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MR SNYDER I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AS I AM JUST A YOUNG CHILD ONLY BORN AGIN FOR ALMOST 3 YEARS AND I AM SO PROUD OF IT AS FOR PRAYER MAN YOU HAVE NO IDEA I HAVE SEEN IT WORK WHEN NOTHING ELSE WOULD AS FOR MR OBOMA NOTHING WE CAN DO BUT IT BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE THE NON BELEAVERS OF OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST ON HERE GOD SENT HIS ONLY SON TO DIE FOR US AND OUR SINS WOULD YOU DO THAT I THINK WE SHOULD PRAY FOR THEM AS MUCH AS FOR MR OBOMA



GOD BLESS TO ALL AND I WILL BE PRAYN FOR YOU

tackntreeman first muslims never drink beer fact is a sin punishable by death have you ever heard him praise allah ? all i've everheard is him talk about god he has said he is a christian just like all christians proclaim to be let me ask you this bush said he was christian and then ordered shock and awe killing many innocent woman and children in iraq do you still think he is a christian ? were all sinners and when a sinner looks down on another sinner like his sin isn't as bad of a sin as the other sinner he is not much of a christian imo!

Stating additional positions doesn't really explain original positions. Start at the beginning, please.

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Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
Mr. Snyder, surely you don't mean that.

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Originally posted by Bear
Yeah I do.Never seen a prayer answered.what is is,whats gonna be will be.Seen it to many times people pray and pray for something,it dont happen,pray for a sick loved one and they still die.Hell even pray for the sick loved one to to be taken so the pain will end,and it dont happen.Then you hear "in gods time or gods will" BS.

I want one of you "thumpers to give me a sound logical explanation for this.Late june my mother had a heart attack.was so bad she had to be put on morphine and basically knocked out.Was slowly going down hill.Prayers for a end to her suffering were made by many.Ended up I HAD TO make the desicion to pull the plug. Now,I dont want to hear NO Im sorries or crap like that.I what you thumpers to explain gods time and will logically for that!!
YOU CANT!!

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Originally posted by Brett Gragg
MR SNYDER I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU

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Mr. Snyder,
Before we engage in a conversation on the will of God, suffering, etc., lets first examine your basic worldview. I notice you have as part of your location the phrase "God's Country" and in your signature a quote by Ben Franklin ( a man who believed in prayer). Now why would you believe in God if you don't believe in having conversations with God (prayer), and why would you idolize a man whose view on prayer was in total opposition to your own?

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Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
Mr. Snyder,
Before we engage in a conversation on the will of God, suffering, etc., lets first examine your basic worldview. I notice you have as part of your location the phrase "God's Country" and in your signature a quote by Ben Franklin ( a man who believed in prayer). Now why would you believe in God if you don't believe in having conversations with God (prayer), and why would you idolize a man whose view on prayer was in total opposition to your own?

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Mr. Snyder,

about 17 or 18 years ago I was involved in an accident where I was crushed between two one ton trucks. Broke my pelvis, fractured several vetabraes in the small of my back, messed my right hip up, twisted my tail bone, damaged my intestine... While having the surgeries to repair everything they called my family in and told them that they found cancer in my abdomen.. I was on life support, the prayers started and in a week they did more test and come back to my family and told them that there isn't no sign of what they had seen earlier... I came off lifesupport in a little over a week... was told that I would be in a wheelchair by now which I am not...

For me I know prayer did work and I thank GOD for it... not only am I not in a wheel chair but I am able to walk the hills of WV chasing after a dog, coach basketball, enjoy activities with my kids as if nothing had ever happened...

