2013 12:43 PM:

Astro

Roger,
Come on up, we will take you hunting and show you what we have, no excuses made, what you see them do is just what they did..........Tim

Posted by KJW71266 on 02-11-2013 04:54 PM:

I find it amuzeing that people referencing MOJO as an example. I am not taking anything away from his accomplishments and his offspring have all done well.
MOJO did not win a world hunt to the best of my Knowledge. By the therories i read on here he should not have been bred to.

Look there are Bluedogs that are cabable of winning that is a fact i don't know why we haven't won the big dance yet but feel we will.
The bluedog in the picture below Beat MOJO on this cast and hunt in this very picture below!!! Gauge drew MOJO when they were competing 3 times. Mojo never won!!
GAUGE and MOJO prohunt

You are in MO go hunting with him, go hunt with his pups!!! Or look at the winning record of his offspring!! Breed hunts ,Young guns, National Bluetick days etc etc.
He has had the good fortune of having covered some of the best and winningest females in the breed and some of the sorriest. The common denomiator is a high percentage will make it.
Enough said I';; let him or his pups do the talking but go see it for yourself.

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Posted by BlueTickNC on 02-11-2013 05:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by KJW71266
I find it amuzeing that people referencing MOJO as an example. I am not taking anything away from his accomplishments and his offspring have all done well.
MOJO did not win a world hunt to the best of my Knowledge. By the therories i read on here he should not have been bred to.

Look there are Bluedogs that are cabable of winning that is a fact i don't know why we haven't won the big dance yet but feel we will.
The bluedog in the picture below Beat MOJO on this cast and hunt in this very picture below!!! Gauge drew MOJO when they were competing 3 times. Mojo never won!!
GAUGE and MOJO prohunt

You are in MO go hunting with him, go hunt with his pups!!! Or look at the winning record of his offspring!! Breed hunts ,Young guns, National Bluetick days etc etc.
He has had the good fortune of having covered some of the best and winningest females in the breed and some of the sorriest. The common denomiator is a high percentage will make it.
Enough said I';; let him or his pups do the talking but go see it for yourself.

GREAT POST KEVIN FOR SOME REASON THESE GUYS THINK THE WALKERS CAN NOT BE BEAT WE CANT BEAT NOTHING IF WE DONT SHOW UP GUYS!!!!!!!JMO

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Posted by Danny Glista on 02-11-2013 05:26 PM:

Kevin

Ya can't get anymore black and white than that! I might add that ole blue in that picture above also drew out PKC world champion Magic trick 3 times in pkc and sent him home packin early 2 out of the three times he drew him. He competed against some of the best pkc had to offer and was an honest strike dog! Go draw out Big D and try to get an honest 1st strike, never happen. Big D will have it out of the gate!! Hemi, pretty much the same. Eric told me hisself that Hemi could beat Gauge on the score card but as a true complete hound, it would be Gauge all the way. Snooter, all I can say is WOW!!! Yes, she did alot of winning, how, GOD only knows!! Just to think I gave $6500 for her still makes me kringe a bit!! Guys, I like a winner but I won't feed an idiot!! NEVER!! OK,got to go!! Danny G.

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Posted by 8hawg on 02-11-2013 05:37 PM:

Good post Kevin.

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Posted by Blacklabel on 02-11-2013 05:39 PM:

2 SS WINS
2 TRIPLE CROWNS.
Numerous others.

NOT the world but still alot for a dog retired before he turned 3, i believe.

His wins and his ability to reproduce is why he should be bred. I like what i hear about Mason from several people, he is wild and trees lots of coons. I hear most mojo pups are the same.

Why aren't these pups put in more hunts then Bluetick hunts? If you have the ones who can win push them, if you cant afford it get a partner who can. Everyone wants to win with an underdog.

I havent brought up Hemi for a reason, she dont shut up from tailgate and back to the tailgate.

I know thery are out there just not promoted.

Perry Ross' Sally female is supposed to be a go getter that gets lowend strick and treed alone, they have had success with her.

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