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Albany is out remember all the coonhunters and all the local people are mad and done with UKC .If you ga boys try real hard maybe the AKC world but that would be like pulling teeth getting it out of the Carolinas.

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I know Ga want ever have a ukc world hunt or major hunt again. Same as I know Arkansas want.

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Michael Ghorley

It is Arkansas wont not want.Not a big deal to us Arkansas folks have dog power will travel.Next stop winter classics in Mississippi 1.5 hours from the house.

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Dmbaker3 - I completely agree! Who could possibly think that you could determine a dog's worth, much less relative worth compared to 3 others, on one coon!?!

David Schmidt [/B]

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I bin wondering how thick the racoons might be in Central Park Down Town New York City. Specially wondering if we might get a permit. I'd like to get me a Balcony seat at the Waldorft Ass storya and take it all in. That would be something there I could tell the Grandchilds about. Then, maybe take in a play on Broadway.

ghosthunter50 - you read it right, but didn't interpret it correctly. You can judge who was the best dog on one track, for that track, but are we really to make a decision on a National Grand Night Champion, Triple Crown (I guess that could be 3 coon) or World Champion, by the results of one coon. And more importantly how the dogs were called on one coon???

You don't have to have a bunch of split trees, or any split trees, but if we were to make a decision on the performance of one track, and the handlers skill at calling the dog on only one track (no margin for error) then heck, us Mid-westerners might as well reduce our 2 hour hunts to 15 minutes!

If you want to take the luck out of it, meaning the first dog that happened to head a mile in the right direction, first, then you should be able to count on the performance on multiple trees (split or not).

David Schmidt

So here is my question....

Why move it around? It is pretty obvious that we are never going to agree to "the perfect" location, or at least one that is going to suit everyone..... but what if you at least knew where the hunt would be, year in and year out?

Do you think that this would impact the overall entries for the hunt? I'm not talking about the hundred or so dogs that always seem to make their way to the finals, despite where it is held. I'm talking about the RQE entry numbers.

I don't know for sure, but there is a lot of speculation that RQE entries "shift" from one area to the next, depending on where the finals are held each year. If the finals are in Indiana for example, the RQE entries in Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky, and Illinois increase. If the finals are in say Louisiana, the RQE entries in the states mentioned above DROP, and I would anticipate that entries in the states surrounding LA would increase....

So...what if you knew that the World hunt was in X state, each year for a set number of years, would it make you more or less inclined to attempt to get a dog qualified.

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
So here is my question....

Why move it around? It is pretty obvious that we are never going to agree to "the perfect" location, or at least one that is going to suit everyone..... but what if you at least knew where the hunt would be, year in and year out?

Do you think that this would impact the overall entries for the hunt? I'm not talking about the hundred or so dogs that always seem to make their way to the finals, despite where it is held. I'm talking about the RQE entry numbers.

I don't know for sure, but there is a lot of speculation that RQE entries "shift" from one area to the next, depending on where the finals are held each year. If the finals are in Indiana for example, the RQE entries in Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky, and Illinois increase. If the finals are in say Louisiana, the RQE entries in the states mentioned above DROP, and I would anticipate that entries in the states surrounding LA would increase....

So...what if you knew that the World hunt was in X state, each year for a set number of years, would it make you more or less inclined to attempt to get a dog qualified.

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I like where your head is at Joe.

I dont have any proof, but it has always seemed to me there is a very lage concentration of active competition hunters in the IN and surounding states area, seconded by the North east region of the country.

I dont live in either.....But it only makes sense to me to have the world hunt easily accessable to these two areas.

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Originally posted by JEFF EMBRY
i was there some of the local hunters said the weather had changed so fast the coons were not moving. the week before we got there it was in the 90s and i dont think it got above the mid 70s during the day and in the lower 60s at night. 0ne of the cast score on two coons and seen four setting up they said thats where the final cast hunted on saturday night. a couple of the cast came in with min points the first round not that they didnt see a coon couldnt overcome the min. second round had 2 or 3 that didnt score a coon by themselve i know no man said his dog just wouldnt go hunting. had a lot of fun just a long drive 8 hours. but i would do it again at the same place. hope to see some of u at the next world hunt maybe it willbe in my backyard here in KY.

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Originally posted by l.lyle
I bin wondering how thick the racoons might be in Central Park Down Town New York City. Specially wondering if we might get a permit. I'd like to get me a Balcony seat at the Waldorft Ass storya and take it all in. That would be something there I could tell the Grandchilds about. Then, maybe take in a play on Broadway.

