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Posted by Blaine Stout on 12-31-2009 03:01 PM:

What the heck were they hunting?

Was it just a field trial? That is not real good when only one dog makes it to the finish! LOL I am sure it will be a long time before I have the money to buy one of these pups but a man has to have a dream!

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 12-31-2009 03:10 PM:

Re: What the heck were they hunting?

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Originally posted by Blaine Stout
Was it just a field trial? That is not real good when only one dog makes it to the finish! LOL I am sure it will be a long time before I have the money to buy one of these pups but a man has to have a dream!

That was a Boar Scent Drag Field Trial !! And yes Only 1 Crossed for a Long While !! lol I asked Gally about that and He said that the Trail was about 3 Miles .. So Then I could Understand why They Got Spread Out so Much !!

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Posted by Mike_Flores on 12-31-2009 03:28 PM:

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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
It very Hard to Find all the Videos on YouTube on the GGS but their are Alot !! The French Termanality for "Boar Hunting With GGS's Can Be Verious" it could be "Chass de sanglier" or any other of a 100 things..

But their are Hound Fokes All Over the World !! Get to Know them !! This Guy is in Costa Rica and He has one Heck of a Blue Hound !!!!! These Hounds in Costa Rica are (By What I can Tell) Mostly Crosses of French Hounds/Bloodhounds/Bassetts

http://www.youtube.com/user/lfgallon#p/u/5/uFBljwOoY7w

That has got to be the most sorry display of dog work that I have EVER seen. One dog finishes, and very slowly at that???? If that were a live bear or live anything else they were cut into there would have been no hope of ever catching it.

Posted by Blaine Stout on 12-31-2009 03:32 PM:

Ok that makes a little more sense.

Well I guess you would definately want a fast track drivin hound for that. I guess I would just as soon have a pack of medium paced hounds that I could keep up with.

When I used to run coyote hounds I had 4 dogs. We hunted with about 6 other guys we had about 30 dogs all together. My dogs were mainly used as jump dogs. We free cast them and lat them get the yote warmed up then send in help. All of my hounds were slower dogs but we killed a lot of yotes in front of them. They hardly ever over ran a track and never pushed them so hard you couldnt keep ahead of them. I have posted this pic before but these were 2 of my hounds. The lemon and white one I still ahve at my buddies in Iowa.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 12-31-2009 03:57 PM:

Them Some Nice Ones Blaine !!!!! Man Your in Prime Country Now for Runnin Yotes !! Some Site Hounds mite make things interesting Also !!! The GGS Acts Simular to a Site Hound after a close Jump !! Heads Up and Pours it on but when the track is Cold the Nose is Glued to the Ground with a Deep Bawl every 10 the 15' ..

Another Interesting French Hound is the Ariegeois which are Crosses of the Petite GS and French Blues or Something like that..lol

This is a Field trial of Ariegeois and You will see the Pack miss the Check except 1 ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1v6Xp7lByI

This one is of the Ariegeois in a Boar Pen .. Not Much !! But their Mostly a Hare Hound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNojd0fKqAE&NR=1

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 12-31-2009 04:12 PM:

Here is another one of the Ariegeois in Itily on a Wild Boar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZGxgPrL-Y&NR=1

Posted by liontracker on 12-31-2009 04:29 PM:

Ariegeois

HISTORY

Developed in the French province of Ariege, from a series of matings between the Grand Bleu de Gascogne, Grand Gascon-Saintongeois and local Briquet hounds, the Ariegeois excels in hunting hare in the dry, rocky regions of its homeland. (Note: “Briquet” is often mistakenly translated as “Beagle”, but actually does not denote any certain breed. Rather, the term is used to describe medium-sized hounds which are finer-boned, shorter-coupled and more compact than the larger “Grand” breeds.)

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 12-31-2009 05:30 PM:

Thanks Tim !!! My Brain was in LOCK-UP Mode !!! lol

Hey Blaine look at this Site and down hear the Bottom theirs a Hound Standing on a Pick-up .. His name is Red .. He's one of my Pups and a Brother to My Hammer... They think he's the best thing in the World !! And a Yote Hound to-boot !!

http://www.yotesmokerkennels.webs.com/

Posted by Blaine Stout on 12-31-2009 09:48 PM:

Hey Steve

I had a red male like that. He was the best I had bar none. He could jump run and fight his own. Someone stole him out of my yard, right off the chain. It broke me I quit coyote hunting and gave my hounds away to friends. The only one I have left is Tango the lemon and white dog. I promised him he would die with me. But he is at one of my best friends house now. As you know my hounds are family to me not just dogs. It was just like kidnapping to me.I looked for him for months and hundereds of phone calls to people I knew that hunted. Never found him.

I had watched the 2 with the Ariegeois. They look pretty good also just not quite as big. Godd mouth to them though. I noticed that 1 dog keep the track though. He would be the one I would want not the dog barking followers. Wish it didnt cost so much to have them imported.

Oh Yes and mike sorry dog work or not. To chase a hog track for 3 miles in 5 minutes or less. That aint to bad for me. I think I would house most any of the hounds that could finish that track in under 30 min. I have seen coon hounds take 45 min to grub a track that went a quarter mile.

