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Posted by Skinner on 12-11-2005 06:44 PM:

See Josh you're taking shots and avoiding the question. Who supplied Bush with this information?

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Posted by josh on 12-11-2005 06:59 PM:

I dont know...Nor do I care.


Posted by Skinner on 12-11-2005 07:17 PM:

Great answer. Sounds like the same song and dance I get from most die hard bushies.

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Posted by Mike Trevis on 12-11-2005 09:09 PM:

I am glad that I live here in the US one nation under God! I know Bush has pulled some shananigans himself, but I will tell you if I lived in a country like Iraq or Afganistan the way it was before we went in there- I would have prayed for God's intervention. You ever think that maybe the US is Gods answer to prayers from his people in those countries. I do not feel that we have the right to take our freedoms for granted. By letting evil dictators gain power and doing nothing about it we are jeopardising our freedom and safety. Had one of your family members been killed by one of these terrorist acts- how would you feel about this issue? What if we did just up and pull out of Iraq- you think these guys might regroup and attack us again with a bomb or disease or poison? What if it is your children that are killed by them next- and you were one of them on this board critcizing this effort to stop them? I will stand behind Bush if he should decide to go after any country that tortures,rapes,kills-people. There are places in the world right now that are killing christians-burning them and their children alive because they will not walk away from Jesus and except the Muslim faith. I have to ask you how does this sit in your craw? We are here complaining about the price of gas when people are being butchered rather than thanking God for the blessings he has given us!!

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Posted by Blue Ice on 12-11-2005 11:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark A. Hauck
Hey Bulkyker, you must of been in a different Army than I was

We were in Somalia, Haiti, and Bosnia, and each time it got tough Clinton would let "opinion Polls" decide on what to do and yep......he did not have much military knowledge so rather then listen to the Commanders on the Ground or those trained to do the work of WAR.....he cut and run !!!!!!

Clinton is the reason I hung up my Green Beret and retired !! Got tired of fighting half a$$ campains and not being allowed to do what I was trained for.

Army, Navy and Air Force were being dismantled and reduced in size, funds were being cut from our training budgets, equipment was not being brought up to date and modernized, and NO cost of living raises !!! So I remember the Clinton years very well and from the military point many of us did not think much of him !!



I don't see Ole George W. doing anything to fix what Clinton screwed up. Is he building the Armed Forces back up to power as they once were as a matter of fact he is still closing basis as Clinton did. Maybe the reason you hung up your beret Mark is you are feeling your age as some of the rest of us are. Thanks for what you done for this country but all that have been on Capitol Hill are the reason this country is in the shape it is in. Dem & Rep. alike.

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Posted by John Ferrari on 12-12-2005 12:06 AM:

Recently Mr Gephardt said, "I was wrong about the war." Why. and the comments leading up to that.

2001-09-12, the White House, a bipartisan leadership meeting:

GEPHARDT to BUSH: "We have to trust each other. You have to trust us, and we have to trust you.
Late 2001 - early 2002:

Like others, GEPHARDT hears the grapevine buzz about Iraq in DC corridors of power inside the Bush White House.

"If Saddam didn't attack us, he should have, because we're going to take him out anyway".
February, 2002:

GEPHARDT to BUSH: You have my support if it's about Weapons of Mass Destruction -- but not if it's about Saddam. "If it's about Saddam there are 30 countries we need to invade tomorrow morning
GEPHARDT to BUSH: The US can't go into this alone. If it's done, it has to be done multilaterally -- with regional partners, NATO, the UN.
BUSH to GEPHARDT: "Dick, I'm gonna do what you've been talking about I will work with NATO, regional partners, and the UN
Insiders later hinted that WMD wasn't (variously) the central, sole, or real reason for invading Iraq, that it was agreed among the principals as a politically plausible casus belli
Deputy SecDef Paul Paul Wolfowitz 2003-05-09 " ... for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason ...".]
GEPHARDT: "George, do you believe?" [in the WMD thesis]
DCI TENET: "Absolutely."

2005-10-11, Seattle, WA:
GEPHARDT: "It was a mistake ... I was wrong."

The Rose Garden compact was a mistake. The War Powers vote was a mistake. Trusting this Administration was a mistake.

And this history suggests -- in the tradition of a classic sales training parable, the farmer's daughter joke -- that Gephardt (the prospect) telegraphed exactly what Bush (the salesman) had to say to clinch the sale. "Dick, I'm gonna do what you've been talking about". A mistake.
Bush had Mr Gephardt support because Bush Said he would work with the UN, NATO, with regional partners. Well history shows he did not do this and he trusted Mr Bush that he would do exactly what he said. Wrong he was lied too.




