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Posted by goodtimekennel on 03-09-2012 08:50 PM:

?? KELLY

SO IF YOU BRED SKEET TO A FEMALE AND THERE WERE BLUE PUPS IN THE LITTER WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THE PUPS IF THE STANDARD WAS CHANGED ??

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Posted by groworg1 on 03-09-2012 08:52 PM:

all it takes is money start a breed associaton redtick breeders and fanciers sponsor some clubs have ukc shows and hunts giving special prizes for redticks like high scoring redtick, best redtick in show. sign memebers up grow and when you get big enough the ukc may listen and set up your own breed untill then there just english

Posted by chuck west on 03-09-2012 08:53 PM:

Geminite your mailbox is full

Posted by branchvillekell on 03-09-2012 08:54 PM:

Re: ?? KELLY

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Originally posted by goodtimekennel
SO IF YOU BRED SKEET TO A FEMALE AND THERE WERE BLUE PUPS IN THE LITTER WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THE PUPS IF THE STANDARD WAS CHANGED ??

if i bred skeet and threw blue pups i would sing. reg. them as blueticks. dont they all do that to an english now??????
and yes the coloration of a plott would apply if it had too much white.

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i do my own work with my own dog to get him where he is. that is why i stand behind my english.

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Posted by Geminite on 03-09-2012 08:56 PM:

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Geminite your mailbox is full

There aren't any messages in it, inbox/outbox and tracking. Don't know why its saying its full...

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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-09-2012 08:57 PM:

Heck i thing they outa throw out those redticks and only allow tri colors. That Ginn is a beautiful hound.

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Posted by amazingcursouth on 03-09-2012 08:59 PM:

if you really thing that the english breeder would allow a brindle dog in you have lost your mind. I hunted hounds for 24 yrs and i still handle a few from time to time. Yes i do hunt treeing curs, they have been line bred and only outcrossing as needed. but you can take some of the finest redticks around and still stand the chance of a blue one showing up from time to time. Mr wilcox has been breeding his line of dogs for years and will have a blue one here and there. I think he granded one out and studded him for a time. but by pushing to have REDTICK as its own breed you are shooting some die hard english breeders in the foot, who probably made the way for you to have the dogs you have. but truth be know i really dont care. it seems in the world we live today...anyone can belong to any group they wish.

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Posted by groworg1 on 03-09-2012 09:03 PM:

single registry is only open to dogs that can tree coon alone first in ukc and meet breed standard

Posted by branchvillekell on 03-09-2012 09:09 PM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Heck i thing they outa throw out those redticks and only allow tri colors. That Ginn is a beautiful hound.

that ginn was a crap looking hound. sorry charlie. did you see the rest of the hound group?????? that dog was crap. no head, no movemovement, and no attitude. i guess you all are all alike. just show up in flip flops, bib overalls, and a dog of a chain and you can win it all. breed standard overall.

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Posted by Geminite on 03-09-2012 09:16 PM:

Were we watching the same show?! She had beautiful movement! I watched the breed judging videos online and was very impressed!!

I need some eyeglasses!!

Posted by amazingcursouth on 03-09-2012 09:17 PM:

from what i am hearing is that there is NOT a breed standard for English coonhounds lol. after all these years and just now does someone complain. this is insane. i get so amused by some of this junk on here that i can't help but chime in lol. i just went and read the color standards and what i gather they have to have ticking or spotting to be english. NO brindle or merle has been allowed and will never be allowed from what i have seen. i been around all kinds of hounds for 30 yrs and i have never until now seen such a mess over the color of english hounds. KNOWING that two reds can throw a blue. English and walkers were registered together for years. this maybe why you see some tri color coming up every now and then. and also for some ticking in the walkers. best thing is bred for your standards and allow others to do so as well. Some people still breed for coondogs not color.

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Posted by Fred Harroun on 03-09-2012 09:17 PM:

lady you have no idea,really amazes me people start coonhuntin and want to start changin breed standars of the breed they pick.wasnt it just a year ago kell you was on here askin for advice how to train your pup now your a expert on the english breed and cuz you like redticks that should be the color of a english dog.unbelieveable.and before you stat on me ive been around these hounds for 58 years.

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Posted by amazingcursouth on 03-09-2012 09:20 PM:

if whoever started the thread will look at the % of the vote, they will see that over 80% say leave it alone. next time don't try to pee against the wind.....it leaves a mess everytime.

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Posted by goodtimekennel on 03-09-2012 09:22 PM:

OOOOH YEAAA

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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-09-2012 09:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by branchvillekell
that ginn was a crap looking hound. sorry charlie. did you see the rest of the hound group?????? that dog was crap. no head, no movemovement, and no attitude. i guess you all are all alike. just show up in flip flops, bib overalls, and a dog of a chain and you can win it all. breed standard overall.

Lady you need to seek the help of a professional.