Posted by liontracker on 12-31-2009 11:37 PM:

The track dog is the key isn't it? How about one that can smell what the others can't? Same old problem next, put serious speed to it. The french like to hunt 6 at a time, for the music. The Africans like 6 for leopard. So imagine 6 of those lead track dogs, assembled into a pack, each and every one can catch it's own lion.
Nose + Track Speed = cats up trees on bad ground. Or hogs, or bears or coons...

The thing is that, there are many different strains of the GGS, some straight boar, some straight hare and some in between.

Posted by Blaine Stout on 12-31-2009 11:55 PM:

Track power is definately the most important

I want them to have the game but if they cant smell the track to get it started then what. I guess speed is one attribute that I have never worried about. I wouldnt want them to stand on their head but that doesnt seem to be any problem anymore. Most hounds can over run their nose these days. I would like any cross on the GGS if I could get them on pigs It has sort of becoming my new favorite sport. I went looking for some bobcat tracks today but didnt see any. Moutain Lion are not a common thing anywhere close by me with out getting into New Mexico. That has not been extremely easy to get done.

Posted by cedarhillkennel on 01-01-2010 12:16 AM:

tim the track dog is key.my deer hounds are just as you discribed.nose and speed except it doesnt equall a treed critter,to us its a big buck with my walkers burnin his rear up.he doesnt have time to think and his tounge is hanging out and thats when he makes a mistake and takes the dirt nap.i wont keep a deer hound that cant do it by itself.it has to be able to jump and run one ragged or i wont keep it.i have had a hound or two in the past that could catch a deer let alone a yote or two

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Posted by cedarhillkennel on 01-01-2010 12:27 AM:

three of my deer hounds

Posted by liontracker on 01-01-2010 12:28 AM:

deer

Deer huh? The reason I did not find much on the GGS on deer is because it is illegal most places in europe. But there was a period when the last wolf was killed, where it was legal to run deer and the GGS would catch and kill, no bullets needed, after all they were wolfhounds out of a job...looking for one.

Posted by cedarhillkennel on 01-01-2010 12:41 AM:

when i tell people we hunt deer with dogs most say thats crazy,heck only 11 states still allow it. its not sporting or fair now days it seems.

Posted by Blaine Stout on 01-01-2010 01:03 PM:

Not sure bout round your parts chuck

I am used to hunting in Iowa where it is illegal to run dogs on deer. But te deer are so thick that you dont need dogs. Walk thru the timber and tag out by noon 2nd day of the season. Dont take much to find or shoot them. Only aloud to use shotguns and slugs no rifles.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 01-01-2010 02:47 PM:

I was just Thinking !! But I think a Ariegeois Crossed on a Top Comp. Treeing Walker would Be Off the Wall !!!! Ofcourse it would take a few years of crosses back on itself .. But if a Breeder could Blend these two Hounds just right..
Well Just Thinking !!! lol

Well let me just add that I think Any of the French Hounds will Blend well with Our Current Stock of hound Breeds and they would be even Better !!

Posted by liontracker on 01-01-2010 03:33 PM:

If you are looking for the best French nose, then the GGS and the Aregeois are common knowledge in europe as such. Even more than the Grand Bleu, which was imported into this country in the 70's and quite a few people, but not all considered a flop.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 01-01-2010 03:41 PM:

Well Tim you know thats why I changed my Mind about Breeding to the Grand Blue in Tn. I just Felt it was the wrong French Additive .. Exp. after watching the Green DVDs !!!! lol

Posted by liontracker on 01-01-2010 03:47 PM:

Isn't it something how Bill Green went right straight to the head of the class, and he only bred hounds for about 10 years?

Posted by cedarhillkennel on 01-01-2010 04:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Well Tim you know thats why I changed my Mind about Breeding to the Grand Blue in Tn. I just Felt it was the wrong French Additive .. Exp. after watching the Green DVDs !!!! lol

where did you get the green dvd's from steve

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 01-01-2010 07:11 PM:

Their Avb. from John Green on Here .. John is Bills Grandson

Look for "Bow" at the Begeining of this Post

Posted by Blaine Stout on 01-01-2010 10:30 PM:

Steve

Turned the hounds on their first pig today! Man what a blast but we forgot the camera. Will get pics and video tommorow. Our walker cat dog he is 5, our plott female she is 1 first time seeing game, and our 2 english females 9 months old first time seein game. The plott female and the walker are fighters for sure they both caught and held. The 2 english just bayed but did and excellent job. Pig was about 100 pounds. Not bad for the first time any of the 4 have ever seen hogs. We are goin to training pen again tommorow.

Posted by ratdaddy1 on 01-02-2010 12:47 AM:

Heyman!!!

This is what we need to infuse into the english breed witch Iam tring to do the french hounds AREGEOIS I think will be the ticket !! If MAJESTIC TREE H could post the youtube stuff on the english for me as Iam dumb to doing it lol.lol. beleve me he will have some others that like what is there I have talked to liontracker about making these crosses on my dogs and hunting them on coon . from what I have seen in all the breeds we need new blood and I think the french dogs will be the trick ......

Posted by liontracker on 01-02-2010 01:37 AM:

The Aregeois

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O43KJ3JJuX4&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrVN8aBs3Wk&NR=1

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