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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-02-2011 10:34 PM:

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Originally posted by Englishman
haha 400 acres is bigger than any section in my county I believe. I wish we could have that size of timber with our number of coon.

Thats my smallest woods..No joke..I'd love to have the coon yall have on it.. I live on 200ac..Cant turn a hound out on it..If they aint a coon moving..I will be in somebodys yard and these crazy folk that have moved in here will be shootin..What I need to do is move to where all these idiots came from..Cant be nobody there anymore..

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Posted by Blue Iron on 03-02-2011 10:59 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Thats my smallest woods..No joke..I'd love to have the coon yall have on it.. I live on 200ac..Cant turn a hound out on it..If they aint a coon moving..I will be in somebodys yard and these crazy folk that have moved in here will be shootin..What I need to do is move to where all these idiots came from..Cant be nobody there anymore..

If we cut Brummy and Mouse out together and let these folks behold what they did it would blow their mind. .78 miles last night, hooked under a coon. Tree Blue!

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-02-2011 11:03 PM:

Mouse has slowed down alittle in her old age..She would still out go lots of them My pups gonna be a going dog dog to..So is Brummys pup..I mean if I aint gotta pull somewhere to go to them..It just dont seem right LOL...

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Posted by Blue Iron on 03-02-2011 11:12 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Mouse has slowed down alittle in her old age..She would still out go lots of them My pups gonna be a going dog dog to..So is Brummys pup..I mean if I aint gotta pull somewhere to go to them..It just dont seem right LOL...

I just pray to God there is a road to pull down! We were able to drive within 300 yards of him last night.

Posted by mrbluedog on 03-03-2011 11:17 AM:

I need a go deep dog with lots of drive and heart and lock down tree dog no telling how long it will take to walk in to em

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-03-2011 03:59 PM:

deep and lonley is great for cast win give me a good
guide with a patch dog equals a 1st place then your
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Posted by plentyofpossum on 03-03-2011 04:06 PM:

Unfortunately, all that is left of woods around me is patches. So a deep hunter would get me into trouble, or a dead dog.

Give me a patch dog.

Posted by l.lyle on 03-03-2011 07:45 PM:

I'm fortunate to hunt a 15,000 acre triangle bounded on two sides by a big river. I can hunt any kind of dog I want. It's hard to enjoy dog work that's a mile off.The go yonders I had have all now got gone thank goodness.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 03-03-2011 09:31 PM:

I don't care how far they go as much as how they get there. I don't want them to hunt in a straight line unless that is what the creek and woods do. Unfortunately that is what most of my hunting is. I do try to get them in wider woods to keep them hunting more of a patern.
If they just try to blow threw though I am waching on my garmin and I will bust there tail with a little juice and bring them all the way back and send them again. To me it isn't how far it is how long and if they don't find anything in 30 minutes or so they will check in.

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Posted by ov_blues on 03-03-2011 10:09 PM:

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Originally posted by Blue Iron
I mean with the population in Ohio being as good as it is there is no need for a deep hunting dog, a lazy dog can tree coons all night up there. Down her they have to have the GO to tree coons on a regular basis. Yes we tree some close, but on average my dog normally trees between a 1/2 and 3/4 of a mile, and that's the FIRST coon track he came across. He doesn't blow through the country just to be doing it, but he goes until he strikes.

You do realize that there are different parts of Ohio, with very very different terain?

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Posted by Blue Iron on 03-03-2011 10:48 PM:

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Originally posted by ov_blues
You do realize that there are different parts of Ohio, with very very different terain?

All of which has a better population than here.

Posted by ov_blues on 03-03-2011 11:08 PM:

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Originally posted by Blue Iron
All of which has a better population than here.

Wouldn't doubt you on that cause I've never hunted where you are from, but .78 miles isn't all that deep or impressive. Some nights you will tree them closer than that, but sometimes farther than that if you have a dog that won't come back until they are treed. I call Northern Ohio "Up North" also, and there is a difference between there and parts of Southern Ohio.

