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Dear Judge....

Dear Judge,

when judging dachshunds more bone, more substance, more hair is not necessarily better. Keep in mind what the job they were bred for. The word "agile" is in their breed standard.

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There appear to be a lot of requests to keep moderation in mind.... But isn't this the responsibility of the breeders?? It is the BREEDER'S responsibility to produce the next generation. If breeders aimed for moderate dogs, exhibitors would not have to beg for judges to pay attention, no?

It's a vicious circle.

Judges put up a certain type of dog and breeders breed for that type. More and more dogs are becoming a certain type and that's all the judge sees in the ring.

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Originally posted by maligator
There appear to be a lot of requests to keep moderation in mind.... But isn't this the responsibility of the breeders?? It is the BREEDER'S responsibility to produce the next generation. If breeders aimed for moderate dogs, exhibitors would not have to beg for judges to pay attention, no?

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Originally posted by lasgsd
It's a vicious circle.

Judges put up a certain type of dog and breeders breed for that type. More and more dogs are becoming a certain type and that's all the judge sees in the ring.

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I do breed moderate dogs. And that's what I show. And we do a lot of losing to extreme dogs. In the mother country, England, my dogs would get a fair look. Moderate dogs there do well. The dog CC winner from Crufts:

http://www.freewebs.com/sajojistaff/photos/Pictures%20by%20Ian%20Cook/george3.jpg

and the bitch winner from Crufts:

http://kepfeltoltes.hu/110504/Hubbulls_The_Promise32_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg

Different in style (the entry there is large enough that dogs & bitches have separate judges), but both are moderate and true to the standard. Both finished their titles easily. If you've seen what wins in the SBT rings in this country, you'll realize that those dogs would not have good odds here.

The dog I used on my bitch to produce my last litter (now almost 18 months old) was imported from England and shown. Did almost nothing under US judges, he finished his CH title with 3 or 4 major wins under breed specialists from the UK. (to be fair, he didn't have too much trouble finishing in the UKC, but that was without breed competition) I am now showing his son, who is very like him, and it's an exercise in futility.

All I ask is that judges actually look at the standard, look at what is considered correct in a country that has real competition in this breed, and then genuinely assess the dogs that are being shown to them here.

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Dear Judge...

Dear Judge...

On my breed I would like to see you look for....

Let's get back to our dogs... loving the posts.

Please pay attention to arm band numbers and writing in placements in your judge's book. I assumed when I was handed the correct ribbons that the placements written in the book were also correct. Wrong.

My dog had her Championship and one Champions class win taken away because a judge wrote down the wrong number as the BF. Thankfully, the 2nd place person was honest and verified that it was my dog that won and my dog eventually was reinstated with it's Championship and class win.

Also, please do not ask me what color my dark yellow dog is. If you had actually read the Labrador Retriever standard, you would know that already.

Thank you.

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Originally posted by maligator
There appear to be a lot of requests to keep moderation in mind.... But isn't this the responsibility of the breeders?? It is the BREEDER'S responsibility to produce the next generation. If breeders aimed for moderate dogs, exhibitors would not have to beg for judges to pay attention, no?

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Originally posted by maligator
It all starts at the whelping box. So perhaps we need a "Dear Breeders..." thread!

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Sam Murphy
Hesed Hof German Shepherds

Dear Judge,

Please, Please, Please, judge the dog and not the owner. They are not the ones on display. Way too much of that going on! It is suppose to be all about the dogs, not the owners egos!

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Dear Judge--

When judging Berger Picards, please know that it's not OK for these dogs to be "freaky" or "spooky" as has been reported by some. The standard indicates that they may be somewhat aloof with strangers, but that shy, nervous, or vicious dogs MUST be disqualified.

Please look at the dog's structure, movement, and type, not the color of its coat (unless it is a disqualification). We have beautiful brindle dogs that are routinely overlooked in favor of lesser-quality fawns.

