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Posted by blues07 on 09-14-2009 06:55 PM:

from wat ive seen out of my female she is a house pet she is a awesoem bench dog and well she will tree a coon to i think it all depends on the breeder

i love her to death she is minds so well off leash and she will go hunting with the best but i dont no much bout hunting her in the hunts so i dont she will drive a track quicker that u can "go" she is a really good dog i wouldnt change it for the world i think that if u get a relationship with ur dog(close one) than they listen better wen i breed i just want the pups to go in good hands this guy that i no wants one but i dont think ill give him one because ive seen wat he has done to his pets ands wat he has done to his coondogs he has starved them till they die and i just dont want the pups to have to go through that its horable

but its just up to the breeder but i do understand bout wat u are breeding to but if just like 2 or3 outa 13 go to a pet home wont kill the pedagree but i would sell all to be a pet owners but its not my buisness wat the owner decides to do with the pups

i like wat some one said before "U CAN TAKE THE DOG OUT OF THE HUNT BUT U CANT TAKE THE HUNT OUT OF THE DOG"

I DONT NO THATS MY OPPINION

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Posted by John D on 09-14-2009 07:14 PM:

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Many 'pet' homes have now begun hunting. And that has been in half or more of the pet homes I've sold to. We take great joy in this. We can also see that those hunt instincts in our dogs is strong when a novice handler goes out hunting and has a great time with a successful hunt.

You bring up a very good point. I got into coonhunting because I got a B&T pup first and coonhunting came later. Had some things not fell into place there's a good chance that pup would have been nothing more than a pet.

I never shut the door completely on beginners or pleasure hunters getting a pup from me. I feel like if I'm raising the kind of pups that I think I am, then these pups might make a comp. hunter out of their owners.

Beginners can learn and alot of pleasure hunters will go to a hunt and win if they have a good dog.

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Posted by larrypoe on 09-14-2009 08:21 PM:

John,

I send my share home with young kids starting out too. The difference is I only send them home with them IF they intend to comp hunt in the near future. I like to find kids who have access to hounds already, and just try and send them home a better prospect than thay already have or have access too.

I still havent forgot Nick Olster and Kelly Stagner sending my first English dog home with me. I had grade dogs before that, and knew my way around a light and .22 rifle. I was 13.

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Posted by John D on 09-14-2009 09:32 PM:

Larry, where the heck have you been hiding at? I thought we were going to have to drag the Marmaton to find you, lol.

I agree, a kid that already has a taste of coonhunting and has the "fire" is a top prospect and I sure wouldn't turn them away, either.

I saw Nick Oster Sat. night. He should have got a cast win but thats another story.

Posted by ST_CRK_KENNELS on 09-14-2009 09:47 PM:

My hounds are an investment.

You don't go buy a collectors item gun and let it set in the truck and rust.

The way I see it if the pups that I raise don't get hunted it makes my female worthless. On the other hand if hunters get these pups, hunt them and they make coondogs, that shows the world that my female can reproduce and gives me a good rep, that way when I breed a female people are standing in line to buy one. As a breeder of COPMETITION STYLE COONDOGS, I don't want mine setting in someones recliner eating table scraps. Go pay 500.00 dollars for some papered cross breed that you can't even say the name of the breed, and make it your lap dog.

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Posted by larrypoe on 09-14-2009 11:12 PM:

John,

not to hijack this post, but I drive a semi hauling cows and dont get around much anymore.

I hope to get to a few big hunts this year though. Me or Loose either one arent getting any younger.

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Posted by KAYLA090205 on 09-15-2009 03:03 AM:

Hounds are one of the few breeds left that are actually performing the original function of the breed, and that is to hunt. It breaks my heart to see what the pet market has done to labs, golden retrievers, poodles, cocker spaniels, ect. That being said, as a breeder I strive to place my puppies in competition homes first; be it hunting, showing, or participating in other various events. (water races, field trials, ect.) But the NUMBER 1 GOAL of mine is to place my pups in the best possible home. If a family came to me and had thoroughly researched the breed, knew the challanges that came with having a hound, health issues, and training involved I see no problem with selling them a pup. Hounds do in fact, make wonderful pets. (You couldnt ask for a better pet than my Honey dog. She sleeps in the bed, has slid down the slide at McDonalds, been to the tanning bed, won alot of shows, a few comeptition casts, and will slam a coon pleasure hunting on the wknds!) I would send the family home with all the info I could give them on getting into coonhound events and my offer to help anyway possible. Anyone that shows up having already taking the time to research and prepare for a new hound addition will be a wonderful home and that should be what everyone wants for their pups. That being said, if a "hunter" showed up at my kennel wanting to purchase a puppy and I could already tell that pup would end up in the mud, chained to a barrel for its entire life being fed every other day, then they aren't leaving with a pup. I dont care about loosing the money or not, just because you can write a check doesnt qualify you to walk out with one of my pups. I take the time to work, train, and title my hounds. I put alot of research into breeding and alot of extra care and training into my pups before they leave and I reserved to right to sale them or not. If I dont think a hound makes the cut, I would have it fixed and do my best to find a responsible pet home because I dont believe in just shooting one or throwing it out, but I wouldnt knowingly send a cull on down the line to who knows where. I think fixing the animal would be the proper and responsible thing to do. JMO.....

