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one stud im pulling for is chris pooles gr nt boomer dog.
you will not find a better pedigree on a line bred jet stud. he is out of world champ bluetick dancer and nt ch top reproducing female brandy. he is in my backyard and has to hunt in some tough conditions against tough competition.
I just bred my gyp that is a half sister to jake appels bullet dog and half sister to the smokey river john dog to him. i believe she will finish out to a nice hound this winter. only been to the woods about 15 times, never more than 2 nights in a row, and is treeing her own coon. she is a real looker with a beautiful mouth also.
if you are looking for a linebred jet stud, i think you want to consider boomer right there with any young stud out there. i believe he will reproduce better dancer. chris is also straight up fella, so even if you dont know the dog, you will get a straight answer.
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Re: Re: Really Good Post
[QUOTE]Originally posted by berger
[B]Most of those are excuses except the first.
Bad Training- you dont think training has anything to do with the out come of a dog?
Dog goes to a pleasure hunter- Dog only gets pleasure hunted never gets entered in a night hunt, dog does not get titles, studs percetages goes down.
Bad handler, does not know rules, does not know how to call his dog. Calls his dog wronge. Looses hunts for his dog. Lets other handler get over on him becasue he does not know rules= dog does not get title= Stud dogs percentages go down
Female never gets hunted stays bred has 6 litters and dies= Never gets title= Stud dogs percetages go down
This is a good topic and good post I dont mean for this post to turn bad. I just dont think these are excuses I think They are real. I dont think I give a dog the same chances that someone with more money and time and experence can. I have only been hunting for about 9 months and I am trying to close the gap as quickly as possiable.
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I made reference to Mailes Pete dog a couple of years back. In his prime, Pete could compete with them all at night. I had mentioned that he was one of the best if not the best reproducer I had ever known of. Yea, I have had pups from Hawk, Chief, Scout and Bullet all well know for their reproduction but I only came up with one that was worth a crap. He made Gr. Nt at a young age. Pete would of been the right hound to cross with a border collie , you could of had the smartest tree dog living. I am yet to see one of his offspring that wouldn't run and tree at a young age. No smoke just fact.
I have three Pete dogs in my pens right now that are Gr. Nt. Ch. material. I will finish two of them myself. I didn't have to cull through 20 pups to get them, only three. All it takes is putting them in the brush. My son has a 12 month old pup from Pete that will get er done also. NO ACCIDENT
Pete is gone and most of you didn't even know of the hound. That's right, the next top stud is tied in someones back yard and will most likely will never be relized until it's too late.
Re: Re: Re: Really Good Post
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Originally posted by blueballing
[QUOTE]Originally posted by berger
[B]Most of those are excuses except the first.
1 Bad Training- you dont think training has anything to do with the out come of a dog?
2 Dog goes to a pleasure hunter- Dog only gets pleasure hunted never gets entered in a night hunt, dog does not get titles, studs percetages goes down.
3 Bad handler, does not know rules, does not know how to call his dog. Calls his dog wronge. Looses hunts for his dog. Lets other handler get over on him becasue he does not know rules= dog does not get title= Stud dogs percentages go down
4 Female never gets hunted stays bred has 6 litters and dies= Never gets title= Stud dogs percetages go down
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yes pups can overcome bad training and poor handling, but they cant overcome sitting in the pen, which happens to alot of them when you sell them to somebody you dont know anything about.
a fella who is set up where he can keep half a litter till they get a certain age and start them and keep the top ones, and get the ones who show promise in good hands, and with the other half the litter get them to top hunters, has a huge advantage in his pups turning out. i dont care what you say about cream rising to the top. the same pup, in 2 differen environemnts can easily turn out to be 2 different caliber of dogs.
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there are more than a few worthy studs from every line
and those with females wanting to help the breed should support the breeders who have invested time and money to prove the reproducing ability of their stud.
the next top reproducing studs will more than likely come from the ones who have the best percentages now. JMO that and 50 cents will get you a watery cup of coffeee.
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he is still a young dog himself, but im hoping to get to see gary woods choppin axe dog go. he has an impressive record in the woods and some really nice dogs behind him
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Re: The Next Great Bluetick Stud
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Originally posted by John Carroll
Who do you think it is going to be?
My money is on Uncle Pen.
