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Posted by monstermash on 10-31-2012 06:57 PM:

god formed the earth 6000 yrs ago ...

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Posted by carlhorseman on 11-01-2012 12:47 AM:

WHO CARES

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 11-01-2012 02:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by corky crowder
THERE ARE THREE EARTH AGES . 1ST EARTH AGE WAS WHEN GOD FRIST MADE EARTH EVERY ONE WAS IN SPEIRTUAL BODYS THATS WHEN SATIN TRYED TO TAKE OVER GOD DESTROID IT TO THE POINT IT BECAME VOID AND WITHOUT FORM THEN COMES 2ND EARTH AGE THE ONE WE LIVE IN . 3THD COMES AFTER ANTI CRIST COMES AND JESUS COMES AND DEFEETS HIM .
FRIST EARTH AGE MILLIONS POSSIBLY BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD
SECOND BETWEEN 5000 10000 YEARS
THIRD WILL LAST FOR EVER
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Posted by southern hunter on 11-01-2012 01:16 PM:

god is not the author of confusion

Seems that there's all kind opinion on this subject , but facts are facts and opinions are opinions and I'm not seeing many facts it says Satan was cast out n utter darkness doesn't say where ,also he wasn't held captive by the water and it says in genesis the earth was void void meaning empty ,desolate,nothing or no one there

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Posted by Ray&Luie on 11-01-2012 01:16 PM:

Old earth

quote:
Originally posted by corky crowder
THERE ARE THREE EARTH AGES . 1ST EARTH AGE WAS WHEN GOD FRIST MADE EARTH EVERY ONE WAS IN SPEIRTUAL BODYS THATS WHEN SATIN TRYED TO TAKE OVER GOD DESTROID IT TO THE POINT IT BECAME VOID AND WITHOUT FORM THEN COMES 2ND EARTH AGE THE ONE WE LIVE IN . 3THD COMES AFTER ANTI CRIST COMES AND JESUS COMES AND DEFEETS HIM .
FRIST EARTH AGE MILLIONS POSSIBLY BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD
SECOND BETWEEN 5000 10000 YEARS
THIRD WILL LAST FOR EVER
IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN GO TO THIS
http://www.shepherdschapel.com/index.htm



Sorry cant go with this either, based purely upon speculation with out solid Biblical foundation or archeological proof , this same teaching believes in space aliens.....

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Posted by skeets on 11-01-2012 09:41 PM:

i have to agree with you mr.ray,it also teaches their were several differnt race on the ark.


Posted by headless01 on 11-01-2012 09:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by carlhorseman
WHO CARES


not enough!!!


Posted by Floyd leopards on 11-01-2012 10:25 PM:

Those on here that believe in the old earth theory (billions of years) do you also believe in evolution being GODs method of creation?

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Posted by Ray&Luie on 11-01-2012 10:27 PM:

Old earth

quote:
Originally posted by skeets
i have to agree with you mr.ray,it also teaches their were several differnt race on the ark.


that must have come from one of the more modern Translations

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Posted by Driveshaft on 11-01-2012 11:19 PM:

i dont attend church like i should but

i do believe these simple words " there is no reward in not believing ". ....


Posted by Floyd leopards on 11-02-2012 12:53 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by vernonsdream
For the people that think the earth is 6000 years old how do you account for dinosaur bones? And fossils that predate written history?
Carbon dating is not accurate. Dinosaurs did not predate man. Dinosaurs and man lived at the same time. Archaeolgists have found many fossilized dinosaur tracks with human foot prints in them.
Gen 1:1 In the BEGINNING GOD created the heavens and the EARTH.
Mark 10:6 JESUS said but from the BEGINNING of creation GOD made them male and female.
The scriptures harmonize. I think to get millions of years you have to import something that I don't see here.
Also in your view doesn't that place death before SIN ??
The wages of sin is death, Adam sinned so therefore you and I have sinned, that's why we owed a sin debt, that only CHRIST could pay.
I Cor 15:21 For since by man came death by man also came resurrection of the dead. The Bible teaches that death occurred after sin.

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Posted by Reezentcs on 11-02-2012 01:29 AM:

Wow


Posted by hillbilly56 on 11-02-2012 01:47 AM:

jmo

the only 1 that could answer that question is watching down on us any 1 who says who cares will care when the lord calls judgement day and they are in eternal hell burning they will care then but its 2 late


Posted by vernonsdream on 11-02-2012 01:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Floyd leopards
Carbon dating is not accurate. Dinosaurs did not predate man. Dinosaurs and man lived at the same time. Archaeolgists have found many fossilized dinosaur tracks with human foot prints in them.
Gen 1:1 In the BEGINNING GOD created the heavens and the EARTH.
Mark 10:6 JESUS said but from the BEGINNING of creation GOD made them male and female.
The scriptures harmonize. I think to get millions of years you have to import something that I don't see here.
Also in your view doesn't that place death before SIN ??
The wages of sin is death, Adam sinned so therefore you and I have sinned, that's why we owed a sin debt, that only CHRIST could pay.
I Cor 15:21 For since by man came death by man also came resurrection of the dead. The Bible teaches that death occurred after sin.


do you believe a persons salvation is also conditional on believing in a young earth?


