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Posted by trackdriver on 12-08-2012 12:16 PM:

Romans 13:1-7? please explain.

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Posted by conhtr1 on 12-08-2012 01:05 PM:

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Romans 13:1-7? please explain.

Which part are you having trouble with Track?

Posted by trackdriver on 12-08-2012 05:41 PM:

Not being funny just wanted your opinion on this,kinda like bible study. Is God saying the laws of the land are to be obeyed?

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Posted by T.Beyer on 12-09-2012 03:19 AM:

Track alot of people have trouble with those verses. Even republicans lol. I personally don;t have issue with it. We need to submit to those in authority over us. God placed them there. That's a tough one to swallow, for some. We are however given a caveat that they have to be not going against the word of God.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

(So God puts everyone in power, authority? Yes.
Let me point you to Daniel, and a King who was not serving God, but was however making his own idols and forcing people to bow, God dealt with him. Daniel 2:20-22 Daniel Acknowledged God's authority to set up and remove kings.)

Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

Ouch! Now can we civilly resist authority as it pertains to protesting and disagreeing? Absolutely. Our laws give us that right, and we are free to exercise it within the law.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.

God has placed those in authority over us. We should fear authority when we are unlawful. If we are lawful as it pertains to our civil government and society, we have no reason to fear those in authority, so long as they are righteous.

Rom 13:4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

See description for verse 3

Rom 13:5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.

Serve because it is right. So that we can live with the knowledge that we are doing what is right, not out of some fear.

Rom 13:6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.

Go back to when the nation of Israel wanted to have a king like other nations. God told them that they would get a king who taxed, took land, took young men and also were not righteous. Our taxes are to support them just as tithes were to support the early church

Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Sums up everything nicely from the preceding 6 verses

Not sure if this answers any questions but its a couple of minutes worth of effort.

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Posted by T.Beyer on 12-09-2012 03:20 AM:

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Originally posted by trackdriver
Not being funny just wanted your opinion on this,kinda like bible study. Is God saying the laws of the land are to be obeyed?

Track I hafta do some more digging, but we are to obey the laws of the land, so long as they are not contrary to God's word. I'll nail that down for you in a bit.

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Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 12-09-2012 03:32 AM:

Yes, we are to obey the laws of our land, so long as those laws do not conflict with God's law. Government is instituted and ordained by God. The great part about this place we call the U.S.A. is that 'we' are the government - for, of, and by the people.

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Posted by vernonsdream on 12-09-2012 03:39 AM:

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Originally posted by trackdriver
Romans 13:1-7? please explain.

I see where you're going with this Track so let me explain my take on it. To some it may seem like you are to obey the government under any circumstance. This is not accurate to what the scripture. First of all you have to think about the Apostle Paul (author of Romans) and to whom he was speaking. A lot of people can't take a step back and realize Paul was not writing this concerning Americans in the 21st century and our skewed and warped version of politics.
Rather Paul was speaking to already saved Christians, not unsaved people of the secular world. If you're familiar familiar, Paul was beheaded for trying to CREATE ANOTHER FORM OF GOVERNEMNT! (Kingdom of God) how's that for submitting and obedience to the governemnt no matter what? Like I said Paul is speaking to Christians to obey and submit to the authority and the will of God. When it comes to scripture always ask yourself, "ok now who wrote this and to whom were they soaking to?". People nowadays want to twist scripture and mold it to their little life. Paul was speaking to the Saints. Not Bill and Joe at the watering hole.

This is all my opinion on the scripture of course

Posted by conhtr1 on 12-09-2012 12:51 PM:

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Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
Yes, we are to obey the laws of our land, so long as those laws do not conflict with God's law.

an example

Daniel 6: 7 The royal administrators, prefects, satraps, advisers and governors have all agreed that the king should issue an edict and enforce the decree that anyone who prays to any god or human being during the next thirty days, except to you, Your Majesty, shall be thrown into the lions’ den.

10 Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

16 So the king gave the order, and they brought Daniel and threw him into the lions’ den. The king said to Daniel, “May your God, whom you serve continually, rescue you!”

22 My God sent his angel, and he shut the mouths of the lions. They have not hurt me, because I was found innocent in his sight. Nor have I ever done any wrong before you, Your Majesty.”

24 At the king’s command, the men who had falsely accused Daniel were brought in and thrown into the lions’ den, along with their wives and children. And before they reached the floor of the den, the lions overpowered them and crushed all their bones.

I'd say that those pushing their will on others against God's will/law/rules will be punished by God.

Numbers 14:18 'The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.'

Posted by trackdriver on 12-09-2012 07:24 PM:

Thanks fellows.

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