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Posted by jimmy on 01-10-2013 12:04 AM:

Just curious who owned all this huntable land? There's thousands of acres around my house but I don't have permission to hunt all of it.
I'm sure if the dogs had crossed a fence and you got your butts chewed you'ld be unhappy about that too.

Posted by jculler8 on 01-10-2013 03:24 AM:

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Just wondering who won the cast?

Not dog D. That's all I know lol

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Posted by Doug Bowers on 01-10-2013 04:30 AM:

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Originally posted by walkerdog1
Sad but true maybe ukc should not allow buckets or have a new titel GBC GRAND BUCKET CHAMPION lol

Heck i bet half of all Grnitech couldnt even tree a coon on a bucket.

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Posted by Jason Gillespie on 01-10-2013 12:42 PM:

Re: Re: Thats bull

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
Maybe its guys that think you walk a minute in UKC that need to brush up on things.

Maybe its people like you that will cheat another mans dog because your to much of a D### to realize your dog isnt the best one being cut.I would have been fair with the man instead of circling a slick tree and gave him a chance to listen for his dog!

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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 01-10-2013 02:24 PM:

JIM

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Dang Coomer, where you been? Are you just saving yourself for the good ones?

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Posted by GA DAWG on 01-10-2013 02:27 PM:

I really don't understand this here. We have rules in place to minus a dog that's alone a lot. Unless your a big timer and at a world hunt. Even that's different now. Why not call time? I bet it'd been fine had all 3 been slick wouldn't it?? We'd have never heard about it.

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Posted by K. Singletary on 01-10-2013 02:33 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Thats bull

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Gillespie
Maybe its people like you that will cheat another mans dog because your to much of a D### to realize your dog isnt the best one being cut.I would have been fair with the man instead of circling a slick tree and gave him a chance to listen for his dog!

See if you can find someone that I cheated.

I wasn't on this cast, but in this case the dog wasn't struck, there was nothing to listen for. Had the guide said to recast would you hold your dog on the leash listening for a nonstruck dog before recasting? If so, where in the rules does it tell you to do this and how long would you listen?

And why are you so sure they circled a slick tree? The vote was 3 to 1 for circle, the 1 that voted to minus his dog wasn't there so he had just as much to gain by voting minus as the other 3 had by voting circle.

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-10-2013 03:25 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Thats bull

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Originally posted by K. Singletary

And why are you so sure they circled a slick tree? The vote was 3 to 1 for circle, the 1 that voted to minus his dog wasn't there so he had just as much to gain by voting minus as the other 3 had by voting circle.

I've seen this happen many times i don't, know the tree was slick but when its three to one your done most of the people i draw want to circle a twig you can't beat most of these guys into takeing minus they refuse to admit their dogs aren't what they braged up to be if you are honest you've got to beat man and dog

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Posted by Jason Gillespie on 01-10-2013 03:52 PM:

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Originally posted by jculler8
the whole point is that less than 30 min was spent in the woods. we walked 400 yards to your dogs, that were slick and circled. you had no idea where my dog was, so ya'll agreed to call timeout without calling a vote, AT THE TREE.

its a shame you had a guide that could only spend 20 minutes in a woods and score ONE measly tree if that's REALLY THE TRUTH of the story.

Heres were i got it! Dont beleive i was talking to K !!!!

Was just giving the man my perspective!!! Thats the problem everyone has to talk S### to someone on a computer huh!!!!

Posted by Jason Gillespie on 01-10-2013 03:55 PM:

I agree

Walkerdog i agree your right! If you cant be honest in a cast and hold the card you shouldnt be holding it!

Posted by MikeR on 01-10-2013 05:50 PM:

Threads like this are reasons why people get sick of going to hunts.

1/2 of the cast members don't know the rules, 1/2 want to bend or ignore the rules and both want to whine and complain when they don't get their way.

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 01-10-2013 07:42 PM:

Re: Thats bull

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Gillespie
[B]They should have recut there dogs should have walked there min and then listened for your dog if it wasent herd and the woods was big enough they should have cut again!

I reposted this as what do you mean "should have walked their min"?
There is no min rule in UKC. There is in PKC

Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-10-2013 09:20 PM:

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Originally posted by MikeR
Threads like this are reasons why people get sick of going to hunts.

1/2 of the cast members don't know the rules, 1/2 want to bend or ignore the rules and both want to whine and complain when they don't get their way.

this ant as bad as some of the cast I've been on

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Posted by jculler8 on 01-10-2013 10:16 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Thats bull

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
See if you can find someone that I cheated.

I wasn't on this cast, but in this case the dog wasn't struck, there was nothing to listen for. Had the guide said to recast would you hold your dog on the leash listening for a nonstruck dog before recasting? If so, where in the rules does it tell you to do this and how long would you listen?

And why are you so sure they circled a slick tree? The vote was 3 to 1 for circle, the 1 that voted to minus his dog wasn't there so he had just as much to gain by voting minus as the other 3 had by voting circle.

Should recast to the dog, struck or not, calling timeout was a load of crap and everyone on this post knows that, so what should be done about it?

I brought this and the voting topic up because it happens a lot in the nite hunts, yet there isn't a given way to handle it based on the ways certain rules are written.

Besides being honest, can it be fixed by rewriting the language of some rules?

Posted by john Duemmer on 01-10-2013 10:41 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thats bull

quote:
Originally posted by jculler8
Should recast to the dog, struck or not, calling timeout was a load of crap and everyone on this post knows that, so what should be done about it?

I brought this and the voting topic up because it happens a lot in the nite hunts, yet there isn't a given way to handle it based on the ways certain rules are written.

Besides being honest, can it be fixed by rewriting the language of some rules?

If a majority cast vote doesnt seem fair to you i dont know what would. I doubt 3 other hunters were intentionally out to get you handling a dog that hadnt even gotten struck. If the cast was required to recast every time their was a dog missing in action you would have a mess, If you think they should stand around with their dogs on a leash listening you would create a situation where if the dog was heard and struck they would have to recast or if they listened and didnt hear the dog they would have to recast. See how rediculous that sounds? And how in the world are you going to recast to a dog not struck? it could be anywhere.

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Posted by jculler8 on 01-10-2013 10:45 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thats bull

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
If a majority cast vote doesnt seem fair to you i dont know what would. I doubt 3 other hunters were intentionally out to get you handling a dog that hadnt even gotten struck. If the cast was required to recast every time their was a dog missing in action you would have a mess, If you think they should stand around with their dogs on a leash listening you would create a situation where if the dog was heard and struck they would have to recast or if they listened and didnt hear the dog they would have to recast. See how rediculous that sounds?

A dog doesn't have to be struck to recast. All that needs to be done is recast and open up a new set of strike points. Seems pretty simple to me.

Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-10-2013 10:56 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thats bull

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
If a majority cast vote doesnt seem fair to you i dont know what would. I doubt 3 other hunters were intentionally out to get you handling a dog that hadnt even gotten struck. If the cast was required to recast every time their was a dog missing in action you would have a mess, If you think they should stand around with their dogs on a leash listening you would create a situation where if the dog was heard and struck they would have to recast or if they listened and didnt hear the dog they would have to recast. See how rediculous that sounds? And how in the world are you going to recast to a dog not struck? it could be anywhere.

no probley not just out to get who ever thay can probley whould have one of the others if given the chace most people won't take minus when hit in the face with it like lieing for that good dog makes it more than what it is

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