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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-18-2011 11:41 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
I can see some of us want totally different styles of dogs. Youd have to hold a gun to my head before I'd let somebody turn loose and me get my dog out and wait till it made good and sure to hear the other dogs and send it to them. Nope never gonna happen. Now I might turn some out and wait till they bark.Send mine the other way and whip its tail if it wants to go that way I dont want mine alone everytime but hope they get alone once or twice. They still make them tree a coon alone before advancing in the UKC world hunt??

There sure are a lot of different opinions out there. LOL

Posted by jackbob42 on 07-19-2011 12:48 AM:

If you teach a dog to hunt alone , how do you know how good of dog you really have?
That's not competition hunting. He's hunting by himself.

If your dog goes one way and trees a coon , and the other dog goes the opposite way and trees a coon. How do you know which dog is a faster track dog? Quicker locator? Whether either is mean or not?

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Posted by T.Beyer on 07-19-2011 01:19 AM:

Bob, speaking of that....You wanna hunt this week some? I am on vacation. I know it's hot, but we can get to some water holes.

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Posted by l.lyle on 07-19-2011 02:40 AM:

Well they post dogs barred, treeing contest, bench shows, water races. Why not? Certainly HTX is harder and says more than treeing contests.

Posted by GA DAWG on 07-19-2011 02:43 AM:

Your right about that.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-19-2011 05:55 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
If you teach a dog to hunt alone , how do you know how good of dog you really have?
That's not competition hunting. He's hunting by himself.

If your dog goes one way and trees a coon , and the other dog goes the opposite way and trees a coon. How do you know which dog is a faster track dog? Quicker locator? Whether either is mean or not?

Sometimes dogs are gonna get on the same track, run it together and tree together. On occasion that happens and my dog has ran some tracks with other dogs and treed with them. That's fine. But what I do not want is my dog hearing another dog barking and going to them. Whether it be tracking or treeing.

Posted by l.lyle on 07-19-2011 06:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Sometimes dogs are gonna get on the same track, run it together and tree together. On occasion that happens and my dog has ran some tracks with other dogs and treed with them. That's fine. But what I do not want is my dog hearing another dog barking and going to them. Whether it be tracking or treeing.

I'm waiting for you to answer jackbobs question," how do you know how good of dog you realy have?"

Posted by l.lyle on 07-19-2011 07:11 AM:

Question is to me, you cut your dog loose with an armadiilo chaser and a deer chaser and a decent coondog. Armidilo strike first in twenty feet. How long does that take to check? Then deerboy bounces one out three hundred yards , how long to check that? one Minute? Consider this; all the while, the judge is NOT a Jester, sent by the Queen, he is looking for an addition to the Queens Court of dogs. He has already seen two dogs not being honored. Now explain that'n there. Judges?? or Jesters following rules, That Is the Question???????? I'm just playing Shakespere, but I expect a deciferable answer or risk placing yourself in the Jester collumn.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-19-2011 07:43 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
I'm waiting for you to answer jackbobs question," how do you know how good of dog you realy have?"

I guess I don't. I guess I'll just feed him anyway cause I like him and he tree's coons and sounds good to me.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-19-2011 07:45 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
Question is to me, you cut your dog loose with an armadiilo chaser and a deer chaser and a decent coondog. Armidilo strike first in twenty feet. How long does that take to check? Then deerboy bounces one out three hundred yards , how long to check that? one Minute? Consider this; all the while, the judge is NOT a Jester, sent by the Queen, he is looking for an addition to the Queens Court of dogs. He has already seen two dogs not being honored. Now explain that'n there. Judges?? or Jesters following rules, That Is the Question???????? I'm just playing Shakespere, but I expect a deciferable answer or risk placing yourself in the Jester collumn.

I have turned my dogs loose with dogs like that before. I guess some of you guys would prefer the 4th dog to just stick his head in the armadillo hole with the armadillo dog and me too it on through the night. Everybody likes something different.

Posted by l.lyle on 07-19-2011 07:51 AM:

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
I have turned my dogs loose with dogs like that before. I guess some of you guys would prefer the 4th dog to just stick his head in the armadillo hole with the armadillo dog and me too it on through the night. Everybody likes something different.

No. Absolutely not. The buzzards would be happy come sunrise.

Posted by l.lyle on 07-19-2011 08:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
I guess I don't. I guess I'll just feed him anyway cause I like him and he tree's coons and sounds good to me.