Then I have also lost the only sibling I had... He was 32 years old and died of a massive heart attack... now do I question GOD about this not now.. did I, yes... but I have been shown why him... now it wasn't revealed to me in some cloud with a voice but... GOD works in suttle ways... I have seen GODS work and sometimes it takes drastic measures to get someones attention... the taking of my little brother and best friend... opened my eyes along with a whole host of my brothers friends... I seen the passing of a 6 yr odl little girl my cousin who asked her mom and dad to go to church with her every sunday and they wouldn't until she passed of a cause that is still unknown... guess what my aunt and uncle are now some of the strongest members of their church... so sometimes GOD has to use drastic measures to wake people up... Instead of questioning WHY something happened for the bad look at what good come of it... The day of my brothers funeral I seen 3 to 4 things happen that I didn't think I would ever see happen again... but because certain people was at my brothers funeral reunited a family... Now is that why GOD took my baby brother?? I don't know but that family would have never been under the same roof if he hadn't passed... so yes I think that was one of the reasons that my brother was taken away.. I can't say I know how you feel because I haven't lost either of my parents but I have gained alot of insight to this topic by the passing of my brother.

There are reasons that all prayers arent answered and we may never know why... but my friend trust me GOD has a plan... for you, for me, for our nation,..

I will be praying for you My Friend.

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Tim,glad you recovered.However did you really have cancer or did the docs jump the gun and make a mistake?

"but my friend trust me GOD has a plan"

LOL well his plan sucks and again seems like one sick sense of humor.
Ive set in church pretty regular for 2 yrs(In support of my youngest girl) Ive listen to the fruit cakes claimin god talks to them. Listen to all the prayer request and have yet to see one truely seem to be answered by "God" Have some good people there ,but also some I have no use for.Then there is the whole other subject of tithes.I cant see giving 10% of what little I make,cant pay bills as is.You see I dont forgive and forget.Someone screws me there is no forgiving or second chance,Im the first to admit Im judgemental,sarcastic and a pesimist(sp)

Yes I believe there is a god/creator(no freakin way an ape is my cousin)Yes I believe Jesus walked on this earth. I DO NOT believe there is a plan for my life or god listens to each and everyone of us,or talks to people. But hey if it makes you feel better and helps you deal with the crap of life go for it.Just dont expect everyone to buy into your eutopia.Life has kicked me in the %%%% for that.

MR BEAR,MR SNYDER

I COULD GET ON HERE AND TYPE ALOT OF THINGS ABOUT A LOT OF PRAYERS THAT HAS BEEN ANSWERED FOR ME BUT IM ONLY GONA TELL YA ABOUT ONE THING,,,I WAS A 320 POUNDER ,MEANER THAN A JUNKYARD DOG THAT USE TO CUSS LIKE 2 MARINES AND A SAILOR,GET DRUNK, EVERY NIGHT,I LIKED TO FIGHT,GOT MY BUTT KICKED A COUPLE TIMES ,STUPID IDIOT!,,I FEEL 30 FOOT OFF A BUILDING THAT I WAS WORKIN ON,I BROKE A LOT OF THINGS ,I WAS OFF WORK FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS BECAUSE OF THAT,ONE NIGHT SHORTLY AFTER MY ACCIDENT SITIN IN MY RECLINER AT HOME WITH A CAST ON ABOUT EVERYTHING .I PICKED UP A BIBLE STARTED READIN IT ,I PRAYED TO GOD TO CHANGE ME STRAIGHTEN OUT MY LIFE CAUSE I WASNT HAPPY WITH IT ,,,MR SNYDER ,I CHANGED OVER NIGHT ,I QUIT DOIN ALL THE THINGS I USE TO DO STOPED CUSSIN AND DRINKIN ,,,AND LET ME TELL YOU THIS ,,,ONLY GOD ,ONLY GOD COULD OF DONE THOSE THINGS .MY LIFE ISNT PERFECT.I STILL DO AND SAY THINGS SOMETIMES I OUGHTENT ..IM JUST A PERSON GOD ANSWERED PRAYERS FOR ...MR SNYDER I DONT KNOW YOU MY FRIEND ,AND YOU DONT KNOW ME ,BUT IM GONA PRAY FOR YA ANYWAY THAT ONE DAY YOU WILL TRUST AND KNOW THAT GOD ANSWERS PRAYER WHAT EVER YOUR VENTURES ARE ,WE WISH THE BEST FOR YOU ,,,,,YOUR BIBLE THUMPIN FRIEND FROM THE RIVERBOTTOM,,,RON

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Bear......

