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Originally posted by truly


Go ahead and study the list a bit. Then think about where all of the best colleges and universities are. This isn't to say that all education in the city is great, or that you can't get great education in rural areas, just that most folks who are very focused on education are going to head to the city. I grew up in a small town. We had what was normal for a small town education system. It can't hold a candle to the education that my children will get.

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Originally posted by truly
Joe, I like your map better. It is interesting about those super tall blue bars. And no tall red ones. Every single place that has high density population rejects Republican or conservative views. I do think OP has an intriguing question, and as much as we have all opined about it, there really is a lot to think about.
Hope you all had a good hunt tonight. Dogs got treed 9 times tonight. Took 13.

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Originally posted by truly
Joe, I like your map better. It is interesting about those super tall blue bars. And no tall red ones. Every single place that has high density population rejects Republican or conservative views. I do think OP has an intriguing question, and as much as we have all opined about it, there really is a lot to think about.
Hope you all had a good hunt tonight. Dogs got treed 9 times tonight. Took 13.

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Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
So are you answering 'yes' to the original question?

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Originally posted by truly
Yes indeed, cities are brooders for Liberals. Let me tell you a few reasons:
1] Great education. Yes there are failing inner city schools, but the majority of urbanites have access to a great education. And not just K-12. Obviously the majority of great colleges and universities are in urban areas. And once graduated from a great university, most of the highest educated grads stay in the city for employment reasons. So on a daily basis, our kids get to chat with adults who are PhD scientists, MDs, CEOs, CFOs, accountants, lawyers, engineers, etc.
2] We live in close proximity to people who are very different than we are. This makes us appreciate the logic of tolerance on a level that those who live in rural or small town can't. If your neighbor is LBGT or an ethnic minority or someone who deals with mental health issues, you just learn to deal with it. If you have a Somali neighbor that likes to butcher a goat in their back yard every so often then you realize that they will be tolerant when you want to skin some coon off of your maple tree. And our close proximity makes us realize that we are just better to all get along.
3] Gubt run services: Mass transit works. Large public parks with great walking trails are the gem of any major city. Public water and sewer is so much more cost effective than everyone having their own well and septic system. This makes understand "the economies of scale", and appreciate that there are many things that gubt can do better than individuals.
4] and speaking of services- all of the needy and mentally ill from small town USA migrate to the big city. Your shell shocked veterans end up close to the best VA hospitals, of which most are in cities. Your drug addicts come to cities for treatment. We do our best to rehabilitate them. Often we succeed. Which makes us understand that NOBODY should be just thrown to the curb like these shell shocked vets and druggies and the mentally ill. We know you all claim that through charity that you will care for them. But you didn't or they wouldn't have migrated here. So this builds the liberal mindset that we need social welfare and safety nets that are gubt run to catch those who fall through the cracks.
5] The shell shocked veterans tell us stories. And it makes us understand and hate war. And we deal with immigrants who have come here to escape the ravages of wars in their home countries. And many of these wars were the end result of our US foreign policies. The scars on their bodies and the far away look in their eyes is just like our own veterans. And because these Vets and immigrants live in close proximity they become friends.
And we realize that we could just all get along. If we just tried a little harder.

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Originally posted by conhtr1
truly. when all these 'well educated' people hit the workforce in the big city, will they be like those already there and be part of the middle, low, or no income class or be in the wealthy class?

I talked to an instructor at a Vo-Tech (hands on work) school a few years back and he had an initial "test" for his students the first day. He handed them a weed eater, leaf blower and chain saw...all gas powered. He could then tell just how 'simple' to start their instruction. His words not mine...."You can tell which ones are country boys and which ones lived in the city."

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Originally posted by truly
2nd response to OP:

I think these maps that show so clearly that the higher density the population is the more likely the area is to be liberal really has everything to do with the fact that conservatives just can not live in close proximity to others- even other conservatives- besides Salt Lake City, there is no other major metropolitan area that is Red.

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Originally posted by truly
The well educated folks will go into the workforce at whatever level that they choose. If they have a doctorate in philosophy, they may sit under an oak tree and ponder the meaning of life and never make a dollar. Or if they have an MBA from a prestigious school they may jump right in to the 100k$ pay scale. But most importantly, they will have options. Well educated people have options. Not just options, good options.


Yes, glad the country boys know how to start a gas engine. valuable skill that is. what do landscaping crews pay their help these days- 10-12$ an hour? Of course the guy who knows how to do math, write bids and is bilingual will make 30-50$ an hour.
And urbanites know how to merge. and how to get from point a to point b when there are a bunch of one way streets in between. and how to drive on 4 lane highways.
and most importantly, how to get along with others.

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Originally posted by truly
There are many urbanites that have very intensive and productive gardens/gardening techniques. This last summer I grew tomatoes, black beans, carrots, potatoes, beets, lettuce, peppers, numerous herbs, eggplant, cucumbers, melons, watercress, celery, onions, strawberries, raspberries, chives, grapes and apples. Urbanites are increasing their own food production as our food supply chain continues in a direction of less and less healthy products.

