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When did I mention hound history, other than bringing up the photos of old hounds that you're always posting as a way of trying to legitimize yourself? Those old hounds look allot more like the registered coonhound breeds than the big ole wrinkly things you're pushing.

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mjfloras

Have you ever hunted a Majestic or owned one. Why do you seem so defensive about a Majestic. All dogs evolved over time from crossbreeding to make it what it is today. It took time and breeding to make a specific breed. You do need to read up on your history.

Yes it is a UKC board but it is also a hound board for people who hunt and the last time we took our Majestics with our walkers, english and gascons they all hunted perfectly. They all struck, opened and finished it out. What is the problem? All you are talking about is a registration number. Let's talk about abilities and getting the job done. If your hound gets it done then it gets it done know matter how you see it. That is what hunting is about.

Discrimination is a bad thing even in the hunting world.

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I have nothing against these Majestic Hounds. One thing I do wonder about though has kind of been touched on with this thread. If Majestics are going to be an honest to goodness "breed" rather than a "type" then sooner or later they are going to have to stop breeding in bloodhound and breed already registered Majestics to other already registered Majestics. Is this already being done? I have been hearing about them for a good number of years now. Where are the Majestics bred from two or three generations of other Majestics? It has to be that way to truly be a "breed". Other than that, I think they are cool looking ol dogs and if they float your boat, go for it lol....I wouldn't want one, but I ain't gonna give somebody any grief if they choose to pursue them as their dog of choice.

Good luck and good hunting to all....

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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Because of His Breeding he is Huge !! a true Old line Bluetick
Thus is much to large to Single reg. as a Bluetick..

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jackbob42

You may have been bear hunting for 35 years but that doesn't confirm you knowing everyone in the book. There are plenty who hunt with Majestics. They are out west and up north. They hunt big game. They are bred out of Del Camerons hounds and others. I know this is a predominantly a coon hunting forum but if you explore the big game forums you will find more people who enjoy hunting with their Majestics.

As far as establishing the breed so that one Majestic is bred to another that is a the process. It takes many years of finalizing what you want a hound to look like and if it takes more for one to another than so be it. All hounds started with crossbreeding to establish what was considered the breed. It makes me wonder if all the others such as curs, blueticks etc had to forego so much bashing.

I admire PW for being such an upstanding individual and true comrade in the field of hunting and what it is really about...hunting. You are truly an individual who has respect for others and their hounds. It makes you wonder is hunting about numbers, competition or is it really about the skill and ability of a hound to do his job.

We have Gascons, Majestics, Walkers, Plots and English hounds and enjoy hunting them all. Granted our Majestic due seem to enjoy tracking a coon but they do prefer a bigger challenge such a bear or mountain lion. Bigger smell and more grit.

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Well , if their all that , lets see some pics and videos of them working wild live game !

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Originally posted by jthompson


As far as establishing the breed so that one Majestic is bred to another that is a the process. It takes many years of finalizing what you want a hound to look like and if it takes more for one to another than so be it. All hounds started with crossbreeding to establish what was considered the breed. It makes me wonder if all the others such as curs, blueticks etc had to forego so much bashing.

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Originally posted by jthompson


Yes it is a UKC board but it is also a hound board for people who hunt and the last time we took our Majestics with our walkers, english and gascons they all hunted perfectly. They all struck, opened and finished it out. What is the problem? All you are talking about is a registration number. Let's talk about abilities and getting the job done. If your hound gets it done then it gets it done know matter how you see it. That is what hunting is about.

Discrimination is a bad thing even in the hunting world.

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Originally posted by bearhunter
NKC has been reg. majestics for close to 30 years.Seems to me that ought to be enough time to establish the breed. And like Bob I want to see the "proof" All Ive ever seen is "yard" work.And pics with dead "off" game.

