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Posted by l.lyle on 04-06-2012 02:26 AM:

This coon did 100 yards in 5 seconds. He had already been run one and a half hours. The dogs were 1 minute behind. The second one cut another 1 hour loop and took to the river but a dog swam it down and drowned it. Coons can move and keep on going. Don't get too bored , you won't see the coon til about 1:45 seconds into it.

Posted by john Duemmer on 04-06-2012 02:36 AM:

100 yds in 5 secs.? =1200 yds. in a min. 1760 yds. in a mile. Roughly 40 miles per hour.
Pretty fast coon.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 04-06-2012 02:50 AM:

And he already had run 1.5 hours... weeeedogeeeee. thats a 60 mile coon race. Hold on let me get my froglegs pulled up before it gets any deeper. I just gotta get down south LOL.

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Posted by dixiedog on 04-06-2012 02:50 AM:

LOL

Posted by patches9452 on 04-06-2012 03:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
And he already had run 1.5 hours... weeeedogeeeee. thats a 60 mile coon race. Hold on let me get my froglegs pulled up before it gets any deeper. I just gotta get down south LOL.

some people are pure idiots.... thats like if you treed a coon in 3 minutes one night saying thats 20 coon and hour so if you hunted 5 hours you should have 100 coon... get real we already know you dont have a clue about the coon down here... i can run a 11 sec 100 yds but it might take me a minute to run the next one

Posted by john Duemmer on 04-06-2012 03:18 AM:

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Originally posted by patches9452
some people are pure idiots.... thats like if you treed a coon in 3 minutes one night saying thats 20 coon and hour so if you hunted 5 hours you should have 100 coon... get real we already know you dont have a clue about the coon down here... i can run a 11 sec 100 yds but it might take me a minute to run the next one

So what your sayin is after 1 and a half hours that coon had slowed down to 40mph. Makes me wonder how fast he was at the beginning of the race?

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Posted by l.lyle on 04-06-2012 03:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
So what your sayin is after 1 and a half hours that coon had slowed down to 40mph. Makes me wonder how fast he was at the beginning of the race?

Well I guess I should have said you have to click on the video LOL It's not a still shot. Click on it and about 1;45 into it you will see the coon and count how long it takes for him to get out of sight ( which I garantee is more than 100 yards). I counted five seconds . You might count different but a kid can run a 100 yard dash in 8 or 9 seconds? Whatever, my dogs wear them down and catch them on the ground sometimes. Of course that was crossing the open grass. He had been in the thick stuff circling but 3 to five miles an hour sounds about right for that hour and a half. The far end of that marsh is .9 miles and they had taken him out there and back , not counting the zigzags.

Posted by patches9452 on 04-06-2012 04:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
So what your sayin is after 1 and a half hours that coon had slowed down to 40mph. Makes me wonder how fast he was at the beginning of the race?

no im saying you blowing things out of proportion... yalls coon dont run like ours... i have hunted up north and have never ran a coon but that doesnt mean that some of them want run for a little ways.... i have hunted down here for a week at the time and just fall treed or maybe a bark or two on the ground and treed but come the rut its a whole new ballgame in some places

Posted by ONEDOGNIGHT on 04-06-2012 01:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
come the rut its a whole new ballgame in some places

Posted by dixiedog on 04-06-2012 01:49 PM:

Are you saying you have hunted up North and never ran a coon or you have hunted up North and never ran 1 like you do down South. Just asking .

Posted by ONEDOGNIGHT on 04-06-2012 02:00 PM:

I myself have only hunted in the south, but I am not going to pretend I know what's going on up there in coon hunting, but I do know Patches9452 does.

Posted by ov_blues on 04-06-2012 07:52 PM:

I scratched my own dog last year for running a deer after listening to her run it for about 3 minutes. The judge just about fell over when I told him to. She ran it about 3/4 of a mile and switched and treed a coon. They would have never been able to prove she was running a deer as she wasn't even close to us when she was running it. I just believe the hunts would be a lot more enjoyable if people would be honest and knew what their dogs were doing.

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Posted by dixiedog on 04-06-2012 08:01 PM:

Ov blues. I agree with you 100%. That is what I have been trying to get at and people want to say they are only running a coon.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-07-2012 05:48 AM:

Well guys what do you do when you have a hot deer race like I did so you drive down in front of them so you can see them and burn them up. Then you see the coon run across the road.
In the kind of land that video was taken a dog with just a decent nose should be able to run a track in it 1-2 hours old like it was fresh. Now if the coon had been moveing for that hour at a walk he was a long wase ahead of the dogs. They might of ran him for over an hour before the coon ever new to run.
That was wet land, not much wind and weeds to protect the scent from the sun and what wind there was. That is as perfect tracking conditions as you can get.

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Posted by ONEDOGNIGHT on 04-07-2012 06:00 AM:

Do yall really run that many DEER?