And on the topic of coat, a thicker, shaggier coat is NOT more correct than the short crisp coat. A too long coat or a coat with wooliness/curl to it is a disqualifying fault.

There is still a lot of variation in quality and structure seen in our breed. Thank you for learning the standard and being so patient with so many new exhibitors as the Picards establish a foothold in this country.

Dear Judge,
Please consider the breed standard when judging Leonbergers.
Leonbergers should have a good mask. They also should also have a nice level topline in line with age. As our breed grows sometimes the hips may be higher than the shoulders or be all legs. But at full grown age they should be level. Also unlike Akita's Leonbergers do not have a tightly curved tail or one that reaches way over the hips. We have a happy tail that may appear like a C when gaiting but does not reach over the hips to the stomach area. Also this is a giant breed not a dog the size of a golden. They should have a nice coat also. Not plush like a stuffed animal.

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Julie Hatlas-Pepper

Dear Judge,

When judging GSD please, please, please do not give awards to shy, fearful, nervous dogs. Does the dog show fear when you approach? Back away from you? Is the tail tucked against its belly? Are the eyes rolling around in his/her head trying to find an escape route? A German Shepherd Dog is suppose to be a confident dog. Stop awarding spooky dogs with wins!

The back of a GSD is its framework, it should be rock hard. A soft and/or sagging back is worse then a roached back. A talented handler can hide a soft back with a tight leash...and if the dog is on a tight leash and the back is still soft...not good.

Thank you for listening.

Julie Richards-Mostosky
Alta-Tollhaus German Shepherds

Dear Judge - Please allow me to show the bite of my Working/Gaurdian breed. I really do know what I'm doing
and he REALLY does NOT want you in his mouth. I on the other hand, have been sticking my fingers in his mouth since he was 8wks old.

Let's not forget this is UKC, our dogs "Do Stuff" many of
our dogs still do what they were 'built" to do. We have
the phrase, "Aloof with strangers" in our standard for a reason.

Slow & friendly is the way to approach, my dog will be calm, you'll be happy, I'll be happy.

BTW- He does know you're nervous....But, I really do know what I'm doing.

To add to the GSD posts...

Dear Judge,

First and foremost, thank you for your time and dedication. We appreciate it. We also understand that we are paying for your opinion and personal interpretation of the standard. Still, there are certain things that are highly detrimental to our breed. If you could kindly take note of the following, it would be much appreciated.

GSDs should not be shaped like triangles. Their croup should not be inches from the ground while their withers sit two feet or so high in the air. Their topline should not be a drastically plunging slope, nor should it curve and roach like a banana, nor should it sag like an overworked/ridden horse.

GSDs should not walk on their hocks and pasterns. They should not have long, flat feet and said feet should not fly about in every direction during attempts at gaiting. Hocks and stifles should be strong and without exaggerated angle. They should not appear so sloppy and loose in the rear as to be crippled. A GSD requires balance and quickness of movement in order to do its job. Please stop rewarding dogs that have trouble moving in a straight line, let alone taking turns without losing control of their limbs.

GSDs (males in particular) should have a well chiseled and striking head. It should not be totally without substance... to the point that it begins to resemble an unusually colored and overly furred Greyhound.

GSDs should have strong, erect ears. They should not be soft, floppy, and curled backwards at the tips like horns.

GSDs come in a variety of shades... but there are really only four colorations: Solid Black, Black and Tan, Sable, and Bicolor. Some orgs recognize White (and some now consider them a separate breed), but the GSD is a herding breed and, as such, is meant to stand out from the flock (not blend in as many light colored flock guardians do), so white should be considered a fault, if not already designated as a DQ (at the same time, of course, color should be secondary to structure and temperament). Colors that are not (and never have been) to standard include blues, livers, pandas, etc.

GSDs should have a temperament that screams of confidence. They should not slink around the ring, cower from the judge, nor try to bolt from the ring if there is an unexpected noise or movement (be it from the judge, handler, or surrounding environment and spectators). A GSD that does not appear collected and confident in the ring is a GSD that should not be awarded any ribbons.