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This is funny as I see it! All hounds of today with the exception of the plott were at once cross bred. But then they only crossed the cross with a cross! I dont have a majestic or have ever see one or hunted one, but they could sure compete in the acha hunts and I sure dont see any one hunting them in those hunts at all! So that tells me that they prob arent suited for comp hunts! Now I would like to have a good lookin bluetick majestic pup just to try out! And if he made it I would comp hunt him just to see how he would fair! But since I have never seen one around here its prob not in the cards for me to try one. lol

We are holding a acha hunt in Enid, ok on April 19 2008 I would love to see some one bring one of these creatures to hunt in this hunt. So if any one around okla, ks or ar has one bring him on if you won the hunt you would surely have some big bragging rights! lol

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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Here is about 6 hours of Majestic Tree Hounds ?Hunting and treeing

http://www.allhorn.com/DVD_titles.php#Nahanni

Here is a Link to a Fellow that hunted with "A Pup Majestic Tree Hound" (my breeding) This is a Non Bisas Account From a Guided Hunter " But he is a Hound Hunter " Stright Forward

http://www.biggamehoundsmen.com/for...opic.php?t=2832

Now do you want more ??

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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Here is about 6 hours of Majestic Tree Hounds ?Hunting and treeing

http://www.allhorn.com/DVD_titles.php#Nahanni

Here is a Link to a Fellow that hunted with "A Pup Majestic Tree Hound" (my breeding) This is a Non Bisas Account From a Guided Hunter " But he is a Hound Hunter " Stright Forward

http://www.biggamehoundsmen.com/for...opic.php?t=2832

Now do you want more ??

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my english hounds cross to both walker and blueticks in ther 7 gen ped but in all fairness all blueticks and walkers have english blood in them as well

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Originally posted by jamesd
my english hounds cross to both walker and blueticks in ther 7 gen ped but in all fairness all blueticks and walkers have english blood in them as well

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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
You need some History lessons also !! Just because they Were called "English" has no bearing at all on their Liniage !!

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Majestics knows everything about hound history. Everyone knows that God made first made Adam and Eve, and they had a magestic curled up at their feet at night.

Magestics, you should make a magestic lite version and breed some weiner dog with your bloodhound mixes for people living in the city. Better yet, cross some poodle with your blood hound mixes so people with alergies can still have a hound to look at.

Isn't there a bloodhound board somewhere?...the people there might be more impressed with your mutts and history lessons. You're getting pretty silly over here.

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tell me how it is that these Majestic "breeders/puppy farms" have come to believe that dogs from the 1920's, 30's, and 40's are so much better than what we have today? how many of you were around to hunt with them? i"m sure most of you are taking your word from hard hunting houndsman of that era that are no probably too old and feeble to hunt enough with the hounds of today to even base an opinion on them. i hunted with some of those old trailing type dogs you all brag on, and if you want to go back to working tracks until daylight without getting treed and being lucky to tree 3 coons a week then you boys have at it! old timers bred away from that junk for a reason.

wow, all this because of a certain breed of dogs a man prefers to hunt and promote?. also mjflores if you could please refresh my memory with your reliable sources that told u kong hunted like a house of fire? that was there first lie to you, kong leaves u the same way every night, every drop.!! never like a house of fire!!! i repeat never!!! and i campaigned kong in the hunts and boys i got a pretty good memory, and i wish i could remember a 2 night hunt he was entered in? and as far asu being shocked and not breeding him to majestics female, is the diffrence between u and i!!! i am not afraid to help someone out who is trying to improve what they hunt, were u just as shocked when 95% of the stud dogs in the country r getting bred to a different breed then what they r ? and every one has there own opinion, that is the great thing about this world, but just remember the only one any dog has to please is the one feeding it!!! also once again check with your sources you may not put as much trust in them next time!!!

I was very clear on what I said. I stated what I had heard people say about Kong. These people have hunted against him and had mostly good thing to report. They did say his size was his fault. Are you saying he doesn't tire quicker than his competition? Dogs that are probably 30 to 40 pounds lighter? I will take your word for it if you are, you obviously know your hound better than anyone.

Just to be clear, I like Kong. He's a nice looking hound as I've said many times. I'd be proud to have him. He's proven himself in the woods where it counts.