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Posted by chuck west on 03-09-2012 09:28 PM:

Leave as is,,,we are not genetic engineers ,, YET

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 03-09-2012 11:06 PM:

BE GLAD WHEN MY WALKER GYP COMES IN HEAT SO I CAN BREED HER TO MY ENGLISH DOG.....SHOULD BE SOME DANDYS...GOT HER JUST TO CROSS ON HIM...

Posted by ncplotts on 03-10-2012 01:09 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by branchvillekell
[so, what happens when your plotts are throwing half white pups????? not in the color standard but out of great parents. ------------------ Not a big problem ,there are a lot of plott hunters out there that could give a rat's a$$ about papers,only interested in performance. I would give them to people that would hunt them. Bet alot of good plotts have been culled because of color. Splitting the english breed is a BAD IDEA!!!!!!!!, just look at NPHA'S removal of the buckskin color from the plott standard and you'll see why. This is just my opinion,I'm not getting in a pi$$ing match with anyone.have several friends that own both eng.blueticks and redticks and all are real nice hounds

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Posted by chuck west on 03-10-2012 01:40 AM:

quote:
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by branchvillekell
[so, what happens when your plotts are throwing half white pups????? not in the color standard but out of great parents. ------------------ Not a big problem ,there are a lot of plott hunters out there that could give a rat's a$$ about papers,only interested in performance. I would give them to people that would hunt them. Bet alot of good plotts have been culled because of color. Splitting the english breed is a BAD IDEA!!!!!!!!, just look at NPHA'S removal of the buckskin color from the plott standard and you'll see why. This is just my opinion,I'm not getting in a pi$$ing match with anyone.have several friends that own both eng.blueticks and redticks and all are real nice hounds

Best post on here !!!!

Posted by ncplotts on 03-10-2012 01:47 AM:

breeds

One of the foundation Sires of a bunch of popular plott bloodlines was a lep colored hound bought by Hack Smithdeal from John and little George Plott,someone had lep colored pups today they'd probably think their plott gyp tied up with a stray mutt.Doesnt mean that its not 100% plott.Just as there are some famous dogs in bluetick walker and english. Bet you go back far enough in all 3 breeds you'll find some real common names,foundation sires that were good representatives of their particular color,but contributed to all 3 breeds. I'll part with this thought....if you want to cut 2/3 of your gene pool out,and split the english breed assoc into 2 seperate assoc.,then by all means go ahead and seperate the colors

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Posted by Gentry's English on 03-10-2012 02:08 AM:

Re: Re: ?? KELLY

[QUOTE]Originally posted by branchvillekell
[B]if i bred skeet and threw blue pups i would sing. reg. them as blueticks.

Your kidding me! So lets make it some thing it is not. what a joke.... I really wish people would quit cross breeding and sing. reg as english. I will never own or breed to one. but all the color in the breed is one of the things I like the best. The tri colored ticked up ones are my favorite. and I love seeing a good blue one.

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Posted by branchvillekell on 03-10-2012 05:05 PM:

yes, i just got my english a year and a half ago. have a walker mix that i got 6 years ago. what i have a problem with is that when you go to a show, any show, you really do have to ask what the breed is when it comes to color. the english has a very loose color standard and that is why everyone doesnt want to change it. all i wanted was to maybe make the coloration a more stringent standard so that everyone in their uncle breeding a coonhound couldnt lump them under one loose term of english.
maybe , just maybe, if you have blue english, breed for blue and reg. them as such so they are separate and recognizable as such.
not just lump- them into a broad catagory as english.
this is all i am saying.
redtick english, bluetick english, tri colored english.
this is not a giant debacle for anyone owning a coonhound.
if someone wanted a blue english, they would go to a blue breeder. etc. but at least they would know what they were wanting and looking at.

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Posted by Cowboyred on 03-10-2012 05:53 PM:

branchvillekell:

I think perhaps your next dog should be a hightan American Leopard Hound! LOL!!!

Sorry, I just had to needle you a little bit after reading your last post.

Posted by branchvillekell on 03-10-2012 06:18 PM:

no problem, i am done with this notion though.
what i have deduced is this: every hound that cant meet the color qualifications of its specific breed ( to the nth degree) is qualified as an english.
ok, i should have done my homework a little bit more.
let sleeping dogs lie and let every other coonhound owner revel in the light that they can register as an english.
kell
can you speak english was my motto, i might just change it to mylotto.

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Posted by amazingcursouth on 03-10-2012 09:05 PM:

here is the thing... i looked at my buddies papers this morning and he has ENGLISH, redtick or whatever. No blue dogs are in his pedigree and they are all redtick. he line bred his dog to a 2nd cousin female redtick...she didn't have blue in her ped either...and out of the litter 2 were blue....i do not see single reg these dogs bluetick...because they are not blueticks. this who deal is stupid and i don't know why i even care being since i don't hunt english. but i guess what gets under my skin is everyone wants junk there way and act like most activist groups running around.

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