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Posted by shuss on 07-09-2011 02:33 AM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Its simple. Breed it back and go beat these slick treeing idiots I hear so much about. Should be fairly easy! I wouldn't have the bellering boohooing can't get treed by its self hound of yester year. Wait
I have one that's 9yr old. Does she count as one of the older hounds?

And here is the problem, probably 80 % of hunters dont comp hunt and dont need the kind of dog that will beat everything its turned out with. I hunt to have a good time, if you get me tonight, Ill congratulate you and ask if we are going tomorrow night. I guess Im different than most hunters, I like the teasing and joking that comes when my dog makes a mistake, aint that what its all about?

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Posted by GA DAWG on 07-09-2011 03:08 AM:

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Originally posted by shuss
And here is the problem, probably 80 % of hunters dont comp hunt and dont need the kind of dog that will beat everything its turned out with. I hunt to have a good time, if you get me tonight, Ill congratulate you and ask if we are going tomorrow night. I guess Im different than most hunters, I like the teasing and joking that comes when my dog makes a mistake, aint that what its all about?

That is what its all about. Some folks can't stand to loose though. I could care less. I wouldn't want to loose everytime though. I however don't get on here and cry about what type of hounds are winning. From what I see. All you need is one that can tree a coon. We still have plenty around that can do that.. What happened to the old breeding anyhow. Was it bred out on purpose or what? Why is it gone? Is it really gone?

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Posted by Glenn Wells on 07-09-2011 03:10 AM:

I really don't think there is much difference between the old hounds and today's crop, it seem to go back more on how they are trained. When friends were getting together casting their dogs together, the dogs learned tracking and even treeing from the old dogs. The treeing part might have been bred in, but the old dogs showed the pups how to get it right ! The same went with track running, they all can run a hot track, but learned how to work the old cold ones from the older ones. I believe if the people started hunting together again, you will a lot of the skills that y'all think are gone start popping up again. It's a lot easier to train a dog with others than trying do do it by it self, and you might just enjoy the company again !

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Posted by Charles Pullen on 07-09-2011 05:20 AM:

Re: Current dogs

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Originally posted by Dentre
Todays dogs are by far a lot better than the older dogs in the 70's. Everybody says todays dogs are slick treeing dogs that can't run a track. It all depends who is at the end of the leash, on both ends I mean. I remember the three hour hunts, they could not score near as much as we do now. When I look in the mirror I see the only guy I like to beat and than get better. Experience Hunting hard, and knowing your dog and you will better your BREED. So without a doubt todays dogs are a lot better hound than yesterdays hounds. Thats why I read COON HOUND BLOODLINES.

Scores less in a 3 hr hunt opposed to a 2 hr hunt now is called a feeder bucket something that wasn't even heard of years ago

Posted by SFWALKER on 07-09-2011 02:05 PM:

Guys I'm not saying this to be smart or anything like that, but I'm starting to wonder what kind of dogs everyone else is hunting.... I'm kinda of proud of my dogs after reading some of the posts on here... lol Seriously though, I don't have the greatest, but they certaintly are no slouches on track and are very accurate by what I would think would be anyone's standards. And yes, I hunt Walkers. But I hunt with a lot of folks that hunt B&Ts, and their dogs are also no slouches on track and are very accurate. I've actually been to the woods with very few pull up slick treeing fools, and I have been to the woods with a lot of dogs.... Maybe I've just been lucky I guess... We tree a lot of coons under a lot of different conditions. I don't see what all the fuss is about... I agree that some lines of dogs have gone a little overboard on undesireable traits, but from what I've seen "todays" coondogs are ok.

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Posted by hillbilly56 on 07-09-2011 03:36 PM:

dogs

i had a buddy that haf a grand nite champion dog out of he was what i call about 30 percent accurate if you didnt have a dog that would go on you pretty much looked at slick trees all night but i give him credit he would stay right there and tree his heart out on that slick tree just to much tree in these dogs nowdays the 60s-70s dogs would run track before they would tree thats why i liked dogs of the 60s and 70s jmo

Posted by GA DAWG on 07-09-2011 04:25 PM:

Tell me old hound fellers.. HOW FAR did these dogs run coon back in the 60s and 70s?

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-09-2011 04:36 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Tell me old hound fellers.. HOW FAR did these dogs run coon back in the 60s and 70s?

