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Posted by kycooner1 on 02-16-2010 06:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dane_mullis
i found out it shouldnt have been plussed and i also found out that a house cat is not considered off game because it is not a game animal..... so come on boys go to the pound and get all those cats and cut em loose!!!!

cats may not be off game ,,but what about molesting livestock..thats a scratchable offense.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-16-2010 06:13 PM:

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Originally posted by treberta
Not scratched. Nothing happens which is my point, no, plus points will be awarded. Except for the fact that the dog is just sitting there chewing on the coon the 30 minute Non-Working dog rule would start and that dog better not sit there to long or it will be scratched.

See the whole point of a coon hunt is to see which dog can "strike" and tree the most coon. A dead coon hanging does not leave a track. Sure the rules say to plus it when a coon is seen but not a DEAD coon. If the dog has a good enough nose to wind it then good for it but it can't be plussed.

The only way to score it is jus like any other tree. Ignore the dead coon and start shinning the tree for another coon or a hole. If the tree is found to be slick then that dog is minused its strike and tree points.

A true lay up doesn't have a track going to it either though.
Why wouldn't a dog get scratched for comeing to it's handler just becouse it has a coon in it's mouth?

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-16-2010 06:15 PM:

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Originally posted by nccoonhunter197
How about an official ruling from Allen. Would that end this?

Well I ws sure hopeing some one would tell us for sure about it.

Posted by treberta on 02-16-2010 06:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
A true lay up doesn't have a track going to it either though.
Why wouldn't a dog get scratched for comeing to it's handler just becouse it has a coon in it's mouth?

Grady, coming back to the owner is not a scratchible offense unless the dog was not hunting for 30 minutes of hunt time. In other words standing at the owners feet or milling around the cast.

What happens when a dog kills a coon in a hole? The dog only recieves strike points. Why? Because the coon is dead.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-16-2010 06:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by treberta
Grady, coming back to the owner is not a scratchible offense unless the dog was not hunting for 30 minutes of hunt time. In other words standing at the owners feet or milling around the cast.

What happens when a dog kills a coon in a hole? The dog only recieves strike points. Why? Because the coon is dead.

I thought it was becouse there was no tree to score.
I didn't know a dog could hang out with you for 30 minutes at a time either though. I thought they were supose to appear to be hunting atleast.

Posted by treberta on 02-16-2010 06:40 PM:

A hole is scored the same as a tree Grady.

Posted by josh on 02-16-2010 06:42 PM:

here you go guys...

quote:
Originally posted by todd kellam
You have to draw a line through strike and tree points on all dead coon / coon in live traps / coon in cages situations. There are no other options. To do otherwise would make it very easy to manipulate scores by hanging freshly killed coons or placing live trapped coons in your spots.

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 02-16-2010 06:54 PM:

Glad this is finally settled. Delete all strike and tree.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-16-2010 06:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by treberta
A hole is scored the same as a tree Grady.

So if a coon is seen in the hole you get your tree points and if not it is circled?

Posted by Blue Iron on 02-16-2010 07:41 PM:

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
So if a coon is seen in the hole you get your tree points and if not it is circled?

Yup.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-16-2010 07:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blue Iron
Yup.

Ok I might learn these rules sooner or latter. I started hunting with a guy that can help me with that last night. Nice to have some one to hunt with. I like hunting by myself and have all these years but getting older and due for a heart attack one of these days. It would be better to have some help if I do it out there. All men in my familyand some women have had theres. Figure it is just a matter of time. LOL

Posted by Blue Iron on 02-16-2010 08:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Ok I might learn these rules sooner or latter. I started hunting with a guy that can help me with that last night. Nice to have some one to hunt with. I like hunting by myself and have all these years but getting older and due for a heart attack one of these days. It would be better to have some help if I do it out there. All men in my familyand some women have had theres. Figure it is just a matter of time. LOL

Way to stay positive buddy!