All these people that have died in the Iraq war are not Republican or Democratic, but Americans.
I am sure their are both Republicans and Democratic are fighting in this war. Some may not agree with going to war, but they are doing their job.
This country of today is so divided. This president ran on being a uniter not a divider. Like my good friend Dick Gephardt told me. At one time Democats and Republicans fight hard for their differing convictions on the floor of the house, then go afterward for a friendly beer together. Now democratic and republicans don't even make eye contact when they pass one another in the halls of Congress, unless it's to exchange furious glares. The problem today extends far beyond Washington. The same hate hostile, partisan atmosphere is seen in state legislatures and city councils and return is turning our citizens this way. Dick also told me that at first he liked our president and thought he could trust him not because he was not a Democrat or Republican but a good honest man. He found out later he could not trust him. One thing and this is true that our president made fun of Gephardt family because he was raised poor and his family were rich.
Now before you bash Mr. Gephardt I remember him on Dec, 19, 1998 standing in vote of the congress in support of Bob Livingston a Republican from Louisiana in which he was going to be elected the new majority leader in congress. This was a time when every Republican was wanting Clinton out of office for having an affair. Mr Livingston also was having an affair with another women. Mr. Gephardt said, "Our founding fathers created a system of government of men, not of angels. No one standing in this House today can pass a puritanical test of purity that some are demanding that our elected leaders take.
Mr. Gephardt told me about NAFTA. In 1990 President Bush was responding to then Mexico president Calos Salinas calls wanting a trade agreement. In early 1992 President Bush was trying to bring NAFTA to a close, but it was not to be because President Clinton got to be president. Yes, NAFTA was signed with Bill Clinton in office, but alot of things were taken out because it would of been worse then it was. Mr. Gephardt would not support NAFTA because of side agreements were put in the bill by Mexico in which they did not have to enforce labor or environment laws if broken resulting in two years from 500,000 workers on the border to now millions of Mexico workers making less money then when the treaty was signed.
I call Mr Gephardt the best president we never had. Alot of the people on this board is worth more then him. Just check it out.
I feel until we treat are fellow Americans with respect our country will have a long hau


Posted by Albert Fulton on 12-12-2005 12:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Trevis
I am glad that I live here in the US one nation under God! I know Bush has pulled some shananigans himself, but I will tell you if I lived in a country like Iraq or Afganistan the way it was before we went in there- I would have prayed for God's intervention. You ever think that maybe the US is Gods answer to prayers from his people in those countries. I do not feel that we have the right to take our freedoms for granted. By letting evil dictators gain power and doing nothing about it we are jeopardising our freedom and safety. Had one of your family members been killed by one of these terrorist acts- how would you feel about this issue? What if we did just up and pull out of Iraq- you think these guys might regroup and attack us again with a bomb or disease or poison? What if it is your children that are killed by them next- and you were one of them on this board critcizing this effort to stop them? I will stand behind Bush if he should decide to go after any country that tortures,rapes,kills-people. There are places in the world right now that are killing christians-burning them and their children alive because they will not walk away from Jesus and except the Muslim faith. I have to ask you how does this sit in your craw? We are here complaining about the price of gas when people are being butchered rather than thanking God for the blessings he has given us!!


What are you looking for Mike, another "Holly War"? A return to the middle ages?


Posted by Mike Trevis on 12-12-2005 12:29 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Albert Fulton
What are you looking for Mike, another "Holly War"? A return to the middle ages?


I guess Im just not willing to look the other way.

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Posted by earthgirl1975 on 12-12-2005 12:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blue Ice
I don't see Ole George W. doing anything to fix what Clinton screwed up. Is he building the Armed Forces back up to power as they once were as a matter of fact he is still closing basis as Clinton did. Maybe the reason you hung up your beret Mark is you are feeling your age as some of the rest of us are. Thanks for what you done for this country but all that have been on Capitol Hill are the reason this country is in the shape it is in. Dem & Rep. alike.


dont tell me you voted for ole Bill

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Posted by CountryMile on 12-12-2005 12:57 AM:

Skinner

I think President Bush got his intell from George Tenet (CIA director appionted by Clinton) and about 5 other foriegn intell agencies. Shoot I dont no where the WMD's are but I bet they aint in Iraq anymore. You spin,lie and mislead just like every other liberal I have heard when their lips are moving or their computer keys are clicken.
People died in the USA. Lets go get those who did it and kill them back. Lets kill them on there soil with our volunteer Army and never,ever let it happen here again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by John Ferrari on 12-12-2005 11:43 PM:

NAFTA has ruined this country. In 1990 President Bush was responding to then Mexico president Calos Salinas calls wanting a trade agreement. In early 1992 President Bush was trying to bring NAFTA to a close, but it was not to be because President Clinton got to be president. Yes, NAFTA was signed with Bill Clinton in office, but a lot of things were taken out because it would of been worse then it was under the first George Bush. Mr. Gephardt would not support NAFTA because of side agreements were put in the bill by Mexico in which they did not have to enforce labor or environment laws if broken resulting in two years from 500,000 workers on the border to now millions of Mexico workers making less money then when the treaty was signed.

Now this current president and his party are divided on the issue of Mexicans crossing the border. It is a hot issue because some of the republican party wants to get tougher on letting Mexicans crossing the border while some of the republicans want cheap labor for big business. What does this current president do? He puts a bill in to get tougher on Mexicans then turn right around and gives them a chance to work if they get a grant of stay here for a extended time. Is this fair, I do not know but seems to me that he on the fence here.

How do we fix this. We create an international labor union which every country workers are paid above minimum wage thus resulting in every countries workers can buy the products they build. End results Mexicans would not have to worry about coming to USA for jobs because they would want to stay home and work because they can make a living.


Posted by bob country jr on 01-31-2007 05:28 AM:

whats a bushy.


Posted by highyellerdog on 01-31-2007 05:24 PM:

stop crying

Clinton is not in Office, that was very old news, whats up?

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Posted by blueticker on 01-31-2007 05:37 PM:

Both, Bush and Clinton has made mistakes. Why would anyone want first lady Bush to take the command and like wise with Clinton. No for Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!! enuff said


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