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Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 02:38 AM:

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Originally posted by Lee Stocking
Heres the problem if you were on the right side of the fence we wouldnt need to argue. We would have voted in the right people where we dont need to worry about our rights being infringed.

So people that disagree with you are wrong. The right people were voted in,it's called an election and america voted. You was saying if obama wouldn't have won i wouldn't be arrogant,why ? I've had the same rights under reagan clinton,and both bushes so what the difference now,at least for me? It's not a problem for me,kinda expect this kind of standard club house talk from certain ones.

Posted by Lee Stocking on 01-27-2013 02:56 AM:

Of corse I think your wrong, same as you think I am wrong. You voted for and uphold Nobama. I disagree with his political stance. If Nobama wasnt in office we might not be on this issue of fighting for our 2nd amendment rights. But you guys want change so here it comes.
BTW this is not a hatred towards you as a fellow hunter. This is a disagreement.

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Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 03:32 AM:

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Originally posted by Lee Stocking
Of corse I think your wrong, same as you think I am wrong. You voted for and uphold Nobama. I disagree with his political stance. If Nobama wasnt in office we might not be on this issue of fighting for our 2nd amendment rights. But you guys want change so here it comes.
BTW this is not a hatred towards you as a fellow hunter. This is a disagreement.

Cool and thanks for the disagreement not hate,there is a big difference. Every election one of y'all rallying cry is they're going to take our guns,so that'll never change no matter what.

Posted by CHRIS PACE on 01-27-2013 04:39 AM:

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Originally posted by trackdriver
I've had the same rights under reagan clinton,and both bushes

OH SNAP!!!!!!! Sorry trackdriver I can't let this one get away.

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Posted by CHRIS PACE on 01-27-2013 05:10 AM:

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Originally posted by truly
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 18, 2013

** UPDATE **

STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION;
INVESTIGATION CONTINUES

In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.

Seized inside the school:

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine

#2. Glock 10 mm handgun

#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

How many of the firearms seized would fall under the new proposal being considered?

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Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 05:10 AM:

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Originally posted by CHRIS PACE
OH SNAP!!!!!!! Sorry trackdriver I can't let this one get away.

LOL! Please have at it? School me.

Posted by CHRIS PACE on 01-27-2013 06:01 AM:

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Originally posted by trackdriver
LOL! Please have at it? School me.

To stay on topic of this thread we should discuss your right as an individual,or the right of the people to posess a Bushmaster .223 XM15-E2S with a high capasity 30 round magazine, as not to infringe upon the rights of the other.Which it would not be the same in the administrations you listed.

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Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 02:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by CHRIS PACE
To stay on topic of this thread we should discuss your right as an individual,or the right of the people to posess a Bushmaster .223 XM15-E2S with a high capasity 30 round magazine, as not to infringe upon the rights of the other.Which it would not be the same in the administrations you listed.

True, so what's your solution?

Posted by Lee Stocking on 01-27-2013 03:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
True, so what's your solution?

Impeach.....and get rid of Biden too.
The only thing needs to happen is better background checks. Improve the mental health system. There are no programs for mental people. It's an area I know well.
Leave the guns alone.

Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 03:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lee Stocking
Impeach.....and get rid of Biden too.
The only thing needs to happen is better background checks. Improve the mental health system. There are no programs for mental people. It's an area I know well.
Leave the guns alone.

But we both no that isn't going to happen. So you think it's all about mental health? How would you go about the process?

Posted by Diggerman on 01-27-2013 04:14 PM:

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Originally posted by trackdriver
Cool and thanks for the disagreement not hate,there is a big difference. Every election one of y'all rallying cry is they're going to take our guns,so that'll never change no matter what.

Fact.Obama campaigned on gun control,It was no secret,If you voted for obama,you voted for Gun control.Don't sugarcoate it.You are a guncontrol advocate.The second ammendnent is under the most organized,sophisticated attack ever and you are a part of it, Own it.

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Posted by Diggerman on 01-27-2013 04:21 PM:

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Originally posted by trackdriver
How am i arrogant? You talk foul to me,9 times out of 10 you're gonna get it back,that's fair. Maybe y'all them guys that got picked last on the play ground and never go over it.

I am willing to BET that 99% of those picked last on the playground voted democrat.

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Posted by Lee Stocking on 01-27-2013 04:29 PM:

Your right thats my little jabs because I know if the Republicans were in we wouldnt have this issue.
Pretty sure we can all agree on a uni background check.
We also know that what ever laws Washington wants to put in place there will always be a black market system. So whats the solution? I honestly dont know. I can you that I am not in favor of banning any of our guns or mag capacity.

Feinstein was just on Face the Nation and she contradicted herself. She wants stricter gun laws, ban the capacity mags and then was asked about over seas terror and she sees the real threat for terrorism. We the people know the the US citizens is the largest military in the world.
Ray Kelly wants illegal handguns in New York. Maybe you can give some ideas how hes going to go about that without infringing on the honest gun owners? Hes in for a battle.

SO to the mental health. I own a assisted living for the mental ill. We have zero restrictions for the people that are bi-polar, skits ect...they are allowed to come and go at will. In short some of these people are passed from home to home. Theres no real structer for these people, no support for the homes and we have many many more mental people that need taken off the streets. These are the people that need Gov. assistance, not the people that want to thug and wont work. But I dont think the mentally ill are the root of the killing on the streets.

Posted by Lee Stocking on 01-27-2013 04:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
Cool and thanks for the disagreement not hate,there is a big difference. Every election one of y'all rallying cry is they're going to take our guns,so that'll never change no matter what.