Withholding placements and points for any of the above deviations from what should be seen in a good GSD is not a bad thing. While it may upset or embarrass some, it is sometimes a necessity when it comes to doing your job well. Awarding a dog that is the temperamental or structural equivalent of a train wreck does the breed, breeder, exhibitor, and the conformation sport a horrible disservice. It gives people the idea that such a dog is worthy of representing its breed and worthy of being bred. While that dog may be loved dearly, that does not mean that he should be in the conformation ring... and especially should not be used in a breeding program.

I have a GSD myself with many of the above faults. Many of you on these forums know him. His name is Scot and he is my absolute pride and joy. However... He has a terribly sloped topline and an overly elongated back. He has a narrow, long head and muzzle, and flat, long feet. He is down on his hocks and pasterns. The angle of his stifle and hocks is overdone. As a result, his movement is sloppy in the rear. He totally lacks substance... which is a good thing, I suppose, because his overdone structure would not be able to support the extra weight anyway! He is shy (although extensive socialization and training has helped this tremendously). He has trouble taking tight, fast turns in a coordinated fashion. Still, despite his physical faults, he is highly intelligent with a strong drive to please. He has a heart of gold and always tries his best in and out of competition, even when he is presented with things that, to him, may seem a bit scary. I love him dearly and would never part with him for any price... but I also know and accept that he (and dogs built and tempered like him) should not be representing his breed in the conformation ring.

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Dear Judge....

Dear Judge....

Please, do not expect all exhibitors to get down on our knees and hard stack our dogs.

My husband has bad knees and I have a physical issue that keeps us from getting down .. or well down and then back up.. unless you want to come and assist us getting up.

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dear Judge,

before reading all these post please take out your standards and compare them as you read the message board! some posts maybe misleading in information:

"GSDs come in a variety of shades... but there are really only four colorations: Solid Black, Black and Tan, Sable, and Bicolor. Some orgs recognize White (in UKC they are now a separate breed), but the GSD is a herding breed and, as such, is meant to stand out from the flock (not blend in as many light colored flock guardians do), so white should be considered a fault, if not already designated as a DQ (at the same time, of course, color should be secondary to structure and temperament). Colors that are not (and never have been) to standard include blues, livers, pandas, etc."

taken from the UKC standard:

The German Shepherd Dog comes in many colors and white. In evaluating colored dogs, strong, deep colors are preferred. Nose, lips, and eyerims must have dark pigment, regardless of coat color. Color faults are minor in comparison to defects of type and structure.

Serious faults: Pale, washed-out colors; blue; liver.

Disqualification: Albinism

WHITES AND CREAMS ARE ACCEPTED COLORS IN THE GSD!

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WORKING STOCK DOGS
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BUCKING BULLS AND SPORTS CATTLE

Dear Judge:

To mirror what others have said on the GSD,,,please note that if you have to check under the dog to determine its sex, the dog has some issues. The males should look like males and the females like a female, not a doggy looking female or a femine male.

Also, the standard says that the head should be just above the shoulders in a trotting gate, not up in the air like a standardbreed which forces the dog to lift in the front.

Believe it or not, there is a height minimum and maximum. Females are between 22-24 inches, males 24-26 inches. If in your mind you want to justify a small male/female because you think it is a puppy, ask, don't assume.

But most important, these are herding dogs. As you watch them move around the ring think in your mind " can that GSD trot all day long with that roach back, the pounding high lift in the front, the short choppy strides that indicate no angulation.

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UKC GRCH Halley VomMager, CGC, TT (Top 10 in 2009)
UKC CH It Matters To Me Of Edan, IT sheep
UKC GRCH Go For The Gusto Of Edan (Top 10 #4 in 2010)
also AKC major pointed at GSD Specialty

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Originally posted by OLD OAKS BC
WHITES AND CREAMS ARE ACCEPTED COLORS IN THE GSD!

