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Posted by Rip on 03-19-2012 12:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jon Millwood
If the dog comes in after the cast arrives it is given next available tree points and if off game is seen the dog is minused on tree and circle strike points.. In this case dog D would continue the cast alone.. Its not a voting matter its a rule and if the MOH knew what he was talking about he would have over turned the cast and allowed the dog to go hunt.. I would have filed a formal complaint!


The only time you can assign a dog tree points is if the dog is AT the tree TREEING but NOT DECLARED treed WHEN THE JUDGE ARRIVES.

You can't assign anything to a dog that comes in after the judge arrives. If coon is seen he gets his strike minused but he doesn't have tree points. If its slick or off game and the dog comes in it gets its strike circled, even if it comes in and trees every breath on the possum it gets its strike circled and no tree points.

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Posted by Jon Millwood on 03-19-2012 12:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rip
The only time you can assign a dog tree points is if the dog is AT the tree TREEING but NOT DECLARED treed WHEN THE JUDGE ARRIVES.

You can't assign anything to a dog that comes in after the judge arrives. If coon is seen he gets his strike minused but he doesn't have tree points. If its slick or off game and the dog comes in it gets its strike circled, even if it comes in and trees every breath on the possum it gets its strike circled and no tree points.

your right! I had a brain fart..

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Posted by Rip on 03-19-2012 12:06 AM:

LOL, we all do from time to time.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-19-2012 02:15 AM:

Jason. Clean your mailbox out.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-19-2012 02:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Jason. Clean your mailbox out.


done


Posted by Casey on 03-19-2012 03:29 AM:

What if the moh says everything is settled and does not let you file a FC? I don't know if that has happened before its just a thought.


Posted by Moniteaublues on 03-19-2012 04:11 AM:

UKC

Call Todd and let us know Monday how it is going
to be handled.


Posted by rump27 on 03-20-2012 02:30 AM:

If the dog comes in and doesn't show treed i wouldn't tell the handler to handle the dog. doesn't he have to show tree or obviously quick track to be handled?

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Posted by curtis hansley on 03-20-2012 02:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
Dogs a, b, & c are scratched. Dog d gets minus tree points and continue to hunt. Even though dog d was declared treed he could have been on another tree and came in to the cast. Unless he was seen AT THE TREE WHEN THE CAST ARRIVED, he gets the benifit of doubt.
This is how it should be done by the rules even if dog was declared treed if he isnt showing tree when cast arrives he gets minus tree points for leaving tree and keeps hunting.


Posted by Blake King on 03-20-2012 03:47 AM:

A B C are scratched and D is not because he was not there when the judge arrived or at least that is the way it reads in the advisor


Posted by curtis hansley on 03-20-2012 08:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blake King
A B C are scratched and D is not because he was not there when the judge arrived or at least that is the way it reads in the advisor
Thats right,agree 100%


Posted by Rip on 03-20-2012 11:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rump27
If the dog comes in and doesn't show treed i wouldn't tell the handler to handle the dog. doesn't he have to show tree or obviously quick track to be handled?


No all dogs at the tree MUST be leashed. It's not an option. If a dog comes into a tree after the judge arrives you gotta put him on a leash. If coon is seen AND dogs treeing are awarded plus points his strike is minused. If anything else the strike is circled.

Any time a dog is at a tree you gotta put a leash on it.

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Posted by Rip on 03-21-2012 02:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by curtis hansley
if come into the tree you delete his strike points,and other hounds are scratched for treeing off game unless its registerd cast and thien the dogs are minus.


No, the points do not get deleted. Dogs arriving to a tree after the judge arrives get their strike points CIRCLED unless coon is seen AND the dogs treeing are awarded plus points. Its rule 5 b.

Rule 5 is titled "circle and deleted points".

Then the subheading "circle points" which goes through B

"(b) No dog to receive minus points for coming into
tree after Judge arrives unless a coon is seen and
the dogs treeing are awarded plus points."

So that means dogs coming in after the judge arrives get circled.

Then it has another subheading titled "delete points" and that goes C, D, E, F, G, and H which spells out exactly when to delete points. None of those are a dog coming into a tree after the judge arrives.

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Posted by JiM on 03-21-2012 01:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by curtis hansley
well ive always deleted thim and never had a argument and as far as delete or circle neither one is gonna help you or hurt you.


And you could continue doing for another 100 years and no one will say a word. But you'll be doing it wrong. If that doesn't bother you, then it don't bother me.

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Posted by ahinsch on 03-21-2012 02:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
And you could continue doing for another 100 years and no one will say a word. But you'll be doing it wrong. If that doesn't bother you, then it don't bother me.


Haha gotta love the old "well i've always done......." 3 pages of arguments over something that is spelled out in black and white!


Posted by curtis hansley on 03-21-2012 02:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
And you could continue doing for another 100 years and no one will say a word. But you'll be doing it wrong. If that doesn't bother you, then it don't bother me.
DONT BOTHER ME AS LONG AS IT DONT BOTHER ANYONE ELSE LETS PLAY THE GAME.


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