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Posted by john Duemmer on 08-12-2009 09:55 PM:

Treeslammin hillbilly won Oaks.

Posted by GA DAWG on 08-12-2009 10:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by M.TARLTON
I wish the bigger hunts would be held in the south in a smaller coon population than somewhere a beagle could tree a coon.

You mean kinda like the AKC world hunt?? Might want to look and see if a blue has won it lately

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Posted by jtwsr on 08-12-2009 11:45 PM:

My 2 cents,

When I fist started I wanted a bluetick, I unfortunately new to the sport at the time and not knowing anyone I ended up with walkers. I have had several and currently have 3 blueticks and still have 2 walkers in the kennel. I personally prefer listening to bluedogs than the walkers, Yes I had a LOUD walker but the chop, chop goes right thru me from most. I like the long drawled out BAwwwl from the ticks more so than I do from the walkers. Also I have head less problems from the bluedogs being noisy in the kennel, than the walkers, most of the walkers I have had insesivly have barked in the kennel and hard to keep quite, My experience, not necessarily fact, just the way it has been here. I personally like the look, the color and the larger and the longer ear the better. it all comes down to what a person likes.

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Posted by jculler8 on 08-12-2009 11:54 PM:

Re: Come To Canada

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Originally posted by Solid-Northern
In Dec. through April and I will show you why I hunt Blueticks , your welcome to bring your fancy Walker dogs , and lots of warm clothes and a sharp skinning knife . Remember that there is good and bad in them all .

I tree consistantly 100+ coon a season with my WALKER DOG. AND that's in 0-10 degree weather a lot of nights.

Take a look back at the camera coon hunt on here a couple years back. I think the bitch treed close to 80 all by herself over that 3 month winter period!

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Posted by jculler8 on 08-12-2009 11:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by M.TARLTON
I wish the bigger hunts would be held in the south in a smaller coon population than somewhere a beagle could tree a coon. Walkers have no hunting stlye they take off in a straight line and run as fast as they possibly can until they strike. Blueticks tend to be wider hunters who dont miss many coon. If the world hunt was held where I live there wouldnt be many scores over 1000 without cheating. Them high powered walker dogs would be outa the country and there would either be alot of time wasted either walking miles or timeouts when the other breeds are hunting wide and find a coon and tree it and when that walker dog hears another dog they are coming to get a piece of the race or grab the tree(typical of 99% of the walkers ive hunted with). And who you think would win not that walker that didnt get first strike or first tree. I hate buckets they were designed for the walkers. Just like hunting ditches full of coons the first dog in the front is gon get first strike. If these hunts were held in big woods the results would drastically change.

I guess only BLUETICKS win in NC??? hahaha

Posted by turman on 08-13-2009 12:01 AM:

I think Paulie was offering a hunt in tougher conditions than PA sees most winters!

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Posted by calblu on 08-13-2009 12:53 AM:

3 of the more consistent cast winning walkers out here in California the last couple years have been 2 local "off-season" bear dogs and a rumored cull coondog from Michigan. Not really sure what to make of that, so I'll just stick with my blueticks for now.

Posted by Bradley E. Hall on 08-13-2009 01:54 AM:

Men I am surprised that none of the Bluetick men has come on here and shared that there was a Bluetick in the past 10 years who won the NKC world hunt back to back. My mind is blank and cannot remeber but the only reason I do is because there has only been 5 maybe 6 dogs that has ever won the same KC back to back and I believe only 3 of them was with the same handler. The reason I know is because I hunt Walkers out of the UCHA 87 and 88 World Champion Tree Talking Bama handled by my good friend Harvey Joe Whitaker. The Big D or Deamon dog that Russ Bellar owns is from this blood line!!! Joe and I was talking after the BLue dog won the NKC world hunt back to back because it brought back memories of when Joe did it with Bama. What was the name of the NKC World Champion Bluetick. I also heard that both the Bluetick ASSC. put up $5000 Dollars a piece for the first assc member to win the UKC world hunt with a blue dog for it has never happend, is this true!!!?

Posted by Bradley E. Hall on 08-13-2009 02:00 AM:

I believe the dog was from Ohio, Blue River Droop or something like that.

Posted by Solid-Northern on 08-13-2009 06:18 AM:

Re: fact check

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Hilty
[B]Last year Tide won the PKC 2008 Youth World hunt. I believe it was in the south Alabama or Georgia. Big mouth, go deep, get treed under a coon.
He is a Bluetick trained as a pup in Ohio. He is out of old Blood, the Blueticks do have what it takes.
I am sure you can find one you like.