Only when the Dems are in control.

Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 04:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Diggerman
Fact.Obama campaigned on gun control,It was no secret,If you voted for obama,you voted for Gun control.Don't sugarcoate it.You are a guncontrol advocate.The second ammendnent is under the most organized,sophisticated attack ever and you are a part of it, Own it.

Campaigned on gun control are you sure? The problem with you statement is that's a lie. You probably voted for ole loser romney and what was is stance as gov.on gun control in his state? Brady bill pass by what party?

Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 04:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lee Stocking
Your right thats my little jabs because I know if the Republicans were in we wouldnt have this issue.
Pretty sure we can all agree on a uni background check.
We also know that what ever laws Washington wants to put in place there will always be a black market system. So whats the solution? I honestly dont know. I can you that I am not in favor of banning any of our guns or mag capacity.

Feinstein was just on Face the Nation and she contradicted herself. She wants stricter gun laws, ban the capacity mags and then was asked about over seas terror and she sees the real threat for terrorism. We the people know the the US citizens is the largest military in the world.
Ray Kelly wants illegal handguns in New York. Maybe you can give some ideas how hes going to go about that without infringing on the honest gun owners? Hes in for a battle.

SO to the mental health. I own a assisted living for the mental ill. We have zero restrictions for the people that are bi-polar, skits ect...they are allowed to come and go at will. In short some of these people are passed from home to home. Theres no real structer for these people, no support for the homes and we have many many more mental people that need taken off the streets. These are the people that need Gov. assistance, not the people that want to thug and wont work. But I dont think the mentally ill are the root of the killing on the streets.

Ray kelly's party is who? Killings in the street or schools different?

Posted by Lee Stocking on 01-27-2013 05:07 PM:

Ray Kelly is a typical Dem. Knows more about what the people need than the people themselves. Go watch the show it was interesting. Blackburn was the sensible person.

Posted by Diggerman on 01-27-2013 05:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
Campaigned on gun control are you sure? The problem with you statement is that's a lie. You probably voted for ole loser romney and what was is stance as gov.on gun control in his state? Brady bill pass by what party?

Hey TD, the difference between you and conservatives is that we hold our elected officials accountable. If Romney were to have been elected and went on national tv proclaiming his support for new restictive gun laws,I can guarantee you every conservative republican on this board or not would be asking for his head.Conservative hold their elected officials accountable,Liberals make up excuses and blame others for the failings of those they voted for.If new restrictive gun laws are put in place you will undoubtly blame it on Bush.If you are sayin that you had no idea the bamar was going to push gun control,then you sir are in deep denial.

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Posted by truly on 01-27-2013 05:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Diggerman
Hey TD, the difference between you and conservatives is that we hold our elected officials accountable.

Digger you are one funny guy!

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Posted by Lee Stocking on 01-27-2013 07:15 PM:

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Originally posted by truly
Digger you are one funny guy!

As a whole Digger is spot on.

Posted by CHRIS PACE on 01-27-2013 07:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
True, so what's your solution?

There is no solution,there is only compromise,and when it comes to the Bill of Rights there should not be any compromise.

Now we should discuss our individual interpretations of the words written into the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constituition.

[Hint] It is going to lead us back to compromise.

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Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 08:23 PM:

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Originally posted by The Seeker
Passed and signed by Bill Clinton in 1993. Both house of reps. and senate were under Democrat majority.
After passage many parts of law was overturned by courts as being unconstitution, if this is what you were wondering about.

Passed the house may 8 1991 repubs.controlled,and ray kelly isn't a dem.

Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 09:20 PM:

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Originally posted by The Seeker
I understood the '91 bill only contained a 7 day waiting period nothing else ' I might be wrong won't be the first time. I have no idea who Ray Kelly is or was.

In Mpls.,and St Paul almost all politicians Dems. and Reps. are for gun control, high crime rates. In the rural areas almost all politicians, Dems. and Reps. are gun advocates, we have low crime rates out here. Strange Huh? That's why I never vote a straight ticket.

My fault about the Ray Kelly thing but i don't vote straight either. It really doesn't matter what happen in 1993 but what's a solution for now? I really don't have one myself other i liked brush idea about hiring military vets for school security.

Posted by trackdriver on 01-27-2013 09:54 PM:

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Originally posted by The Seeker
Tackdriver, I don't know the answer any more. Nobody wants a happy medium. One thing I believe is, if a law is good enough for the common people it should be good enough for ALL elected officials. Any time I see elected officials exempted I have real problems that something ain't right. I consider myself as somewhat a Libertarian, but don't agree with letting people do what they want but also expect some one else to pay for it.

True. Can you explain to me what libertarians is? I kinda like some of their views. Thanks. We do treat people with money or power like they are kings or queens.

Posted by Lee Stocking on 01-27-2013 10:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
My fault about the Ray Kelly thing but i don't vote straight either. It really doesn't matter what happen in 1993 but what's a solution for now? I really don't have one myself other i liked brush idea about hiring military vets for school security.

The solution WAS to vote for the people (both Dems and Reps)who we knew this issue would not have came about. Obama and his kronies want nothing more than bigger Gov and full control of the American people. No matter what the man says his actions speak so much louder than his words.
See Trackdriver you helped create this problem. Now how can we help this situation? Write your senators, write Obama take part if the poles. The people that want to control the guns need to know we will not stand to be dictated. Not us hard working tax paying law abiding people. (Notice I say us)

Obamas allready proved hes not going to do or get the country out of the state we are in. Its time some of his supporters realize he is no good.

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