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Posted by john Duemmer on 08-01-2012 12:20 AM:

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Originally posted by TQS_Kennel
How will it be any different than running a tracking collar and a seperate e-collar in a hunt?

Because if you run a ecollar in a hunt you are not allowed to carry the transmitter. If you cant carry the handheld in a hunt its useless to retrive your dog during timeout or at the end of the hunt unless you return to the truck.

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Posted by JiM on 08-01-2012 12:21 AM:

The prongs have always been removable. They always gave us two sets, long and short prongs.

Rule 20...." Transmitters for electronic training collars must be left in vehicle........"

Prongs or no prongs, you carry that Alpha on your belt , you are scratched and possibly barred.
UKC doesn't change rules. The breed associations do that and they only do it every 3 years.

How do you get around all that? You don't.

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Posted by JiM on 08-01-2012 12:26 AM:

It looks to me like a fantastic training aid. I don't train at nite hunt events. If I couldn't use anything beyond a QuickTrack radio collar in the hunts, I wouldn't care. But those other 5 nights a week, I'm not giving up my Garmin for nothing.

Posted by john Duemmer on 08-01-2012 12:28 AM:

OK so they dont change the rule they (REINTERPRET) lol.

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Posted by JiM on 08-01-2012 12:45 AM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
OK so they dont change the rule they (REINTERPRET) lol.

Anything is possible. Heck, they allow trackers to be used in the HTX.

Posted by Randy Howard on 08-01-2012 12:46 AM:

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Originally posted by mattkiser269
Im pretty sure the prongs are designed to be removed for that very reason (the hunts)

I believe they have short and long prongs for changing, didn't see where it said take em out for the hunts, plus it has a tone even if you remove the prongs some dogs will respond to tone? jmo, should have made the shocking portion removable like the sportdog TEK think it is removable?I feel if they change the rules it should be as the garmin now turned off,and change the rules where durring time outs you can use the E collar along with tracking and gathering your hound to recast before the hour,cure all the problem jmo

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Posted by JiM on 08-01-2012 12:54 AM:

I would sure hate to see them go to changing rules every time a manufacturer upgrades it's product. I think that would be a very bad habit to get into.

Posted by GA DAWG on 08-01-2012 01:10 AM:

You can't even use a phone as a time piece. Everybody has a phone pretty much. I don't see how they could change for these collars. I could even message my buddy stuff on it lol.

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Posted by HOBO on 08-01-2012 02:32 AM:

This one actually comes with a cover to put over where the prongs go.. Also the tone is way louder on this unit than any Tri-Tronics.

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Posted by cbcoonskinner on 08-01-2012 03:12 AM:

When are we going to hear from the rest of the field tester's or are you guys still sworn to secrecy?

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Posted by K. Singletary on 08-01-2012 03:56 AM:

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Originally posted by Mark Zepp
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Garmin will continue to produce and sell the Astro 320 and DC 40 and I am sure they will, as they have always done, continue to make improvements on those products as well.

I think that is your question, right?

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Mark

Yes, Mr. Zepp, that was my question, thank you very much for the information.

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Posted by TQS_Kennel on 08-01-2012 03:57 AM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Because if you run a ecollar in a hunt you are not allowed to carry the transmitter. If you cant carry the handheld in a hunt its useless to retrive your dog during timeout or at the end of the hunt unless you return to the truck.

I see, Thanks John Duemmer

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Posted by Virgil on 08-01-2012 04:11 AM:

Looks like at least one of the KC's will be working on the rules to allow these in hunts. This was posted on the ProHound board today.

Re: New unit from garmin...
by Mark Zepp ť Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:58 am

Good Morning Fellas!

I think you will find that the good folks at PKC will have the rules addressed by the time the Alpha is available.... there has been a considerable amount of thought that has gone into all areas of this project.

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Posted by HOBO on 08-01-2012 04:13 AM:

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Originally posted by cbcoonskinner
When are we going to hear from the rest of the field tester's or are you guys still sworn to secrecy?

Highly unlikely since Garmin's Press Release.

Posted by Tim MACHA on 08-01-2012 04:15 AM:

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Originally posted by HOBO
Highly unlikely since Garmin's Press Release.

You lucky dog. I never got invited to the party this time. Guess I was a bum tester. lol

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Posted by Jim Hill on 08-01-2012 04:33 AM:

of course they came out with a new one since i just bought a 320 two days ago

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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 08-01-2012 05:05 AM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
If they cant be used in the hunts they are sure to flop. But i suspect the KCs. will amend their rules to allow them with the prongs removed. Time will tell.

I AGREE,SEEING HOW GARMIN AND TRITRONICS ARE VERY MUCH APART OF UKC AND PKC I SEE A CHANGE COMING AS IT SHOULD....

Posted by JiM on 08-01-2012 05:46 AM:

I just got to check one out tonite. They are a very impressive outfit. They have many features that are not mentioned in any of the press releases I saw. Didn't do any kind of testing, just saw it used on a normal coon hunt. These Alphas are not an ungrade of the 320 Astro, they are a completely new and different unit. Definitely takes training to the next level.

Posted by Dwils on 08-01-2012 06:06 AM:

Went hunting with Jim and Mark tonight . Definitely a cool system . Alot more features. Great design. Definitely a training tool . Is not an upgrade, totally different than the Astros . Definitely a fancy tool!

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Posted by JiM on 08-01-2012 01:12 PM:

It actually operates much like my Razr Maxx smartphone. I'll prolly just wait for the Android app to come out.

Posted by Mark Zepp on 08-01-2012 01:41 PM:

I even forgot to tell you one of the nicest features.... the Handheld is rechargeable!!!

No more AA's or taking the batteries out of the handheld to recharge them!!

Mark

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Posted by Smoke on 08-01-2012 04:54 PM:

Does the handheld last longer since it's rechargable??

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Posted by toe cutter on 08-01-2012 05:47 PM:

i'll keep my 220 and 320 with the dc 30 collars. they do everything i need them to do. the big killer for me is when they included anything with the tri tronics name on it. i dont care if garmin or the moon man owns tri tronics now. that will be the first thing that lays down in the alpha system.

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Posted by old ben on 08-01-2012 09:06 PM:

iam done aint going to upgrade the upgrade jmo,,have at it

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Posted by Jacob Garrett on 08-01-2012 10:48 PM:

The not working with my Dc collars and $300 for the new collars is a deal breaker for me. That is getting crazy for a tracking collar!

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