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Posted by walkerdog2009 on 09-15-2009 06:18 AM:

exray

some walker and run a few blood test and YOU WILL SEE walkers and all hound breeds are dun ruined as fare as HEALTH and 4 one to not know this is not AS GOOD OF BREEDER AS THEY THINK.

Posted by savonuska on 09-15-2009 08:27 AM:

ok now i got a situation for all of the breeders...........do you police your fellow breeders?

Such as a coonhound was found at a hunt in horrible conditions and neglected. Who took care of it? a pet home! (who is quickly realizing the walker is not meant for city living) Anyone want to help this girl out and give her a GOOD home?

second scenario.....i personally rescued a walker from a pound and desperately am seeking her owner, untill then she is a pet because i dont hunt. so if she shouldnt be a pet, what should i do with her? let this obviously valuable girl die in teh pound cuz her owner either sucked and let her go or truly cares and just cant find her. Should i have let them euth her rather than bringing her home to my PET home?

(now mind you she will tree and bawl without stopping, also excelling at tracking, i have had experienced hound hunters tell me how lucky i got that i "found" such a valuable dog. roflmao tell me that when she is bawling at the neighbors toy dogs, or when she is crawling in my lap to be loved on.)

and that leads me to MY OPINION........... walkers can be great loyal companions but omg keep them stimulated or you will pay.LOL

feel free to flame the newbie now........
Becky

ps and yes this "pet" girl has peeked my interest in tracking and teh art of hunting, just not ME actually going out hunting.

Posted by l.lyle on 09-15-2009 09:12 AM:

A friend of mine hog hunts. He got a dog,not registered, from a fellow that said she was a leopard cur. My friend said she is the best hogdog he ever had and when she came in heat he brought her over to get bred by my sho nuf good blue merle leopard cur coooon dog. She had eight pups. She got ear cancur. In southern states July, it was hot,pups got coccidiosis, he had to take her off two weeks early to save her.

My girlfriend picked mine, the pick of the litter for breeders fee, the one that was sickest, with two blue eyes, and half white. A big no no for worrying about the double merle gene. My girlfriend is a nurse and she nursed that pup back to health. With two blue eyes I figured she was blind but it turned out she was deaf instead.

Pup is now 3 months old and unless its sleeping nothng gets past it. If it is sleeping the shot heard round the world won't wake her. But let one of my stranger buddies (not that they stink so bad) come around and she can hoot so loud it will wake the trailer park.

I'm thinkin about actually training her like my coon dogs. Talk about an independant dog, That'n couldn't get pulled by the Silver Streak locomotive. And when I say Hyah, and touch her with the remote control, bet den she'll hyah.

Other than that she'll make a good pet.

Posted by jbpriest on 09-15-2009 10:22 AM:

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I completley disagree!! You want a pet get a pet! Leave the coon dogs alone!!!!!! Way to many different types of breeds of dogs out there to be selling or giving them away as pets!!!!!! On top of that think about the years and years it takes to create a sucsessfull line of dogs just to see it destroyed by making some of them pets!!!! Why anyone would want a coonhound as a pet is beyond me.

Why wouldn't anyone want a coonhound for a pet? They're well behaved, train well, easy temperement, good with kids, easy with strangers if your around. If they're pets they should be fixed though. You could sell culls as pets, and have it in the contract that they get fixed and not bred.

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Posted by KAYLA090205 on 09-15-2009 01:46 PM:

Actually I have xrayed and run blood tests on quite a few hounds considering I worked for some time as a vet technican, for a vet that owned and competition hunted hounds and therefore we saw a much larger volume or hounds and curs than most offices. Contrary to your statement, hounds are a fairly healthy and hardy breed, as a whole. You will always have health issues with certain individuals, one of mine for example has hyperglycemia, and you will have specific bloodlines which have seemingly similar problems, but I was referring to how several breeds have known health issues directly relevant to the breed of dog that they are; such as labs are prone to hip & elbow displyaisa, dalmations to deafness, and english bulldogs to skin allergies. Anyone buying one of my pups are informed that hounds are considered a large breed dog with alot of gastrointestinal area and therefore are subjectable to bloat (although not as bad as Great Danes, Mastiffs, and bloodhounds). They are also long eared and therefore a good canidate for ear infections, which left untreated can cause deafness. Hip & elbow displaysia are also becoming more frequent in hounds, seemingly more in AKC black & tans but I am not sure of a statistic on that, just personal experience.