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I WONDER HOW MANY DOGS GOT STRUCK IN IN THOSE DEAD CAST. I ALWAYS FELT LIKE IF THE GUIDE PUT YOU IN A PLACE THAT YOUR HOUND COULD STRIKE A COON TRACK HIS JOB WAS DONE. NOT THE GUIDES FAULT THE DOGS CANT TREE A COON IF THEY IN FACT STRUCK IN ON ONE. THE PROBLEM LOTS OF TIME IS'NT THE THIN COON POPULATION . ITS HOUNDS THAT CANT TAKE THAT COLD TRACK AND SHOW YOU A COON AT THE END. WHEN IN THICK COON MOST HOUNDS WILL FIND ONE HOT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO TREE BUT IN THIN COON YOU BETTER BE PACKING ONE THAT CAN TAKE THEM AS THEY COME TO THEM. JMO

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BOBBY TARLTON

Well this world hunt being a trophy hunt i see no need for it to be in tha same place every year just for coon population .I like the ideal of it being moved around gives others a chance to hunt in it.

Lee the same hunt the last three years you say are you talking about the bench show part since you said you have only hunted in one hunt ever.

Lee i read your post before you deleted it and that is the point i was making.lol.You didnt answer my question either.

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You have already narrowed it down to the best of the best. So why shouldn't they be rewarded with lots of coon. I guess the bass masters could throw a couple bass in a catfish pond and run around till somebody comes across one. Does that really show talent.

I like it around Sullivan personally. Good many coon there but not tripping on one another I don't think. Could expect to tree one and some places have big enough woods for these southern dogs to get stretched out. Move it there and leave it.

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Michael Ghorley

Are all tracks "cold" down south? I've heard this alot; before and after the world hunt location was determined.

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Originally posted by T Felderman
Are all tracks "cold" down south? I've heard this alot; before and after the world hunt location was determined.

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no

we have hot tracks too, and layups lol

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I'm not sure if it's the type of dog I hunt, or the type of hunting I'm accustomed to, but there seems to be a huge disconnect between what I envision taking place in the woods, and what I see people eluding to on these posts... this thread and others.

What I see in the hunts, is four high-strung independent coon dogs, that leave us like a rocket and by the time they get out and away from us, are usually heading in different directions.

One of them finds a track first, and even if the others were inclined to join in on it (many around here would not) they have to now get to the part of the woods that dog is located (could be 100s of yards away) and join in. And by then, the coon may be treed already.

So if you are OK with judging dogs on just one coon, then you must be OK with:

- dogs me-tooing
- the fact that the first strike dog simply, by random chance was the first to encounter a coon track
- and that if the others didn't have their nose up that one's rear end, they have to hurry up and cut across the woods to join in, to get a piece of the tree.

Or... you don't want me-too dogs, and you want a dog capable of treeing a coon without help, and therefore there's a necessity of two coon to be in the same region as one another, hopefully in ear-shot, so you don't have to call time-out before someone trees, because dogs are heading in opposite directions!

I also assume that not every track starts at the coon's tail, so more often than not, your dog is going to cut a track that is quite old, and will take some time to figure out. And then, if it's the only track in the woods, you have the problems I stated above. Or... you stack the odds in your favor, and cut your dog in a woods with a lot of coon and tracks, and increase your odds of a dog cutting a track that is hot, or finding one on the way.

Now I can hear, those folks saying, "I want my dog to finish the track they started, not leaving for a hotter one!" and to those people, I must ask, have you ever watched coon??? I often see them from my tree stand, in the early morning hours. In fact I watched two, not that long ago... those two coon wandered all over the place, this way and that and back again. Often times they crossed their own tracks, as well as each others, as they made it through the woods. So I really struggle with the concept that a dog should guarantee that they finish the exact track they start... unless of course, your coon are miles apart, then they really don't have a choice!

David Schmidt

I think it should be rotated north and south. Giving everyone a shot. I don't wanna drive 10 hrs to a big hunt everytime!

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Originally posted by Lee Currens Jr.
i dont know i have q mine at the same place the last 3yrs.
how many 1st or given at a rqe?

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Originally posted by jculler8
How'd you do at the zones last 3 years then? Make it to the finals any? Sounds like you got 1 heck of a coon tree-er to qualify 3 straight years!

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Originally posted by Lee Currens Jr.
there is only 1 winner and thousands of loser if cant afford to play stay home.

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Originally posted by bob country jr
Great advice from someone who does not hunt any of the hunts.

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Iowa

Just so i got it in there

My reason so i dont have to drive very far and well thats about it! Lol

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