Posted by longshot on 11-02-2012 02:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by vernonsdream
do you believe a persons salvation is also conditional on believing in a young earth?


You ask Floyd but I'll give my answer too.... NO...

Salvation is based on the ABC's of the Roman Road to Salvation.

A= admit that you have sinned

B= believe that Jesus is Savior and The Son of God

C= Confess with your mouth that you believe.

If you do the ABC's , it don't matter how old the earth is.

Hey Vernon , if you really wanna get some good debates going on , here's a few questions that I imiagine folk won't agree on either.

1. Can a person loose their salvation or is it once saved always saved?

2. Is the Rapture before , during , or after the tribulation or is there no rapture at all ?

3. Which is right theology Calvinism or Armininism ?

Those three questions always have folks on both sides.... But the bottom line and important thing for everyone is still the ABC's for Salvation in my opinion... The rest of it all is just fun debate and mostly meaningless. When we get to Heaven , we can ask God how old the earth is.

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Posted by vernonsdream on 11-02-2012 02:17 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by longshot
You ask Floyd but I'll give my answer too.... NO...

Salvation is based on the ABC's of the Roman Road to Salvation.

A= admit that you have sinned

B= believe that Jesus is Savior and The Son of God

C= Confess with your mouth that you believe.

If you do the ABC's , it don't matter how old the earth is.


I agree, and I hate seeing folks get tied up on things like this when the true message is were saved by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ. I like the ABC's! Thanks for the post Mark, always enjoy them.


I dont want people to think Im being a smart alek or that Im smarter than anyone else. I just like having discussion and respect everyones opinion


Posted by longshot on 11-02-2012 02:20 AM:

I actually like the discussion and there is NO reason for anyone to get mad even if we disagree. It's all good....

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Posted by vernonsdream on 11-02-2012 02:20 AM:

just saw the edit, haha. Those are some really good questions, and as you know, the tough ones! If you really want to know what I think about those I wouldnt mind talking about those either. I love to hear everyones opinion on those ones too


Posted by longshot on 11-02-2012 02:23 AM:

I'd like to see those debated and discussed too Vernon. The only thing is that some people get mad about religious and political post.... The political post do get on my nerves too , but I don't get tired of religion... Maybe it's just me though.

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Posted by Floyd leopards on 11-02-2012 02:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by vernonsdream
do you believe a persons salvation is also conditional on believing in a young earth?


Vernonsdream No we are saved by grace thru faith and that very faith is not ours it is a gift from GOD

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Posted by Rip on 11-02-2012 02:53 AM:

The Bible says a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. I take that to mean that our time and Gods time are two different things. I believe in the literal 6 day creation, but it's time before and after that I don't think we can know accurately. I don't waste my time trying to figgure it out because of this. Only God knows how old the Earth truly is.

PS: The scientists don't know either. One live turtle was dated as a few million years old when they carbon dated his shell that he was alive in LOL.

Science is very inaccurate in this, so far off it's not worth discussing really. It would be like discussing the weather on Nov 1st 2030.

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 11-02-2012 03:00 AM:

There's all kinds of tidbits here and there to support all kinds of theories.

Paul talks about the third heaven ... and in the old Testament there is mention of other versions of the Earth before the one we picture in Genesis.

It don't make alot of sense to take it literal that one day = 1,000 years and assume the EArth is 6,000 years old ... to me , that's doctrine and I'd rather not get into those discussions where folks say what they think God meant , lol ...


Posted by Floyd leopards on 11-02-2012 03:09 AM:

Longshot question 1&3 kind of go hand in hand in away scripture says that GOD has chosen His elect before the foundation of the world(calvinism) and JESUS said no man can come to me unless the Father draws him also those that come to me (JESUS) I will no ways cast out (eternal security).I do not believe in sinless perfection here on earth only in heaven or at the return of our Lord Jesus .CHRIST paid for our sins at Calvary all of them past,present and future ,now don't take this that we have a license to sin ,we war against our flesh everyday
1 JN 1:9 says If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.Salvation is a gift from GOD we did nothing to deserve it .
question 2 the Great Tribulation spoken of in Matt 24,Mark 13 and Luke 21 is past as fortold by CHRIST (mat 24:34) so enlight of that CHRIST ruturns after and when He comes then comes the end when all enemys are put under his feet then returns the Kingdom back to GOD the Father that GOD may be all in all (1 cor 15:20-28)

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Posted by longshot on 11-02-2012 03:28 AM:

Interesting Floyd.. You are absolutely right that 1&3 are linked and I do agree with you on those..

However we disagree on #2... I believe the chain of future events are , Rapture immediately followed by Tribulation , then return of Christ/Millenium reign... I guess I'm Pre tribulation and your Post Tribulation.

I'm sure there are prolly more opinions on this than even the age of earth. LOL. Fire away.

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Posted by chuck west on 11-02-2012 03:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by chuck west
Well i say my belief is Gods time and mans time is 2 totally different times. Gods time is Forever ,while mans time on this Earth is just a blink of an eye in Gods Time , We should make the most of whats allowed us as we walk on His creation ,IMHO
I think Rip is on my wavelength on this,,,,As to how old Earth is i haven't got an ABSOLUTE answer.


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