Posted by PullensRRK on 02-17-2010 02:51 AM:

dead coon

How long did the dogs run the track ? If it was a long time , I would say the coon probably had a heart attack trying to out run
the dogs . So therefore PLUS STIKE ... PLUS TREE (just kidding)

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Posted by PullensRRK on 02-17-2010 09:30 PM:

225+

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Posted by Ray Lilly on 02-17-2010 09:36 PM:

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225+

Charles they dont give a COLD nosed dog any credit.lol

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-17-2010 09:50 PM:

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Originally posted by Ray Lilly
Charles they dont give a COLD nosed dog any credit.lol

What breed of dog was it? That will tell us if it was posible for it to be that cold nosed. Had to be a bluetic or an old style B&T to make the cold nose thing beleiveable.

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-17-2010 10:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dane_mullis
i found out it shouldnt have been plussed and i also found out that a house cat is not considered off game because it is not a game animal..... so come on boys go to the pound and get all those cats and cut em loose!!!!

Where did you find this about the cats from? I've saw a ntch or 2 scrathed for treeing them before..

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Posted by georgef072007 on 02-17-2010 10:25 PM:

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Originally posted by kycooner1
cats may not be off game ,,but what about molesting livestock..thats a scratchable offense.

Livestock????? I'm pretty sure we don't have any cat ranchers around here. Although I think you may be on to something there.

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Posted by PullensRRK on 02-18-2010 12:52 AM:

225+ and two more drops like this = HIGH SCORING DOG OF HUNT !!!!!!!! yea.......

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Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 02-18-2010 06:47 AM:

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Originally posted by todd kellam
You have to draw a line through strike and tree points on all dead coon / coon in live traps / coon in cages situations. There are no other options. To do otherwise would make it very easy to manipulate scores by hanging freshly killed coons or placing live trapped coons in your spots.
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Posted by juross on 02-18-2010 11:28 PM:

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Who took the vitals of this coon. Had it been pronounced dead by anyone qualified to pronounce a coon dead. May be it just fainted or learned how to play possum.
I wouldn't win a hunt with a dead coon myself. If I can't do it with pride I am not going to take the win. Now how I think it should go is minus strike points becouse it left the track it was running. After that I don't have a clue. If you are sure the coon is dead. LOL

how are you blaming the dog and saying you wouldnt take a win and to minus it for not running track like sumone else said what if in fact your dog did run that track from where a guy laid a drag and left it there cause i leave coon in trees all the time?

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Posted by dane_mullis on 02-18-2010 11:39 PM:

dogs treeing cats are not scratched they are minused unless you see a coon also. they are not game animals and they are not livestock... If you go by the rules strictly you can not scratch a dog for treeing a cat.

P.S. Yes haha it was a blue dog

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-18-2010 11:56 PM:

Re: ?

quote:
Originally posted by juross
how are you blaming the dog and saying you wouldnt take a win and to minus it for not running track like sumone else said what if in fact your dog did run that track from where a guy laid a drag and left it there cause i leave coon in trees all the time?

If you will keep reading there is a line drawn threw the points. Can't score a dead coon in a tree. BUT even if you could my dog will not win a hunt treeing a dead coon. He knows it is dead,he knows not to mess with a dead coon and I AM NOT TAKEING A WIN FROM SOMEONE ELSE THAT DESERVES IT BY TREEING A DEAD COON or anything else I can't feel good about.

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-19-2010 12:04 AM:

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Originally posted by dane_mullis dogs treeing cats are not scratched they are minused unless you see a coon also. they are not game animals and they are not livestock... If you go by the rules strictly you can not scratch a dog for treeing a cat. P.S. Yes haha it was a blue dog

Are you sure? Not even ntch and grntch dogs? Ive saw it once on RQE and once on a ntch cast.

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Posted by josh on 02-19-2010 12:08 AM:

A cat will get you scratched as fast as a possum.

Unbelievable...

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