The old folks I talk to that hunted back then usually tell me that if the dog ever did end up on a tree that was a VERY good and unusual night. All night deer races was a very , very regular thing.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 07-09-2011 04:38 PM:

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
The old folks I talk to that hunted back then usually tell me that if the dog ever did end up on a tree that was a VERY good and unusual night. All night deer races was a very , very regular thing.

They tell me of 2 and 3 hour hour coon races.. I dont know a lot but I know I sure as he11 dont wanna listen to a dog run for 3 hours. If it does.. It sure aint a coon its after!!!!

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Posted by rghnd123 on 07-09-2011 05:14 PM:

You're Kidding Right

If your dog can only run a super hot track and doesn't get bogged down on a track you are telling one of the biggest fibs ever. There is not a dog out there that can run every coon track they come across with blazing speed. If they can't smell an old track and run to find a hot one only I bet they get out of hearing a lot. I've seen all sorts of dogs get bogged down on a track. If you people would quit kidding yourself and be honest you would have a lot more fun.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 07-09-2011 05:36 PM:

Im not kidding. If anybody thinks a dogs gonna run a 3 hour coon race. Something is wrong with em! Of course it wouldn't bother me to draw one like that. They don't tree enough coon to do anything. Then again most colder nosed dogs. Atleast a dog people think are cold nosed. They are covering idiots and not really cold nosed at all. They are barking at shadows,dogs,grass and whatever else. A coon WILL NOT out run the hounds of today for 3 hours. I know that. It will be a caught son of a gun waaaaaaaay before that if it don't climb.

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Posted by rghnd123 on 07-09-2011 05:57 PM:

Rut

I guess you've never seen a dog take 2 hours to get one treed during the rut.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 07-09-2011 06:16 PM:

Nope. Better not either. I'll go in there and whip its behind for track straddling. Ain't gonna hunt with folks that have one like that either. That's one thing I can't handle is one boohooing here and there all night. Go catch it and we will cut it on a coon it might can tree. I will just keep hunting the new fangled dogs though. They suit my style I recken. I hope some of yall are successful in getting the old breeding back. If that's what you want. More power to ya. We will all be happy then.

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Posted by jodaviess1 on 07-09-2011 06:24 PM:

OLD VS NEW

I DON'T REALLY GET THAT. FOLLOW THE PEDIGREES BACK OF ANY AND ALL BREEDS TODAY AND YOU'LL END UP BACK AT OLD. TO ME IT'S FUNNY HOW SO MANY TRY TO MAKE ROCKET SCIENCE OUT OF THIS STUFF. IT'S NOT LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL THE HOUND BREEDS GOT WIPED OUT AND THEN SOME NEW STRAIN OF EACH BREED SHOWED UP FROM SOMEWHERE AND NOW ITS NEW. <v>

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Posted by josh on 07-09-2011 06:38 PM:

Re: OLD VS NEW

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Originally posted by jodaviess1
I DON'T REALLY GET THAT. FOLLOW THE PEDIGREES BACK OF ANY AND ALL BREEDS TODAY AND YOU'LL END UP BACK AT OLD. TO ME IT'S FUNNY HOW SO MANY TRY TO MAKE ROCKET SCIENCE OUT OF THIS STUFF. IT'S NOT LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL THE HOUND BREEDS GOT WIPED OUT AND THEN SOME NEW STRAIN OF EACH BREED SHOWED UP FROM SOMEWHERE AND NOW ITS NEW. <v>

This post dosent belong here...makes way too much sense.

This topic is best left to the dreamers wearing rose colored glasses.

Posted by Bluedogman on 07-09-2011 06:46 PM:

Re: Re: OLD VS NEW

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Originally posted by josh
This post dosent belong here...makes way too much sense.

This topic is best left to the dreamers wearing rose colored glasses.

Josh! Josh! Josh!

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-09-2011 07:24 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Nope. Better not either. I'll go in there and whip its behind for track straddling. Ain't gonna hunt with folks that have one like that either. That's one thing I can't handle is one boohooing here and there all night. Go catch it and we will cut it on a coon it might can tree. I will just keep hunting the new fangled dogs though. They suit my style I recken. I hope some of yall are successful in getting the old breeding back. If that's what you want. More power to ya. We will all be happy then.

Ga. Dawg, believe it or not , you would have liked hunting with princess.

and she was a bootick.