Great. Then it sounds like you like him and he would be a great HTX dog. He certainly will not compete with track takers and he does not need to know how to check. He might be a run of the mill competion dog that likes to play with himself. What if you needed him to train a pup for you when he gets old? Would you still need the buckets ? Would he check your pups armadillo running? Would he offer anything to a knownothing pup? NO. He will just be an over the Hill comp dog. That is All.....

Posted by l.lyle on 07-19-2011 08:43 AM:

Or will you decide, once again , that this motherless child needs no up bringinging. You have once again laid down money which you still think has bought a pup that needs no guideance nor direction because you think he came from the Aristocratic winners?. Just turn him a loose in the street (indiscreet) I'll say it again for those you who do not comprehend the difference in the brogue "indiscrete", VS "in de street" from "in de skreet" as we say down here and he will show us what a street monkey is all about left to time in the street and his own street smarts . COME ON. Man ya'll must have fell for Captain Kangaroo a long time ago.

Posted by jackbob42 on 07-19-2011 12:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
......... But what I do not want is my dog hearing another dog barking and going to them. Whether it be tracking or treeing.

You wouldn't enjoy hearing your dog go in and take a track away from another persons dog and beating it to the tree?

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Posted by josh on 07-19-2011 01:05 PM:

Why cant a dog be fast and independent?

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Posted by GA DAWG on 07-19-2011 01:07 PM:

L.Lyle you round up every deer running,diller chasing,fox and yote running,bobcat treeing hound you can find in those parts. I'll come show you what ones pose to do. Easier to just show some folks Sheep can come to. Let's wait till cool weather though.

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Posted by jackbob42 on 07-19-2011 01:39 PM:

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Originally posted by josh
Why cant a dog be fast and independent?

If he's "always" by himself , you'll never know just how fast he really is. (or isn't)
Or , maybe he's just hot-nosed and sounds fast.
He may be fast enough for you , but maybe not for me.
If he were to go to another dog , you may just find out that , if you can get him to open on it , he may just "waller around" half the night. Is that fast? LOL

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Posted by l.lyle on 07-20-2011 02:08 AM:

Just looked on the Home Page for HTX Hunts. None scheduled for Florida or South Carolina. One Scheduled for Georgia on 9-10-11. Quite a few for North Carolina, West Virginia and Tennessee.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-20-2011 02:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
You wouldn't enjoy hearing your dog go in and take a track away from another persons dog and beating it to the tree?

My old bluetick female has done that before. I HATE IT. She should have already been gone hunting on her own. The other dog was already working the track , way down to our left. SHe came running up behind us and came flying past us, hung a left and went down in the holler and treed the coon before the other dog. She should have had the coon treed about 10 minutes before that before the other dog ever even opened.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-20-2011 02:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
If he's "always" by himself , you'll never know just how fast he really is. (or isn't)
Or , maybe he's just hot-nosed and sounds fast.
He may be fast enough for you , but maybe not for me.
If he were to go to another dog , you may just find out that , if you can get him to open on it , he may just "waller around" half the night. Is that fast? LOL

If a dog can go in to another dog already working a track and tree the coon before that dog, whats that say about the dog already working the track? I think it says more about him than it does the dog that treed the coon. That is some kind of super sorry dog.

Posted by l.lyle on 07-20-2011 04:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
If a dog can go in to another dog already working a track and tree the coon before that dog, whats that say about the dog already working the track? I think it says more about him than it does the dog that treed the coon. That is some kind of super sorry dog.

Could be super sorry. Could be very good. He might beat my dog to the tree. Either way, If he was over the ridge by himself I would not know what in the world he was.

Posted by jackbob42 on 07-21-2011 01:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
If a dog can go in to another dog already working a track and tree the coon before that dog, whats that say about the dog already working the track? I think it says more about him than it does the dog that treed the coon. That is some kind of super sorry dog.

And you'd hate to find out that it was your dog that struck that coon wouldn't you.
It's a whole lot easier to brag on your dog , and think he's doing great , when you don't really know the truth ! LOL

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Posted by GA DAWG on 07-21-2011 03:06 AM:

Actually its probably yalls dogs that ain't treeing with mine. How am I supposed to know? Are yall saying if we cut em. Yalls are always gonna be with somethin?? What a joke. Only time I hear check dogs mentioned around north ga is at the BEAGLE CLUB.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-21-2011 03:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
And you'd hate to find out that it was your dog that struck that coon wouldn't you.
It's a whole lot easier to brag on your dog , and think he's doing great , when you don't really know the truth ! LOL

My dog aint nothing special. Just a dog. But i would surely prefer him to go tree his own coon as opposed to be a me too dog.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-21-2011 03:14 AM:

Yall need to stick to rabbit hunting

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