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Well I'll plug my old hound Nitech Chaney's Cooncreek Tater has as good a pedigree as you will find on any stud dog and has never failed to consistantly preform in the wood's and has just produced a nice looking litter off a litter mate sister to pen
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The only person a dog has to please is the guy that feeds him.
folks, rattler is already a top stud. for those that are following closley what his pups are doing in the hunts, you can easily see he is a dominant reproducer. rattler's track speed and independence is something you might not be able to match anywhere else in the bluetick world. i believe he backed like 2 dogs from open registered to grand nite. his pups are showing these traits across the board and they are proving to be early starters on top of that. once you hunt a nice bullet dog you wont want to look elsewhere and rattler is a top bullet stud if not the top. he is going on 9 so you need to get it while you can.
Tony, you know when its that time, sassy is going to rat. folks this will be a uncle niece cross that ought to produce some special coondogs.
PS: you wont be stuck with pups, there is a strong demand for his puppys. i had no problem getting all mine sold besides the 2 i was keeping for myself
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IMO
It has been a long time since a " Super Reproducer " dominated the breed. What one stud dominated in the recent past ? It would be hard to narrow it down to one, past or future. JMHO
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Craig
imo, and yes, I am a lil biased, I would say Bullet has dominated in the stud pen, in the recent past, and there are several dogs out of him that show to be reproducing very well....Rattler, Bullet II has quite a few that are startin early and naturally....I have hunted with three of them, and I would be proud to own any one of the three....I have a daughter of Geronimo I may be breeding to either Bullet II or a son of his, out of Bullet II x Raggs, and dancer daughter....it seems that Bullet is throwin his strong points into his pups and grandpups, as well as his reproducing traits into his sons/daughters....
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soon there will be another name added to this great list of quality stud dogs , and his name is BRUSSEL !!
To those who have any doubt !!!!!! KEEP YOUR EARS OPEN !!!!!!!!
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Make that music you old hound, make it until the coon is on the ground. Make it right and make it tight till the end of all nights.
For we remember all of you that nailed that tree and pasted glue, never forgetting along the way all the trails that you've paved and the dogs you left in the dust I always knew who to trust.
Now in your dreams coon fall like rain and never more is there pain from the thorns and the brush, God knows you were tough and that you hunted just to please us !!
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Re: Craig
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Originally posted by Blue Style
imo, and yes, I am a lil biased, I would say Bullet has dominated in the stud pen, in the recent past, and there are several dogs out of him that show to be reproducing very well....Rattler, Bullet II has quite a few that are startin early and naturally....I have hunted with three of them, and I would be proud to own any one of the three....I have a daughter of Geronimo I may be breeding to either Bullet II or a son of his, out of Bullet II x Raggs, and dancer daughter....it seems that Bullet is throwin his strong points into his pups and grandpups, as well as his reproducing traits into his sons/daughters....
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Jhn. 3:30, "He must increase, but I must decrease."
I think its interesting to sit and think about just where certain traits came from in your dog. My old female goes back to Utchmans hawk several times. She aint nothing great but she's treed lots of real live coons and her strong point is track speed and accuracy on the tree. I wonder who put that in her??? Takes her a long time to check and settle down on the tree, she's really slow about locating which particular tree the coon is in but she gets thru yonder actually "running the track" and "putting the coon in the tree" really, really, fast. I wonder which dog or bloodline put's that in her???
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Originally posted by sheepster
I think its interesting to sit and think about just where certain traits came from in your dog. My old female goes back to Utchmans hawk several times. She aint nothing great but she's treed lots of real live coons and her strong point is track speed and accuracy on the tree. I wonder who put that in her??? Takes her a long time to check and settle down on the tree, she's really slow about locating which particular tree the coon is in but she gets thru yonder actually "running the track" and "putting the coon in the tree" really, really, fast. I wonder which dog or bloodline put's that in her???
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Rambo II sired hounds have placed in the larger hunts and many studs today are from Rambo II. You must give him some credit. Tramp has lots of young hounds that will improve his mark. Bullet's breeding record will improve for another year or so.
As stated earlier in this post the best reproducer going was Mailes Blue Pete. I believe that more every time I go hunting. When it's all over he will be well ahead of the so called pack of top reproducers on nt. ch. percentages. Pete had sired over 100 pups but not too many more. Just from the two year old and younger hounds, I can think of 8 really nice hounds sired by Pete. I guess my point is, the dogs that I know of can make nt. ch.. The best thing is that all of them can be hunted on the same cast and no fussy business.
Craig
I agree with you, it has to be a lasting impression, for generations to come, and you can breed away from the desired traits so fast if you arent careful....I have hunted with half a dozen grandpups to bullet, as well as owning several, and hunted several more, out of bullet, that were 'stamped' so to speak.....I have a pup now, 5 months old, that is goin all the way, at the tree when you get there, startin to bark up, never seen a coon.....he heels, will load on command, and will handle from the dark very well....so only time will tell.....you only to have to hunt with a couple bullet dogs before you gotta have one.....