Posted by larrypoe on 09-15-2009 03:20 PM:

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Originally posted by walkerdog2009
some walker and run a few blood test and YOU WILL SEE walkers and all hound breeds are dun ruined as fare as HEALTH and 4 one to not know this is not AS GOOD OF BREEDER AS THEY THINK.

I can tell you exactly the genetic health risks my hounds are prone to. I started with similar bred hounds 25 years ago, and can go back for generations and pick out dogs I hunted with personaly or littermates to them ect.

Example Bingo dogs are a little more prone to hip problems and have a higher than normal instence of heart murmers.

Timber Valley Lucky had to be put down way before her time because of kidney failure.

How far back behind them? Well lets see when I first started in English, Nicks stud dog was a littermate brother to Tenbrooks Blue Queen. That takes it back another 3 or 4 generations.

Bud Keller (Kellers Mike) spent hours giving me the rundown of the dogs before Mike (about 5 generations before). Circa pre1950s.

If thats not far enough, Kelly Stagner (Platte Valley) told me what he knew from personal experence some 25 years ago. That puts us in the 1940ish era. Way before my time.

I have a notebook with just that kind of information on not only alot of the dogs, but on what there offspring were like as well. All of it came from there owners/breeders, or from personal experence myself.

I have done my homework. In the woods as well as at the oldtime breeders kitchen tables.

Becky, I know first hand how good of pets hounds are. I have a duel grand/world hunt finalist sitting on the couch right now. He wouldnt be there if he hadnt proven himself in the woods first. He would be about 6 feet deep right now.

And the vet assnt is right as a whole hounds are very healthy breeds.

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Posted by Cleo on 09-15-2009 03:48 PM:

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THINKIN' THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE READING THIS THREAD AND GETTING SOMETHING OUT OF IT ~ WON'T.

I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE THAT BREED HOUNDS FOR THE SAKE OF $$$$$$$$$$$ ONLY. AFTER THE FACT, THEY ARE STUCK WITH PUPS THEY HAVE NO CHOISE BUT TO SELL AS PETS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP THEM HEALTHY.

THEY ARE SLOWLY TAKING THE "HOUND" AWAY.

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Posted by KAYLA090205 on 09-15-2009 05:30 PM:

Thanks LarryPoe, I have a notebook similar to yours of my own for my Walkers and I am working on one for my Plotts. I havent been breeding and hunting as long as alot of people on here but I've done my research, talked to the older hunters that have owned my bloodlines of dogs for years, and ordered an offspring report on my female, Honey, for the one time she was bred before I aquired her. I am in the process of tracking down her pups now. I keep in contact with all of my dogs breeders and greatly encourage anyone who gets a pup from me to keep up with me so I can keep the info going.

Posted by Maniac on 09-15-2009 05:55 PM:

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Originally posted by KAYLA090205
Hounds are one of the few breeds left that are actually performing the original function of the breed, and that is to hunt. It breaks my heart to see what the pet market has done to labs, golden retrievers, poodles, cocker spaniels, ect. That being said, as a breeder I strive to place my puppies in competition homes first; be it hunting, showing, or participating in other various events. (water races, field trials, ect.) But the NUMBER 1 GOAL of mine is to place my pups in the best possible home. If a family came to me and had thoroughly researched the breed, knew the challanges that came with having a hound, health issues, and training involved I see no problem with selling them a pup. Hounds do in fact, make wonderful pets. (You couldnt ask for a better pet than my Honey dog. She sleeps in the bed, has slid down the slide at McDonalds, been to the tanning bed, won alot of shows, a few comeptition casts, and will slam a coon pleasure hunting on the wknds!) I would send the family home with all the info I could give them on getting into coonhound events and my offer to help anyway possible. Anyone that shows up having already taking the time to research and prepare for a new hound addition will be a wonderful home and that should be what everyone wants for their pups. That being said, if a "hunter" showed up at my kennel wanting to purchase a puppy and I could already tell that pup would end up in the mud, chained to a barrel for its entire life being fed every other day, then they aren't leaving with a pup. I dont care about loosing the money or not, just because you can write a check doesnt qualify you to walk out with one of my pups. I take the time to work, train, and title my hounds. I put alot of research into breeding and alot of extra care and training into my pups before they leave and I reserved to right to sale them or not. If I dont think a hound makes the cut, I would have it fixed and do my best to find a responsible pet home because I dont believe in just shooting one or throwing it out, but I wouldnt knowingly send a cull on down the line to who knows where. I think fixing the animal would be the proper and responsible thing to do. JMO.....