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Posted by Blue Iron on 03-03-2011 11:22 PM:

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Originally posted by ov_blues
Wouldn't doubt you on that cause I've never hunted where you are from, but .78 miles isn't all that deep or impressive. Some nights you will tree them closer than that, but sometimes farther than that if you have a dog that won't come back until they are treed. I call Northern Ohio "Up North" also, and there is a difference between there and parts of Southern Ohio.

.78 is very average for down here. That is over 3/4 of a mile, which I'm hoping you know lol

Posted by ov_blues on 03-03-2011 11:56 PM:

Blue Iron

All I am trying to say is that you depicted all of Ohio as only needing a lazy dog to tree a coon. There are parts of Ohio, like where I am from (on the river close to West Virginia) that coon aren't as thick as some people think. I am sure that we have thicker coon than some, thinner than others. We are in the hill country and dogs need to go hunting to tree coon and 3/4's of a mile is not what a lot of us call deep. For you to make that blanket statement about what was needed in Ohio was not accurate.

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Posted by EnglishBabe on 03-04-2011 12:35 AM:

Well dang, 3/4 mile is nothing for around here, walked further. But if they ain't found anything in that 3/4 mile, they better be checking back in and heading a different direction! Too much woods the other way for a straight line, over the mountain dog.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-04-2011 02:01 AM:

Sometimes I wish my dog didn't hunt so deep. I have had to knock on many doors in the middle of the night and hope and pray they was good people and go get my dog from behind peoples houses. That happens often. I hate it but it does. But what I hate even worse is a dog that won't hunt. You cannot fix laziness.

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Posted by tx slick tree on 03-04-2011 02:35 AM:

this is an age old argument debate what ever you want to call it. it all depends on how big a place you have to hunt and what kinda dog you like.

i myself dont like going find a dog treed somewhere i want to hear the dog strike and work the track to the tree. that going find them treed covers alot of holes in the dogs. alot of them go yonder dogs are running something that is not a coon and once they accidentally run across a coon the sit down and tree the coon. most people dont have a clue what a checking in dog is. a dog that checks in is not going to come off a tree and come back to you. a dog that checks in dont stop hunting if you start seeing them alot simply move up. they are hunting for the boss not just running and running and running until the come across something. not hearing a dog no where and having to break out a trackin system to locate the dog is not for me. just going find a dog treed 3 to 5 to 10 miles from where you dropped loose is not coonhunting to me that is called dog hunting.

Posted by dustin15 on 03-04-2011 03:42 AM:

I think if a dog has a good nose and can run most any track they don't have to hunt deep but a hot nose dog needs to hunt deeper if needed to find a hot track. I'd rather have a hot nose deep hunter myself. JMO

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-04-2011 04:48 AM:

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Sometimes I wish my dog didn't hunt so deep. I have had to knock on many doors in the middle of the night and hope and pray they was good people and go get my dog from behind peoples houses. That happens often. I hate it but it does. But what I hate even worse is a dog that won't hunt. You cannot fix laziness.

I cut mine tonight..Went 290 yards..Treed a coon..Cut her off that tree..Went 200 yards and treed a coon..Cut off that..Went 180 yards and slick treed..I was wore out. Seemed pretty deep to me. I guess you cant fix laziness lol

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Posted by john nannemann on 03-04-2011 05:24 AM:

patch dog that's a good enough track dog to move out a bad track. strike inside of a quarter is pretty nice. they might trail a mile- different then running straight in a mile.

