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Posted by bakins on 08-19-2012 03:46 PM:

victor

we feed victor my dogs coats are healthier they have more energy and very little cleanup

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Posted by Virgil on 08-19-2012 03:50 PM:

Re: Re: dogfoodadvisor.com

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Originally posted by 1deadeye
Diamond Naturals dog food receives the Advisor’s second-highest rating of four stars.

Having fed that stuff I can say that the only Diamond Naturals food worth feeding is the Extreme Athlete. The other feeds in that line are just overpriced and don't perform any better than Dog Chow. The Extreme Athlete is good feed though.

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Posted by trackntreeman on 08-19-2012 05:47 PM:

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son of a gun. my 5 month old pup has a bald spot starting on his hip. its about the size of a silver $. hes getting the lamb & rice puppy formula. the others are all on chicken and rice and look ok.

x2 , was feeding purple in pink bag of puppy to my speck female and she done the same thing on both hips , i think its something in the diamond feeds that does it , i swapped her to pride in the lime green bag chicken n rice 21/17 and put some anti biotic spray on her and hair was back in two weeks . i feed purina dog chow for years until they raised the price and cut the bags to 44.1 lb bags . i like pride feed myself .

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Posted by nick miller on 08-19-2012 06:20 PM:

Purina is all I use here also, like most ive tried other feeds and when it gets to be a pain to get it and the same bag changes in color and performance from one order to the next i always go crawling back! Im with purina to stay! Cant wait to try the new feed when it hit store shelves in my area.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 08-20-2012 01:35 PM:

I have never had much faith at all in a dog food advisor writing. Just like anything else, the so called independence of the study can be tainted by the money the companies pay to the surveyor.

I have tested them all in our area, and there is not one that can stand beside Purina Pro Plan Performance when it comes to keeping a hound healthy and ready to perform when you need it too. Oh yes, there are those who will charge you more for a so called "meat" bag of food, but when it is time to perform, the hound just does not have what it could have it it was fed Performance. Me? I'll keep feeding mine what i have tested myself and know to be what my hounds like and need. Forget the fact that the company supports this sport very heavily. Yep, for me, its PURINA or nothing.

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Posted by patches9452 on 08-20-2012 03:02 PM:

i have been feeding the native level 3 and havent had any more trouble with my dogs heating up.... ran out and the truck doesnt run until tomorrow and bought a sack of diamond extreme athelete and they are already heating up in less than 10 days on it... buy it by the skid and its a little less than 30 bucks a sack

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 08-20-2012 05:29 PM:

You boys must be really in tune with your dogs to be able to notice the subtle changes from different feeds. Is the feed the only variable you use to evaluate the dogs temperature?

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Posted by patches9452 on 08-20-2012 06:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Ashbaugh
You boys must be really in tune with your dogs to be able to notice the subtle changes from different feeds. Is the feed the only variable you use to evaluate the dogs temperature?

no i dont use the feed to evaluate it i use the results it produces.... if they heat up on one feed and dont on another seems clear enough for me without all the scientific data or test

Posted by RatDog on 08-20-2012 07:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Ashbaugh
You boys must be really in tune with your dogs to be able to notice the subtle changes from different feeds. Is the feed the only variable you use to evaluate the dogs temperature?

Yeah, I'm starting to think the same...Every once in awhile I get sucked into thinking I need to be spending more money and buying "high end" feed. Did recently switched to Purina Dog Chow and think i'll stick with it. I'll be honest , I have not been hunting hard lately, but one thing I notice is the first and second drop my dogs act like they're ready to die, but if I push a third and fourth drop, they actually settle down and dont act stressed at all. Seems wierd. A buddy of mine has feed the dog chow for years and he hunts as hard as anybody with good results.

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Posted by Larry D Walker on 08-20-2012 07:28 PM:

Feed

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
and what feed would you recomend?

i am feeding a new feed from sports Mix, hard to find but it is excellant

23/14 lamb and rice all natural, no corn an no soy, your sports mix dealer probly doesnt even know it exists.

Your kennel will be clean, your dog healthy and they will not over heat.

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 08-20-2012 07:34 PM:

So do you take the dogs temperature, or do a beats per minute on the heart rate or count the pants per minute?

how exactly do you tell that the dog is hotter on one food than the other? I would think that in most parts of the country in august a dog that is running and treeing would be hot. On certain foods do they act the same out hunting as they do just laying in the yard?

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Posted by patches9452 on 08-20-2012 07:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Ashbaugh
So do you take the dogs temperature, or do a beats per minute on the heart rate or count the pants per minute?

how exactly do you tell that the dog is hotter on one food than the other? I would think that in most parts of the country in august a dog that is running and treeing would be hot. On certain foods do they act the same out hunting as they do just laying in the yard?

he does not pant on the native at all will tree solid for hours.... when he heats up on the other he will get minused because he will shut up and when you pull him off the tree he will find water and just lay down in it.... with the native you pull him off the tree he goes hunting like he should... this was in july when temps were pushing 100 at night and hes heating up in august on the diamond and the temps are 20 degrees cooler... thats all the proof i need

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 08-20-2012 08:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
he does not pant on the native at all will tree solid for hours.... when he heats up on the other he will get minused because he will shut up and when you pull him off the tree he will find water and just lay down in it.... with the native you pull him off the tree he goes hunting like he should... this was in july when temps were pushing 100 at night and hes heating up in august on the diamond and the temps are 20 degrees cooler... thats all the proof i need

Interesting. Funny a feed makes that much difference. I have fed a buch of different kinds but have never even seen Native in this area. The dog I happen to have now hunts harder than I can night in and night out with whatever I put in the food bowl so I never really thought that much about it. Good info though.