I have had so many prayers answered I cant begin to tell you how many. Saw my mom died three years ago from one of the slowest most agonizing deaths a human could go through. I still believe in God and healing. My mom received the ultimate healing. Because she believed in Jesus, she is spending eternity without pain, without tears, without sorrow, without regrets, eternal peace and joy for ever and ever.
I would trade with her any time. I am looking forward to heaven and cant wait to be there.
Earth aint my home. I am just passing through.

Its hard to understand that, but I know this, when I turned my life over to Jesus I have a peace that passes all understanding.

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Good for you Ron. Now that we've beat the prayer issue to death (and sorry I see no proof in any of your answers) Let me throw this one out to you "thumpers" that are parents.

God is our father and loves us like his children right? But yet if we dont follow "the word" we are condemned to hell.Now which of you can tell me something one of your kids could do that you would condemn them to hell?

Let me see if I can wrap my mind around this. You believe in God, yet struggle with God's ability to, as Ben Franklin put it, "govern in the affairs of man"; or is it that you struggle with God's concern with man?

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Originally posted by Bear
Good for you Ron. Now that we've beat the prayer issue to death (and sorry I see no proof in any of your answers) Let me throw this one out to you "thumpers" that are parents.

God is our father and loves us like his children right? But yet if we dont follow "the word" we are condemned to hell.Now which of you can tell me something one of your kids could do that you would condemn them to hell?

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Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
Let me see if I can wrap my mind around this. You believe in God, yet struggle with God's ability to, as Ben Franklin put it, "govern in the affairs of man"; or is it that you struggle with God's concern with man?

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Originally posted by Bear
HP one last time.I dont believe prayer works.I dont believe god is in control of every thing. I did not respond on this thread to"stir the pot"
Sheep,good for you,if believin all this helped you thats great. However no one has given an example of a prayer being answered by god and not for some other reason(JMO) And sheep dont know if you have kids or not but if so and one "didnt believe you were their father" would you condemn them to hell?Answer honestly!

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Its about sin payment and atonement. We Sin. We die. Period. JESUS is the only way. How shall we escape if we neglect so great a Salvation ??

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Originally posted by Bear
HP one last time.I dont believe prayer works.I dont believe god is in control of every thing. I did not respond on this thread to"stir the pot"
Sheep,good for you,if believin all this helped you thats great. However no one has given an example of a prayer being answered by god and not for some other reason(JMO) And sheep dont know if you have kids or not but if so and one "didnt believe you were their father" would you condemn them to hell?Answer honestly!

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Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
Mr. Snyder, you seem to be jumping on to other subjects before previous subjects are even given proper discussion. Therefore, I beg the question, "Are you really looking for answers, or are you just mad at God for things in your life that didn't work out like you wanted?"

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That's the whole point bear, a miracle is supernatural(attributed to a force beyond scientific explanation) it can't be explained or proven no matter how many sermons you sit in on. We're the silly one? YOU believe in someone who was able to CREATE life and sustain it but deny that deitys omnipotence? I hate to hear of your tough breaks but everyone has em. Everyone will suffer and be broken no matter how great their belief. That's a fact

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Originally posted by Bear
Jason, if you have kids its either yes or no.

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Mr. Snyder, could you show me what you mean by "talking in circles"? I am simply trying to better understand your position. You can rest assured I am not trying to catch you or twist your opinion, however, when, in the course of discussion, your comments are not congruent, I will point that out; not in an attempt to demean you in any way, only to clarify my understanding of your position. You asked for an example of a miracle. My answer is-You. You were created in the image of God.
You are right, I need "hurry off to church", hope you do the same. God bless!