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Originally posted by blue bandit
I also think another overlooked stud is Treeslammin Hill Billy.
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good females to build on
GRNTCHGRCH. RUSS' TREEIN BLUE LUMBER
CH. RUSS' TREEIN BLUE BOW
GRNTCHGRCH. TWINLAKES BLUE DOTTIE
NTCHCH. SOPHY'S TREEIN BLUE WALTER
GRNTCH. COZ' SPARETIME SPANKY
GRNTCHCH. RUSS TREEIN BLUE SOPHY
GRNTCHGRCH. TWINLAKES BLUE STAR OXY(uchtman's rebel- star)
OPPY
GRNTCHGRCH. RUSS' TREEIN BLUE LUKE
GRNTCH. COZ' SPARETIME SPANKY
PR JUNKYARD BLUE PEG
GRNTCHCH. DOTTIE'S TREEIN BLUE EMMY
GRNTCHCH. RUSS' TREEIN BLUE TOAD
GRNTCHGRCH. TWINLAKES BLUE DOTTIE
GRNTCH. TWINLAKES MADDOG SHY
if pedigrees mean anything. and the fact that powerful coondog females are stacked in here one on top of another has anything to do with it, this dog can't help but to reproduce. get your old bluebooks out and follow the pedigrees of these dogs back even farther and you will see where it is coming from. perry
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You've nailed it, Perry.
The Downing bred dogs and the Uchtman bred dogs have that in common--huge emphasis in both breeding programs on top females.
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YOU ARE IN TROUBLE
quote:Let us know how successful these little rescals become I am sure they will break all records in Bluetick history or will they ???????????? Other than Jet V. the dogs you listed are no way to be a stud dog that will make a huge impact on the Bluetick Breed. Jet V. no doubt has a record or a percentage of being a reproducer however I would like to know the females breeding that he was breed to to make him so popular. Maybe the dogs that I have owned out of him were breed to close to be of anything good out of him. He just might be one that has shinned because of the females he was bred to ?????????????
Originally posted by RRbluehound
thats right boys and i will have pups by him i about a week, they will go back to hammer17 3 times, hammer 18 twice and jet 5 3 times
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This is what I like to see in a stud dog. HE HAS TO BE A GRAND NT CH. No queastion about it. you can have a world beater you are kicking tires if he don't have at leat that title. Big names don't mean Sh&& to me ever. You got a nice hound prove it. Some nice stud dogs never get bred to reproducing females ever. To some of these Family breeders out there that breed their stud dog to not just one titled female a month but up to 2 or 3 a week thier % of being a reproducer sucks. I watch PKC winning hunts every month. I like to see a consistint competitor. I wish I owned one myself but I don't. This is a hard thing to find no matter what breed you hunt. Watch their pups. Are they dog Jokey pups or are they pressure hunter specals. Nothing wrong with those old pressure hunters ever. I know where there is a few good blue dogs that are bred to the max that are coondogs. That will NEVER go to town. It is hard to give a fair oppion about a stud dog when most of these blue pups never make it to town. Be open to what ever stud is out there.
Re: YOU ARE IN TROUBLE
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Originally posted by John Vaught
Let us know how successful these little rescals become I am sure they will break all records in Bluetick history or will they ???????????? Other than Jet V. the dogs you listed are no way to be a stud dog that will make a huge impact on the Bluetick Breed. Jet V. no doubt has a record or a percentage of being a reproducer however I would like to know the females breeding that he was breed to to make him so popular. Maybe the dogs that I have owned out of him were breed to close to be of anything good out of him. He just might be one that has shinned because of the females he was bred to ?????????????
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Re: Re: YOU ARE IN TROUBLE
quote:Have no reason for being angry you seem to be the one there coonhunter Didn't say they were pieces of crap.........you brought the crap up why would you do that about your own hounds??????????????????? Crap......tell us about the crap you see in them..............
Originally posted by RRbluehound
your right john 17 and 18 are pieces of crap and so is my female and so is the sire of these pups, you are right about everthing, you should have a crown on your head, hail king vaught. why would me breeding to him make him popular. t is flat out a coon dog,my female is a coon dog, they share a lot of the same traits and that is why i bred to him, base on hunting abilty. so you can talk all the $h!t you what. your just mad because you have been caught in so many lies and sheepster wont give you that reach around
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