As for opinions, we are both very different people and have very different philosophy on breeding...and no I don't consider myself to be a breeder. I would have never allowed that breeding to occur. As stated halfway through the official UKC Breeders Code of Ethics, "Before entering into any breeding arrangement, I will scrutinize the pedigree, conformation and WORKING potential of both the sire and dam, keeping in mind the ideal of the breed. I have an obligation to refuse the breeding if, in my opinion, it is not in the best interest of the breed." My question was, and still is...how did breeding Kong to a bloodhound help the Walker breed? It didn't help the Majestic breed either, because the breeding took place between a Walker GRNTCH and a bloodhound/mix. It's none of my business, but I do retain the right to be very surprised that it took place and to still be surprised now. Please dont think I'm trying to be malicious toward you as that is not my intent at all. That's just a difference between two people's ideas on things. If you agree with crossing GrNtCh's to junk, and simply calling a Mutt a Magestic because of it's size with no regard to it's performance, then I wish you both luck. We can still have different opinions about things...that's what makes the world go round.

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I am not a member of some UKC or whatever but I've personally seen these " crossbreeds" hunt. And they aren't slow hounds. They maybe huge animals, but I don't believe its all the breed or breeding of the dog. A lot has to do with training. I've seen a golden retriever tree coons and out perform "coon hounds"! I don't understand why someone has to be attacked because they like a breed of dog or "crossbreed" as they're being called. How do you know Majestic is running a puppy farm?? Have you seen his set up??

Mike I know you haven't been messin with Hounds very long. And you don't Comp. Hunt with the Hounds you have bought..

But you Must konw that their are People out their that Make their only Living that Feeds their Families with these Hounds..



And Some use Only Majestic Tree Hounds to do it. Their Big And Beautiful And Do their Job very well..

Now I was ask to do a special breeding For some Big Game Guides.. And they wanted my Proven Female to be Bred to Kong ..

I told Mr. German want I was planing and Why and had shown him At the Grand American 2007, my hounds. And the Papers on my Female.. And I thank him so much for allowing Us to breed to Kong. For the way Kong Hunts is what the Big Game Guides were looking for .. Size has to do with his Bone Density of his Fore legs .. The Guides Wanted something heavier than what they can find today. With his Yadkin/Nailor back ground of fine Proven Big Game Hounds was the next important item..

These Hounds Run in High Wolf Areas they have to be big...

I have never sold a pup on this Site that I know of. Nor have I ever Advertised Pups being for sale..

Yet every Litter is Sold out before they ever hit the ground..

Like It or Not Mike More and More people are wanting these Hounds ..

And if you don't like the Idea Of Kongs Breeding well just Hold On Cuz your not going to Like Whats Coming Up Next !!

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That blue dog in Majestics pic is a wicked looking dude! I would like to try one of these blue hounds just to see what happens! So if you got any blues around okla holler at me!

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mjflores, first of all u first said you got your info from sources that u trust, know u r saying u overheard it ? second question, as far as kong tireing quicker than his competition, i couldnt tell ya if he would, cause he usually is treed by himself !!!maybe cause he is slower and treed coons behind the not so big dogs(lol) i can tell ya that i never had to stop hunting him cause he was tired! and ask your sources who won the night they hunted against him? i know i won 80% of the casts he was in, so explain how his size is his fault? now as far as breeding kong to a blooddhound/walker, that wasnt done to improve the walker breed that was done by majestic to improve his line of dogs, same as when u breed a english female to a walker male that is done to improve the english breed!!! its called basics, u breed into your dogs what u need !!! i would have to say that what majestic did worked for him considering he had 13 pups and 11 of them were sold to hunters before they were 3 wks old!!! you also may wanna find out how much homework majestic did on kong and his pups before he bred, he contacted majority of people that had kong pups!!! also in the words of webster a opinion is a belief stronger than impression and less stronger than POSITIVE KNOWLEDGE, or a statement by a EXPERT AFTER CAREFUL STUDY!!!!!
thank you

can i just ask you all something what happens if your breed

Majestic To Majestic
the one on the left of the blue Majestic is a nice one wouldnt mind trying one steve i just wish i had that kinda cash to throw away on a 8 week old pup my lady would kill me

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