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Posted by old ben on 08-20-2012 08:23 PM:

Question How long does 50lbs last ya ???

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Posted by Cynthia on 08-21-2012 03:55 PM:

Ive been on purina one and will have to start finding something else - diamond not an option.

bags are now 31.1# and 16.5#, prices the same.
sams has lamb/rice 44# for $35 and dog chow 50# for $25. did see some dog chow 32# bags as well.

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Posted by Virgil on 08-21-2012 04:35 PM:

Been feeding this new feed for a couple days now. So far I have noticed the dogs seem to like it better than the Dog Chow, even my one female that is a picky eater has finished her feed completely for two days in a row instead of nibbling on it all throughout the day. Stool still solid as well.

I have also noticed just looking at the feed it just looks better, not as dry as the Dog Chow and darker in color.

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 08-21-2012 05:07 PM:

I am feeding the hi-standard premium. ITs $24 for 40 and I feed the dog 20 oz. The dog maintains its weight and hunts till the cows come home . Its easy for me to get and I just love the place I buy it.

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 08-21-2012 05:31 PM:

Re: victor

quote:
Originally posted by prostockpat
is simply the best!!
if u don't try it,its because of habit and/or your afraid to change.
too many recalls with "other co."
tried victor,won't go back.feed less, get more.
feeding a 63 lb female walker 25oz. a day.still put on weight.could be cut back more.
shine like a new dime,less stool,more energy.
40 lb bag ,feed less{no filler;corn/or soy}.works out the same as 50lb. of others.

Is the number 2 ingredient (whole grain sorghum) in Victor not a filler? Not trying to stir the pot, I just am of the mindset all dog foods have fillers. Some seem to be better than others for reasons unknown to me. Rice & Sorghum may be more digestable & higher in fiber than corn, soy, wheat, etc.

On a side note, I had the same experience Hoosierman1 did on the Extreme Athlete from Diamond. Dog heated up big time, I did not care for it. I guess many dogs do well on it, I had one that did not.

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Posted by Matt McKinney on 08-21-2012 10:41 PM:

I feed the Sportmix 26/18 in the winter, and dog chow in summer. I agree that the diamond is about the worst food around, everytime I have tried to feed my dogs any of the diamond, they crap everywhere the whole time they eat it.

Posted by Native Rep on 08-23-2012 05:14 AM:

Call me, Brandon White at 563-299-0326 or emaile at Brandon.white@kngpet.com for information on Native dog food.

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Posted by R and D Kennels on 10-16-2012 02:14 AM:

Guys I am going to state something about high protein.

Are you aware that not only do Greyhounds diets consists of 30% plus protein they are also fed raw beef mixed in. They aren't dropping dead with heat exhaustion nor are they ate up with hotspots.

Now, I am actually certified in nutrition, I wish not to debate this. But I will state that I have ran beagles, coonhounds, swim dogs(greyhound cross) field trial dogs (greyhound cross) and full blood track dogs. I am quite versed on what the rest of the sporting dog world is doing. I cant figure out why the coonhunters and beaglers still debate canine nutrition why do the endurance /money paying sport dogs people have it right ?. As for grains in the feed, the argument always evolves from dogs having meat tearing(canines) this is true, however,dd wild canines have and do go to the gut for their meal. Guess what those animals eat that are killed ? that's right, grains, grasses etc.

For the record I do not promote Purina.

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Posted by countryboys on 10-16-2012 02:30 AM:

for about 10 years all I fed was Black Gold till our distributor went out of buisiness.So I have been feeding Purina Dog Chow now for 3 years and I like it and my dogs love it. Clean up is easy. So todday I decided to try the new feed from Purina. we will see how it goes.

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Posted by cody jaster on 10-16-2012 03:43 AM:

Atten r&d kennels... I'll give you a break since u live in Ohio. You obviously have never hunted your dogs (I'd day any dogs) in 100 plus degrees at night. I ve been hunting for 30 years and I know what I've seen with my own two eyes. I've had dogs that were grn note champs that had NO reverse in them flat out over heat in that type of weather. Quit, you might say, Treeing after about 10 - 15 mins on the tree. Breathing so hard (heaving) they could catch there breath. The only thing they want was water, period. At that time I was feeding black gold (black bag) and stopped feeding it. Went down to a lower protein lower fat content and never had that problem again. Seen this happen many times since too. I'm not a nutritionist I'm a realist. Realistically over heating can and will happen in dogs in that heat eating high protein whatever the brand.

Posted by Jackson87 on 10-16-2012 04:00 AM:

I must be feedin a differant kind of Diamond?My dogs look better,hunt harder,dont overheat and have solid stools....Diamond Naturals is the Best feed ive tried.

Posted by Robert Tracy Crockett on 10-16-2012 12:16 PM:

Wellness

I feed wellness its costly but my hounds are well worth it. The best way I found in choosing a food was to look at the best products on the market (meat based) and try them until I got the best results and then stayed with it. Maybe adding 2 fingers of can made by the same company every now and again for a sort of happy meal. The thing I tried to do is to just fine what works best for my hounds.

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