When you look at the whole picture, bubba is a far, far better dog. But just plain ole track speed, princess was better. And I hunted them together once or twice but she was already 10 years old and slowing down a little but she was still faster. LOL And I agree with you 100%, I absolutly cannot stand for a dog to get in there and mop and drag it out and beat a track to death . You can't teach a dog how to run track either. It's bred in them. That's all there is to it.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-09-2011 07:26 PM:

Re: You're Kidding Right

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Originally posted by rghnd123
If your dog can only run a super hot track and doesn't get bogged down on a track you are telling one of the biggest fibs ever. There is not a dog out there that can run every coon track they come across with blazing speed. If they can't smell an old track and run to find a hot one only I bet they get out of hearing a lot. I've seen all sorts of dogs get bogged down on a track. If you people would quit kidding yourself and be honest you would have a lot more fun.

you flat land / thick coon guys just never will understand. But that's ok, truth is, I'm jealous anyway. Many nights I stop and think I wished I lived and hunted somewhere else.

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Posted by bluff country on 07-09-2011 08:09 PM:

Did you ever notice that people that have really good dogs always have good dogs , and the people that dont usually are dumber than the dogs they are hunting ?

Posted by on 07-09-2011 08:43 PM:

WOW I would like to see the age of most of the people on this thread. I bet most haven't been hunting more than 20 years and I got news for you the hounds 20 years ago weren't any worse or better than they are today. Most sucked then and most of them suck today. Its a rarity to see a really nice hound I hunt all over and go to a lot of hunts and I'll see one once in a while and you can always count on the same guys having them. If you cant find a nice hound its your own fault for excepting less. Shoot that piece of crap and get another one. Get up off the couch and freakin go turn that young dog loose 5 nights a week for 6 moths by its self and you might have something. THE PROBLEM WITH COONDOGS TODAY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HUNTING THEM. Why do you think you keep seeing the same men with nice hounds all the time? I'll tell you why because the wont tolerate anything less.

Sorry for the rant and it isn't directed at any one person but the ignorance that's on this board sometimes just amazes me.

Posted by JiM on 07-09-2011 09:36 PM:

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Originally posted by Joey
Get up off the couch and freakin go turn that young dog loose 5 nights a week for 6 moths by its self and you might have something.

And if you don't, you can cull it without ever wondering what might have been,

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Posted by Bluedogman on 07-09-2011 09:47 PM:

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Originally posted by JiM
And if you don't, you can cull it without ever wondering what might have been,

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Posted by G L Weller on 07-10-2011 12:17 AM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
They tell me of 2 and 3 hour hour coon races.. I dont know a lot but I know I sure as he11 dont wanna listen to a dog run for 3 hours. If it does.. It sure aint a coon its after!!!!

Oh my God! A three hour coon race! I�ve been to the woods with dogs that could drag a track around for three hours but I don�t call that a race. Are you kidding me? These dogs that take 2 and 3 hours to tree a coon don�t have a good nose, they simply don�t have the desire or ability to push a track, Those dogs can tree coon but they never seem to strike hot tracks because they are content to trail and waddle for hours on tracks that should be finished much faster. If a dog strikes a cold track and moves the track 100 yards or a half mile it really doesn�t matter but the dog should pick up speed as the track moves on. If the dog doesn�t pick up speed on the track but trails at the same speed all the way to the tree then I would guess the dog is a track waddling idiot with no desire or ability to push a track. That don�t mean the dog can�t tree coons it only means the dog can�t tree coons for me. By the way track draggers were around 30 years ago and there are still track draggers around today likely because someone thought old so and so has a really good nose and we should get some pups off him.

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Posted by bluff country on 07-10-2011 01:23 AM:

G L that is one of the most sensible posts on here .

Posted by hillbilly56 on 07-10-2011 02:28 AM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Tell me old hound fellers.. HOW FAR did these dogs run coon back in the 60s and 70s?

have had them run from 5 min to 20 mins in jan when the rut was in have had to go up on a hill to listen cause they would get over in another holler i had a timber chopper bitch that could tree more lay up coon in a night than most dogs couldnt smell no bs story a true fact but thats hindsite now i aint never had another dog that even came close to being the dog she was you younger gen missed out on more down to earth honset coon dogs we had some trash problems but not like with todays dogs jmo hey gadawg dont you alls boar coon run a lomg ways in the rut or are thet like these dogs of today no guts lol

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