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Originally posted by southernthunder
mine did!!!!!!!!!!!! my vet said that something in that feed was upsetting their stomach, so i changed. that was a few years ago, so i hope for your dogs that it is better now.

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Originally posted by southernthunder
the diamond feed that did that to my dogs was in a purple and black bag and it made them sick. i know it wasn't the lamb and rice feed.

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i agree with that.

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Originally posted by Traxx Addict
You were probably feeding too much of it.....And yes..ANY animal, when going from sorry, inferior feed to a richer feed will have a few days of their stomach having to adjust.

Had your vet had 1/2 of a clue he would have known that the reason a dog begin to have watery stool is because on the previous feed you were feeding, his stomach was having to produce more acid to break down the junk you were feeding him. His body had not yet adjusted to the better feed and had not adjusted the amount of acids it needed to break down the feed.Thus the runny stool.

Ever get the "squirts" after a big meal where you eat a lot of rich food?? Same scenario for the dog. His body would have adjusted to it in a few days.

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How much were you feeding, according to the bag 40-60 lbs dogs need only 2 to 2 1/3 cups, sportmix was 4 cups I believe

Ya'll need to do some research on the digestibility of corn in dogs, cause blaming corn as a culprit is not true.

Most leading studies suggest that certain meat proteins are usually the culprit of food allergy problems in dogs.

CORN IS 99.8% digestible to dogs.

If you doubt, even one ounce of what I'm saying, please by all means do the lengthy research I have.

The problem with the corn in the diamond that caused deaths in dogs was due to moldy corn being used in the batch. I have no idea if corn is digestable by dogs or not. I don't believe that it is in humans or other livestock or you wouldn't see it in the waste.

I should rephrase that, whole corn is not very digestible. Ground corn on the other hand may be.

Right, with diamonds original problem. I was just saying that corn all in all isnt the BAD ingredient that most upper end feed manufacturers want us to think it is. A feed and its ingredients are only as good as the company or the mills quality control program.

I have used quite a bit of the extreme athlete, and it is a good feed, I mainly used it on my field trial coyote hounds.

It just seemed to be a real touchy feed to get used to. Feed a little too much and you got problems.
You have to have a way to measure and feed precisley, like a measuring cup.

Most coonhounds do not work hard enough to justify really fooling with extreme athlete. but if you hunt HARD 4 or more times a week, and have the patience to adjust the feed accordingly for each dog, you will be satisfied.

I think you are correct, and I won't feed the extreme athlete when the dogs aren't working hard. I use Lamb and rice when they aren't working. It seems like a good feed, but I haven't been using it long enough to know for sure.

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Originally posted by joseph mcdonald
Ya'll need to do some research on the digestibility of corn in dogs, cause blaming corn as a culprit is not true.

Most leading studies suggest that certain meat proteins are usually the culprit of food allergy problems in dogs.

CORN IS 99.8% digestible to dogs.

If you doubt, even one ounce of what I'm saying, please by all means do the lengthy research I have.

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feeds

alot of feeds had recalls because of the corn content in them . as for pedigree tracor supply here sales it for 23.00 a bag for 50ilbs thats a pretty good buy i like pedigree real well , i personally iam feeding sexton's brother 20/20 orange bag - only becuae ive got a buddy dealing in it , but all feeds are gonna range bout 18-25 a bag , so its just whatever your dogs do best on in my opionion

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Originally posted by joseph mcdonald


CORN IS 99.8% digestible to dogs.

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http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/6/1704S.full thought is was interested so i googled it, several different opinions.

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corn is a filler .

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the walker im not sure how she is bred i know it goes back to i think nocturnal nailor but im not sur i know she has nocturnal blood in her i actually got her from a guy in lacross wisconsin for free and she is pretty good in the woods i mean between her my female redbone and male redbone and my girlfriends dads dogs we treed over thirty coon this year

Any feed with a number of grain and/or grain by-products will cause a dog to get fat. Many folks that feed a sub-par feed will jump up and down and tell you how fat and slick thier dogs are. Truth be told, grain and grain by-products provide an overdose if you will, of carbohydrates. Canines don't use carbs like humans do. Deceptive on the part of the feed manufacturer. It is a wieght gain but one of the worst wieght gains a dog can have. Especially a performance dog. While it is true that whole corn is not, in and of itself, a bad ingredient, it certainly is an ingredient that is near impossible for a dog to use due to thier inability to reduce it to a useable fuel before passing through. The most effective source of carbs for a dog is one that is already reduced, or nearly so, to glucose polymers. Anyway, don't want to sound like a smartazz but figured I'd throw that out there in hopes someone could find some use with it. If not, so be it and keep on keepin' on. If you can't see the different muscle groups and striations in a performance dog, it is too fat or carrying too much water in its muscles to perform at its peak. It may perform well or to the owners satisfaction, but it won't be at its peak of performance.

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i like your information very helpful

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Originally posted by CSnowgren
Any feed with a number of grain and/or grain by-products will cause a dog to get fat. Many folks that feed a sub-par feed will jump up and down and tell you how fat and slick thier dogs are. Truth be told, grain and grain by-products provide an overdose if you will, of carbohydrates. Canines don't use carbs like humans do. Deceptive on the part of the feed manufacturer. It is a wieght gain but one of the worst wieght gains a dog can have. Especially a performance dog. While it is true that whole corn is not, in and of itself, a bad ingredient, it certainly is an ingredient that is near impossible for a dog to use due to thier inability to reduce it to a useable fuel before passing through. The most effective source of carbs for a dog is one that is already reduced, or nearly so, to glucose polymers. Anyway, don't want to sound like a smartazz but figured I'd throw that out there in hopes someone could find some use with it. If not, so be it and keep on keepin' on. If you can't see the different muscle groups and striations in a performance dog, it is too fat or carrying too much water in its muscles to perform at its peak. It may perform well or to the owners satisfaction, but it won't be at its peak of performance.

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C snowgren, thats all I was getting at was corn isnt the blame for everyones feed problems, like so many think.

Junk feed is almost always in the eye of the beholder. Some of these lower class feeds, if supplemented properly you can get some results from, others the hounds just cant seem to get anything from them?

Another argument in the making, but I feed a high fat diet year round. Dogs use fat to keep themselves hydrated, dogs are fat burning sons of guns.Fat is their energy and reserve energy. If a guy pays attention to what kind and how much of a high fat diet in his dogs, you would never feed anything less than 20% fat. Yes even to old dogs, yes even to laid up dogs.

TRAXX ADDICT, Just so you know, I have seen dogs eat field corn and have had several, eat sweet corn, thrown down in the garden. Does that mean I'm gonna switch them to an all corn diet? NO.

As far as my cracker jack education, Anyone can get on the computer and google a few things, and talk smart, or you can go to college and study nutrition and animal science, or you can do what I did and thats spend alot of time and money the past 35 years feeding, Hunting, conditioning, running competiton trials and hunts, studying and conversing with houndsman that are the leaders in their field, of how to condition and feed hounds.
Most coonhunters and coonhounds, will never work hard enough to fully understand the pro's or con's of the feed they are feeding.

People DO get riled up about their dogfoods!

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Originally posted by JiM
People DO get riled up about their dogfoods!

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