Mike

10 - 4 Tide's sire was trained by the junker pictured above , and yes Tide is more than capeable to compete at any level with anything and is as described by Mr Hilty

Posted by TreeTex on 08-13-2009 07:50 AM:

I hunt blueticks cause I have just had better luck with them. Kinda like why does someone drive a ford instead of a chevy or vice versa. Doesn't mean one is better than the other it just means that particular person has had better luck with that particular breed or brand. Like fishing, if you fish 3 or 4 different spots one day and you catch a bunch of fish in one particular spot you'll probably try it again another day. 2 hours after you left and went home a whole school of fish may have been biteing for some other folks at one of the spots you didn't have any luck in. Just the way it goes.

Posted by coon hunter on 08-13-2009 10:10 AM:

I hunt Blueticks.....

because I like 'em. I've had walkers, B&Ts, english, curs and 1 plot and found that there are good and bad in ALL breeds. Out of all the ones I've owned I have culled more walkers than any other (prolly 5 to 1). I pleasure hunt right now and will not hunt anything that is not a pleasure to hunt. When I get back into comp hinting I'd prolly go thru and cull about 15 walkers to find one that is right for the hunts.

For now I want a dog to finish the track he starts, check in if he don't strike and when I go to a tree I want to see a coon.

My comp dog needs to be 65 to 70% accurate, and don't come back until I pull him off a tree! If he don't find a track keep going until he does, if he is running a track and comes across a hotter track, he needs to quit the track he's running and switch over to the hotter one. That is what you find in the walker dogs and that my friends is why I comp hunt walkers, it's not because they are a better all around breed.

Walkers have been bred for comp hunting and comp hunting is all a comp bred dog is good for. There are PLENTY of good pleasure walkers running around (just like what I mentioned earlier), but to a serious comp hunter they are culls to.

Hope I haven't offended anybody, I'm giving you my opinion on how I see it.

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Posted by Chobbsrdbnes on 08-13-2009 04:49 PM:

Bluetics

All i have to say is when the money is on the line you better leave that bluedog in the pen and pull youre walker dog out. If anyone wants to argue just look at the money hunt winners. Tell me how often do you see a blue dog win? Almost never. Its amazing how an oversized slick treeing hot nosed mee too dog wins so much isnt it? Oh wait lets use the same excuse we have been using for years there are way to many of them. I personally get tired of hearing that! Maybe you all should join the club like i had to do to get in the winners circle.

Posted by TreeTex on 08-13-2009 05:35 PM:

Re: Bluetics

quote:
Originally posted by Chobbsrdbnes
All i have to say is when the money is on the line you better leave that bluedog in the pen and pull youre walker dog out. If anyone wants to argue just look at the money hunt winners. Tell me how often do you see a blue dog win? Almost never. Its amazing how an oversized slick treeing hot nosed mee too dog wins so much isnt it? Oh wait lets use the same excuse we have been using for years there are way to many of them. I personally get tired of hearing that! Maybe you all should join the club like i had to do to get in the winners circle.

I don't competition hunt myself, but i know a LOT of bluetick folks that win very consistently. Two that come to mind quickly are Lee Smith out in Oklahoma and Harry Pradon right here in Cartersville. Those two hunt blueticks and they win very reguarly. Heck, the sire to my pup was bullet II and he won 13 out of 17 casts he was put in. I'd call that good. Harry's sender female won a cast when she was 9 months old and won her cast both nights at winter classic this year. I'd call that good.

Posted by GA DAWG on 08-13-2009 06:11 PM:

Re: Re: Bluetics

quote:
Originally posted by TreeTex
I don't competition hunt myself, but i know a LOT of bluetick folks that win very consistently. Two that come to mind quickly are Lee Smith out in Oklahoma and Harry Pradon right here in Cartersville. Those two hunt blueticks and they win very reguarly. Heck, the sire to my pup was bullet II and he won 13 out of 17 casts he was put in. I'd call that good. Harry's sender female won a cast when she was 9 months old and won her cast both nights at winter classic this year. I'd call that good.

You know some that consistantly win around here?? Maybe he needs to branch out so others can hunt against these fine blue dogs!! I no of none that consistantly win hunts in north ga..

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Posted by coon dawg on 08-13-2009 06:15 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Bluetics

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
You know some that consistantly win around here?? Maybe he needs to branch out so others can hunt against these fine blue dogs!! I no of none that consistantly win hunts in north ga..