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Originally posted by curs12
I'm confused on the whole freeloader thing! I'm fairly wealthy and come from a large well off family and we are pretty liberal! I understand most of the debates but not sure on all the hand out business

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Originally posted by Matt McKinney
I agree..I didnt vote, but everyone I know that has a job voted for Obama..The only people I know that voted for Romney were my wifes extended family, and they are all on welfare...I keep hearing about the hand out business, but dont get it. People have been on welfare wayyy before obama, and will be on welfare wayyyy after he is gone too.

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I didnt say I dont mind it. I said I dont understand why people think all the people on welfare or looking for a handout voted for Obama. I didnt add my "feelings" about people on welfare in my post. I go to work to feed my family, and be a man. I would go to work wether people were on welfare of not. But to answer your question, if you truely do not need help, and you are capable, then you should be working and not be on welfare. But you didnt answer my question about why everyone thinks the liberal voters are the ones on welfare? The ones I see on welfare voted for Romney. You even said it yourself, the american people have spoken and voted for the free govt stuff..What people and what free stuff? Everyone I know works, and voted for obama, the ones that dont voted for romney...I know a good ole boy that claims he cant work, bad back...But he can deer hunt everyday and carry a 150lb buck out of the woods, or reel in a 35 lb catfish and toss it over the side of the boat, or bowl in a league twice a week..But I be ****ed if he cant work..He Voted for Romney. Like i said, I dont know hardly anyone on welfare, but the ones I do know didnt vote for obama.

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Originally posted by SoShadow
so you don't mind going to work every day so that your wifes family can stay home and watch their big screen tv. just because people were on welfare before obama doesn't make it any better.but the american people have spoken and voted for all the "free" govt. stuff they can get. i just hate to see the day when the govt runs out free stuff and we have half the country with no work skills, no money and no food. how do you suppose they are going to eat?

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Seems to me the folks on welfare that voted for Romney, might have been hoping for change ... like getting off welfare !

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Believe me, the good ole boy doesnt want a change. He wouldnt be able to poach deer all year and go fishing and bowling everyday. He is on disability, workers comp, ect, but also owns a bunch of properties and makes money renting them out..Basically a slum lord. He is milking the system just as bad as you can milk it. So let me get this right..If you voted obama and you are on welfare, you want more welfare...If you voted romney and are on welfare its cause you want off of it.None of the people I know on welfare can or would be willing to hold a job, cant even pass a marijauna pee test..LMAO...Now I have heard it all....Your post did make me laugh though and I appreciate that. A good laugh is always needed. I voted for Obama the first term, and I would pee in a cup and show my tax records anytime to prove I have never been on welfare, or accepted a handout. If im not at work, Im at the house being a dad and a husband, if im not at the house, Im in the woods with a hound.

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Originally posted by Glenn Wells
Seems to me the folks on welfare that voted for Romney, might have been hoping for change ... like getting off welfare !

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Hey Matt, the few "examples" you gave don't mean squat. If you can't see the overall trend as to who voted for who and why that's your problem. You've got it backwards but convincing you of that would be like convincing a walker that it really is a slick tree!

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Remember unions are also on the gubment dole, they get their "handouts" too and that counts just as much as the welfare people.

Just like corporate gubment assistance is a "handout" as well (not talking about a legitimate tax deduction for operating expenses like the liberals want to call corporate welfare but actual getting money from the gubment like Solyndra, GM and others).

Gotta count all those in the "vote for gubment handouts" crowd too.

So in that case, even if they have a job, if they are in the union they are in the same "vote for gubment handouts" group.

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Originally posted by Doug A
Hey Matt, the few "examples" you gave don't mean squat. If you can't see the overall trend as to who voted for who and why that's your problem. You've got it backwards but convincing you of that would be like convincing a walker that it really is a slick tree!

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Here is an example of the socialist mindset of the current administration:

The though that "401k and IRA's are unfair to poor people"

http://www.nationalseniorscouncil.o...y&Itemid=62

Scares the heck outta me!

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oakridge, that's a good story. terrible news but good to know. back in the day when social security was enacted officials were still more honest and followed basic american values. now, with the likes of obama and his staff any government program is likely to be a scam. social security has been and would still be a good program if politicans hadn't raided the lock box.

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The original actuarial numbers for S.S. indicate it's designers were "betting" on the probability of recipients not living long enough to recieve significant amounts of benifits. It was, and is, nothing more than a glorified 'Ponzi scheme'.

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...", nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day" - 2 Timothy 1:12

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we can not be trusted with arms for our own defense?" - Patrick Henry

"Those who would give up essential Liberty,to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

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Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
The original actuarial numbers for S.S. indicate it's designers were "betting" on the probability of recipients not living long enough to recieve significant amounts of benifits. It was, and is, nothing more than a glorified 'Ponzi scheme'.

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they were betting that recipients wouldn't recieve significant amounts of money. that's the same way insurance companies bet you won't die or that a storm won't come. regardless, ss would have been functional for many more years if congress hadn't raided the lock box and if they hadn't added so many more beneficiary types.. in any event, citizens weren't preparing for their future, as they are not doing so today. if a government plan is put into place, people will rely upon it instead of themselves and everyone will have to pay for the other persons carelessness.

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