Posted by john nannemann on 03-04-2011 05:26 AM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
I cut mine tonight..Went 290 yards..Treed a coon..Cut her off that tree..Went 200 yards and treed a coon..Cut off that..Went 180 yards and slick treed..I was wore out. Seemed pretty deep to me. I guess you cant fix laziness lol

that's a good hunt right there- it's time to go home.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-04-2011 06:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I cut mine tonight..Went 290 yards..Treed a coon..Cut her off that tree..Went 200 yards and treed a coon..Cut off that..Went 180 yards and slick treed..I was wore out. Seemed pretty deep to me. I guess you cant fix laziness lol

Man !!!! You got it done right tonight buddy ! Did you take a vacation to indiana or are u still in georgia ?

when we goin hunting ? Bubba says hes ready fer them east ga coons

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 03-04-2011 07:45 PM:

Re: Blue Iron

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Originally posted by ov_blues
All I am trying to say is that you depicted all of Ohio as only needing a lazy dog to tree a coon. There are parts of Ohio, like where I am from (on the river close to West Virginia) that coon aren't as thick as some people think. I am sure that we have thicker coon than some, thinner than others. We are in the hill country and dogs need to go hunting to tree coon and 3/4's of a mile is not what a lot of us call deep. For you to make that blanket statement about what was needed in Ohio was not accurate.

C'mon now John, quit pulling Clyde's leg! LOL A while back, not sure on which post, I saw you post a thread reponse about Northern Ohio & all the coons & easy hunting. I sort of chuckled to myself & thought if someone from the South sees your post & the "Ohio" for your location they would say the same about you & your area. Low & behold it came to pass! LOL Sorry John, just couldn't resist!

Clyde, I beg to differ with you on treeing coons all night long in Ohio with a close "lazy" type dog. I happen to own one & I'll be darned, but that sucker seems to peter out about half way through the night! LOL

Different strokes for different folks. Different areas of the country require different style hounds. Where I live, if a dog is constantly going .75 to 1.00 miles every time you cut them to get treed, they are passing up/missing a bunch of coon. What would be a classified as a "blow through the country idiot" around here would be called a "coon dog" in the South. Finding the right style of dog to match your hunting area/conditions is what I consider just using your commons sense. No need to bash/critique another style of dog that would not work in your area of the country.

I've got a novel idea, how about a hound that has enough brains & savy to get the job done in thick or thin coon, patch woods or tens of thousands of acres of timber? Does this type of dog even exist? Not according to many on here, it is either one way or the other. In the meantime, I will keep on trying to find an old blue biscuit eater that can tree one of these sick woodlot coons around here every now & again.

As long a you enjoy what you are feeding, good for you! Diversity is what makes hunting with these old dogs worth while!

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Posted by ov_blues on 03-04-2011 08:11 PM:

Well said Vic. I agree with your post. I need to change my location to "almost West Virginia", lol.

I have a buddy that prefers the walk hunt and dogs checking in method. He says though that after he goes with my dogs, he feels like he is hunting in slow motion with his dogs. On the flip side, when I want to just go for a nice relaxing pleasure hunt, I like to go with his dogs. We hunt together often, and enjoy ourselves no matter which way or what dogs we are hunting.

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 03-05-2011 07:02 PM:

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Originally posted by ov_blues
Well said Vic. I agree with your post. I need to change my location to "almost West Virginia", lol.

I have a buddy that prefers the walk hunt and dogs checking in method. He says though that after he goes with my dogs, he feels like he is hunting in slow motion with his dogs. On the flip side, when I want to just go for a nice relaxing pleasure hunt, I like to go with his dogs. We hunt together often, and enjoy ourselves no matter which way or what dogs we are hunting.

John, I am 45 miles northeast of Cincinnati. Around here it is flat as a pancake with patch woods & ditch lines. We have a decent coon population as well. I grew up around Greenfield, Ohio (Paint Creek Lake area) which is more rolling ground. Greenfield area also has a decent coon population. They may see more hunting pressure & you won't bang many hot pop ups this time of year but none the less, a decent population. If I want to expose my biscuit eaters to hills & thinner coon I take a hunt with Tom McClary or Wayne Crabtree over in western Scioto County. I have seen the dogs go a mile plus in that area & never get a strike, more than once during the course of a night. A lot of times when they do get treed it is a hike in there & back! LOL I tip my hat to those guys who hunt in those hills all the time, this flat ground has got me spoiled.

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