Posted by patches9452 on 04-08-2012 05:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dixiedog
Are you saying you have hunted up North and never ran a coon or you have hunted up North and never ran 1 like you do down South. Just asking .

i have hunted up north and never had a coon race.... had some fair tracks that went 200 yards but never what we call a coon race down here.... not even for 200 yards

Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-09-2012 02:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ONEDOGNIGHT
Do yall really run that many DEER?

No that is the thing, I could count on one hand all the times I have had a deer race in both my dogs lives. They were dumped out on deer and fryed for even doging toward them when they were young and just starting to hunt.
So if they make me beleive they are running deer they have to be moveing like they are really running deer.

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 04-09-2012 02:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
i have hunted up north and never had a coon race.... had some fair tracks that went 200 yards but never what we call a coon race down here.... not even for 200 yards

Not being smart but, what do you call up North? I live in the central area of Minnesota little to the northern half of the state and we hunt some tamarack swamps and we have many tracks, especially during rut, that will cover, with the zigs and zags around a mile. We don't hunt the swamps all the time so we do have areas where the race is shorter. North Dakota will give you some good races too. Had a race last week from where dog struck to tree with coon 852 yds on garmin. I have hunted some spots where you can tree 4 or 5 coon in a 80 acre woods though. They are far and few between though.
I was a spectator last summer where 2 dogs treed 9 trees in 2 hrs and never got over 100yds. from us at any time. Only seen 1 coon and 8 circle trees. I wasn't judging, one was the judges dog, and as a spectator could only shake my head.

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Posted by redtide on 04-26-2012 08:06 PM:

This happens often. Just because they are running fast, straight, or making circles does not mean they are running deer. MANY coons run fast, straight, and deep. These boar coons down South will carry you far and wide.
I'm not going to scratch a dog for running off game unless I see it (or it's otherwise obvious such as hearing a yote or hog running in front of them or something). If it is running off, it's probably gonna run it a while anyway and not be treeing any coons to score.

quote:
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I drove around one night to catch my dogs running dear. They are as trash free as you can get but I call a skunk a skunk. They were running way to fast for anything but dear or yote. I got infront of them so I could burn them so I could see what they were running and burn them up on it.
It was a big old slim coon. So you never really know. It came out of a slew into open farm ground and was really turning it on. My gyp caught it on the ground shortly after it crossed the road.

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Posted by redtide on 04-26-2012 08:13 PM:

While I agree....scratch your own dog if he's not doing right. Solves a lot of problem.
Yet, you may have also cheated your dog. He very well could have been running that coon, then treed it. No way to know it was a deer, and it's not uncommon for one to run a ways and fast before finding a tree. That's especially true if they are running to their home area (usually be a den tree though).

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I scratched my own dog last year for running a deer after listening to her run it for about 3 minutes. The judge just about fell over when I told him to. She ran it about 3/4 of a mile and switched and treed a coon. They would have never been able to prove she was running a deer as she wasn't even close to us when she was running it. I just believe the hunts would be a lot more enjoyable if people would be honest and knew what their dogs were doing.

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Posted by Randy Howard on 04-27-2012 02:53 AM:

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Originally posted by redtide
While I agree....scratch your own dog if he's not doing right. Solves a lot of problem.
Yet, you may have also cheated your dog. He very well could have been running that coon, then treed it. No way to know it was a deer, and it's not uncommon for one to run a ways and fast before finding a tree. That's especially true if they are running to their home area (usually be a den tree though).

I have to agree, and if you have a cold nosed dog that can drift and move a track it is not uncommon to go a long distance on a coon and usually the track picks up before they tree jmo.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-27-2012 03:01 AM:

Another thing you have to take into consideration is tracking conditions. Are they going into the wind across a open field of grass? If so and they can't fly on a running coon you better shoot them.
Are they running like they see it in waste high grass across the wind or with it? Might want to ? at that point.

Posted by l.lyle on 04-27-2012 08:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Another thing you have to take into consideration is tracking conditions. Are they going into the wind across a open field of grass? If so and they can't fly on a running coon you better shoot them.
Are they running like they see it in waste high grass across the wind or with it? Might want to ? at that point.

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Posted by ov_blues on 04-27-2012 05:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by redtide
While I agree....scratch your own dog if he's not doing right. Solves a lot of problem.
Yet, you may have also cheated your dog. He very well could have been running that coon, then treed it. No way to know it was a deer, and it's not uncommon for one to run a ways and fast before finding a tree. That's especially true if they are running to their home area (usually be a den tree though).

This gyp has a very distinctive different bark when she is running off so I knew what she was doing. Plus she was running in a wide open area, hunted there all my life and I knew she wasn't doing right. I also know her well enough to know she will switch and tree a coon within a mile when she does this but I don't want to win like this. For some reason she only does this every once in a blue moon but she will do it. I don't like winning and then have to look back at it with a bad taste in my mouth. That's just me though.

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