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Black Water's Thin Ice PN, CD, GN, AGN, JSCX, BA, IA, 9xAA, CGC, TDI, TD, PAWDcert., P1, CL1-3-H, CL1-3-F, CL1-3-S, CL1-3-R, SAR K-9, UANx12, NJ, multi HIT; "Ice"
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UGWPC1, UWPV, UWPO, UWPS EBC's Flying Scot multi MWP, multi MWPP; "Scot"
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Dear Judge,

please be careful to not confuse a well developed chest with one that is overdone. A properly developed forechest should be enough to fill a gently cupped hand placed at the pro sternum. The presence of a BRISKET is not evidence of a well developed chest. Also, breadth of chest (from point of shoulder to point of shoulder) is just as desirable as forechest. They should go hand in hand. Depth should only be to the elbow.

As always no one part of the dog should be valued more than the sum of the dogs parts.

Also, keep in mind that my breed is meant to work with speed and stamina afield. Balance is important as is well developed musculature. They should appear alert and ready to work. (Though I must admit that showing is not nearly as exciting as birdwork )

Finally - please don't be afraid to wicket!! I will gladly stand outside the ring and have every one of my dogs measured before they are shown

Thank you to those who started this post - it is fun to read about the different breeds Very clever!

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Kelly
Palimar Weimaraners

Dear Exhibitors, please bring animals into our ring that meet the standard. Please know your standard and be willing to pick your show dogs to best represent it!

Dear Judges, there are FOUR spanable breeds. These include the Jack Russel, the Parson Russel, the Border Terrier, and the Patterdale. Spanabilaty includes cheast measurement AND compressibility. These components are vital to breed type. SPAN THESE BREEDS WITHOUT FAIL!

Dear judges, the APBT is a breed of moderation and balance. Front and rear angles should match. The APBT must converge both front and rear toward the center line of balane as speed increases. They do not single track. They should MOVE ON THE SAME PLANE. Tails should be an extension of the spine and never carried up and over the back. A gay tail is a major fault in our breed. Tight feet are essential to our breeds function. Splayed feet eith long toes are not desirable. And please. I beg of you. Do not reward shy or fearful dogs placements. Please make no excuses. This is a happy breed that should never be drug around the ring. Even as puppies. Finally, APBTs should be free of excess skin. Excessive wrinkles and loose jowls really retract from breed type.

I am loving this thread and can't wait to learn more about what you want me to see in you breed!

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Also, Dear Judge, in Staffordshire Bull Terriers, when the UKC revised the standard in 2007 they made a change which could be of concern. The acceptable colors of the breed are listed; and black & tan and liver are listed as "serious fault".

In the country of origin, those colors are listed as "highly undesirable". In the AKC (and previously, the UKC) standard, they are a disqualification. The effect in other countries of those colors being "highly undesirable" is the same as if they were a disqualification. They would not be placed, and are not shown. When judging this breed, please remember that those colors are not considered show quality. (no good reason for it, but if it were changed, it should be by the stewards of the breed)

Otherwise, all mentioned colors are equally acceptable, though the blues do have an automatic fault in that they can't have the black nose called for in the standard. And I'm sure you know that white markings can affect the appearance of a dog, creating the illusion of a fault that doesn't exist, so remember to look beyond the paint job.

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Flyin The Jolly Roger

Dear JUDGE
First THANK YOU!!!!
Second When judging the BEAGLE Please Remember that They are a HUNTING breed And that Some of us Do Still hunt our hounds So instead of Frowning at those Scratches on their ears and those Scars on the heads Smile Knowing that there are Some that Still Enjoy the Chase!! as Well as the Show!!And that BEAGLES do COME in ALL hound Colors and NOT ALL have that Fancy Black Saddle!!

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From Field to Show and Show to Field the way it should be

Dear Judge,
Judge my dog based on the breed standard instead of person preferences.

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Jessica