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Posted by CGATEWD on 09-15-2009 06:13 PM:

WHIPPED

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Posted by s/s on 09-15-2009 07:41 PM:

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Hounds are one of the few breeds left that are actually performing the original function of the breed, and that is to hunt. It breaks my heart to see what the pet market has done to labs, golden retrievers, poodles, cocker spaniels, ect. That being said, as a breeder I strive to place my puppies in competition homes first; be it hunting, showing, or participating in other various events. (water races, field trials, ect.) But the NUMBER 1 GOAL of mine is to place my pups in the best possible home. If a family came to me and had thoroughly researched the breed, knew the challanges that came with having a hound, health issues, and training involved I see no problem with selling them a pup. Hounds do in fact, make wonderful pets. (You couldnt ask for a better pet than my Honey dog. She sleeps in the bed, has slid down the slide at McDonalds, been to the tanning bed, won alot of shows, a few comeptition casts, and will slam a coon pleasure hunting on the wknds!) I would send the family home with all the info I could give them on getting into coonhound events and my offer to help anyway possible. Anyone that shows up having already taking the time to research and prepare for a new hound addition will be a wonderful home and that should be what everyone wants for their pups. That being said, if a "hunter" showed up at my kennel wanting to purchase a puppy and I could already tell that pup would end up in the mud, chained to a barrel for its entire life being fed every other day, then they aren't leaving with a pup. I dont care about loosing the money or not, just because you can write a check doesnt qualify you to walk out with one of my pups. I take the time to work, train, and title my hounds. I put alot of research into breeding and alot of extra care and training into my pups before they leave and I reserved to right to sale them or not. If I dont think a hound makes the cut, I would have it fixed and do my best to find a responsible pet home because I dont believe in just shooting one or throwing it out, but I wouldnt knowingly send a cull on down the line to who knows where. I think fixing the animal would be the proper and responsible thing to do. JMO.....

Totally agree....

In our 2 litters from Tracker, our 1st and 2nd goals were to find good(1st) competition(2nd) homes. No matter if it were hunting, water, field, show or even search & rescue homes. We do place pups in pleasure hunting homes more often than the others. Because it seems those folks are the ones that are willing to take a pup for what it is, a pup...They bond with and mold this pup and it then becomes part of the family along with being a hunting partner. Meaning, most of the time, that it has a HOME, not a stopping place until the next dog house. Pet homes, from what we have seen, turns out to be pretty confussing for the pup. Not all the time, but in some cases. Their instincts keep them in trouble, which makes for an exhausted pet owner and a pup that just finds it hard to fit in.
This is what I have been seeing happen in competition homes. 'Some', not all, but 'some' of the ones that go on to mostly competiton homes, get put back up for sale. Sometimes before the pup has even been with them a few months. In 'some' cases the pups are sold two or three times before they are even 2 years old. One day this pup is turning it on and money can't buy this pup. A couple months down the road you hear through the grape vine, that so and so, sold that pup for what ever reason. Then you wind up loosing track of what and how the puppy is doing. Because these folks don't tell you that they sold this pup that only a few months ago, money couldn't buy it. If you are lucky you may meet the person that now has your pup, down the road at an event, that says, hey, my name is so and so. I have one of your pups! In our case the ones that have gone on to pleasure hunting homes have been the best and most informative on how the pups are coming on in the woods. Those pups have homes and are doing what they were bred to do. Hunt.
I know that the pad numbers are what competition folks want to see. The competition folks are what helped those hounds make those numbers. The goals are to produce good performing hounds in the woods. I look at those numbers often, they do mean a good deal to us. But, when having pups, for us, good homes 1st. Hopefully to a good competition home. But, a good pleasure home is always a placement for one of our puppies. I truely enjoy talking about the progress of our pups. So far those are the only pups I have been able to keep up with. One litter is less than 2 years old. The youngest just turned 7 months. Both litters are young. All I can do is keep hoping that I will finally see a posted result somewhere of one of our young pups. I know some are coming. But, I wished I knew for sure of some of the ones that I have lost track of. From what we are hearing, we are very, very pleased with the progress of our pups.

This is just our experience on these two litters of ours and not a reflection to anyone else...

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Posted by capt_agricultur on 09-15-2009 09:43 PM:

JMO

Ever pull up to a coon hnters place when ther not hom & see algee in the water bucket or no water at all Dog crap all over no straw in the box... not seen @ many pet owners homes

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