.......what about that Pradon dude's hounds......Mulberry Blue whatevers??????????.....he seems to win quite a bit up there................maybe not as much since one of his hunting friends was barred.................lol

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Posted by Chobbsrdbnes on 08-13-2009 07:09 PM:

Its very simple. All you have to do is look in the state race standings for every state in the country. Please tell me how many blue dogs do you see? Youre lucky to see 1 in the top 20 per state and all you claim theres so many good ones well where are they all hiding?

Posted by Jay Chadwick on 08-13-2009 07:09 PM:

When I first started coonhunting one of my early mentors was a walker dog man that was from the same neighborhood as me. He hunted the Finley River and Spring Creek Rock strain of walker dogs. We hunted many nights together and I learned alot of things from him and his dogs including how to use a wildlife tracker. My friend made no secret of his dislike of the blue dogs. Back in those days I did not have a hound of my own as I was still a kid at home and my parents would not allow me another dog aside from my one lab. One night we were joined by an older fella from across the river in nebraska that had an old bluetick female. It was the first I had seen of one. We had turned out and it had been awhile without a stike. At some point it became evident that the walker dog had left the section we were hunting and my friend got in the truck to go track him down. I stayed with the old boy and he suggested we wander up the crick to see where old blue might be. It had not been long before the old girl had got herself treed. I remember thinking what a pretty voice she had. We shot her coon out and discussed what to do next. We could no longer hear my friends truck or see any lights. This was back before cell phones and such. We decided to turn old blue up the crick again and we made our way along. It was probably a good hour or more before my friend made a re-appearance. The old boy and I were waiting for him on the road with the three skinned coon we had caught. I decided then I wanted to get me a bluetick and I have been a blueticker for better or worse ever since.

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Posted by Bradley E. Hall on 08-13-2009 07:25 PM:

Great story Jay.

Posted by Fred Harroun on 08-13-2009 07:26 PM:

chobbsredbones,i see you hunt red dogs and you sayin the bluedogs aint know good lol.i dont see they red dogs winnin the big hunts either.why do people have to bash other breeds dont make sense to me.hunt what you like.

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Posted by Chobbsrdbnes on 08-13-2009 07:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Chobbsrdbnes
Its very simple. All you have to do is look in the state race standings for every state in the country. Please tell me how many blue dogs do you see? Youre lucky to see 1 in the top 20 per state and all you claim theres so many good ones well where are they all hiding?

All i can say is its amazing how you can present factual evidence and yet its ignored.

Posted by Fred Harroun on 08-13-2009 07:32 PM:

chobbsrdbones i see you hunt red dogs and i dont see many of them winnin the big hunts,why does people have to get on here and bash other breeds dang hunt what ya want and dont worry about what the other guy is huntin.

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Posted by Jay Chadwick on 08-13-2009 08:09 PM:

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Originally posted by Bradley E. Hall
Great story Jay.

Bradley, I would also like to add that I hunted with Undertaker in a registerd cast at bboa days one year and he operated exactly as you described and was the cast winner. This was back before he was a UKCGRNTCH or PKC CH or whatever. I thought he was a very nice hound.... I just went back and read some of these posts on here and I would also like to say that for me personally the whole "bluetick thing" is really about alot more than just "winning" a cast somewhere on some given night or "winning" some money it is about my fellow "blue brothers" that I have met over the years and the extended "family" it has created for me. Dont get me wrong, I like to win a cast now and then. It is fun. The older I get it just seems the less importance it holds for me. Yes, we bootickers are stubborn and set in our ways. It's a fact. I have been hunting the same family of blue dogs since 1995. Dont plan on changing anything because of a scorecard somewhere. I imagine alot of bluetickers feel the same way.

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Posted by jculler8 on 08-13-2009 08:54 PM:

Re: BLUETICKS

quote:
Originally posted by dean mace
I own blue dogs myself but i train all kind,they are good in all and theres also bad.but i will hunt a good blue dog over any of them the reason i dont comp. hunt alot its hard to win getting s... by judges.and run here if it aint walker dog you aint got much hope in this time of year when leaves fall were do all the walkers go at the hunts.you cant lie when you lookin at there eyes.

blue dogs dont win anymore in december compared to june. its all the same.

Posted by TreeTex on 08-13-2009 10:56 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bluetics

quote:
Originally posted by coon dawg
.......what about that Pradon dude's hounds......Mulberry Blue whatevers??????????.....he seems to win quite a bit up there................maybe not as much since one of his hunting friends was barred.................lol

Yes. That's who i mean. Harry already has sender qualified for the world hunt. I will be the first to admit that if ALL that mattered to me was to win the hunts then yes, I'd be huniting a walker dog. However, that is not ALL that matters to me. That's just what i think.

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