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Posted by martin921 on 02-03-2009 03:16 AM:

I agree i love mine, can see were there at and grab em if they get into any danger(dog thieves).

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Posted by cmstoney on 02-05-2009 05:39 PM:

Good Thread

Do you have to use a yagi and does it have to be a 155 frequency?

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Posted by DSKennels on 02-05-2009 05:41 PM:

You only need the Yagi to increase range. The garmin will go about 4 miles by itself. If you get a yagi, it needs to be 155 frequency because the garmin is 152 freq. and it is close enough to be compatible.

Posted by POTOMAC on 02-05-2009 07:01 PM:

best there is no more beep beep. i saw a few threads back about distance and where i hunt it is considered thin coon and hard hunting but my hounds you can hear if you listen at 800 yards through thick cover and drainages i would like to hear a hound a mile away. and if you got a hound in my country that goes out of range of the garmin hes not running a coon. a mile is a long way. i have cotten consistantly 1.3 miles with no interference and have not yet needed more than factory antenna.knock on wood i think it would be a cheap insurance policy. jmo

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-05-2009 07:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by POTOMAC
best there is no more beep beep. i saw a few threads back about distance and where i hunt it is considered thin coon and hard hunting but my hounds you can hear if you listen at 800 yards through thick cover and drainages i would like to hear a hound a mile away. and if you got a hound in my country that goes out of range of the garmin hes not running a coon. a mile is a long way. i have cotten consistantly 1.3 miles with no interference and have not yet needed more than factory antenna.knock on wood i think it would be a cheap insurance policy. jmo

You dont think you can hear a hound at a mile away? LOL......

Posted by Rip on 02-05-2009 08:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by POTOMAC
best there is no more beep beep. i saw a few threads back about distance and where i hunt it is considered thin coon and hard hunting but my hounds you can hear if you listen at 800 yards through thick cover and drainages i would like to hear a hound a mile away. and if you got a hound in my country that goes out of range of the garmin hes not running a coon. a mile is a long way. i have cotten consistantly 1.3 miles with no interference and have not yet needed more than factory antenna.knock on wood i think it would be a cheap insurance policy. jmo

Then you wouldn't be in what I would call thin coon. Where I am from they may be more than a half a mile away before they even strike. Don't know anybody that is running tracks a mile long, just having a deep huntin dog that don't come back they can get a mile or two away before they tree if you really are huntin thin coon.

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Posted by HOBO on 02-05-2009 11:15 PM:

For those of you that keep saying the recieving range with the garmin is an issue can I ask a question? If the garmin shows your dog out around 800 yards and still going away why in the world would you be staying in the same spot? You can keep up with the hound and not have an issue with the range.

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Posted by truebluefordman on 02-05-2009 11:29 PM:

hobo i agree with you ,,, but in your neck of the woods the next road might be 5 miles away and a few great big hills ..lol. the only flat spots i saw over there had towns built there.

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Posted by josh on 02-05-2009 11:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
For those of you that keep saying the recieving range with the garmin is an issue can I ask a question? If the garmin shows your dog out around 800 yards and still going away why in the world would you be staying in the same spot? You can keep up with the hound and not have an issue with the range.

Yea, I find myself moving a lot more than I used to.

The garmin will change the way you hunt.

Posted by HOBO on 02-05-2009 11:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truebluefordman
hobo i agree with you ,,, but in your neck of the woods the next road might be 5 miles away and a few great big hills ..lol. the only flat spots i saw over there had towns built there.

LOL

Usually here you have a rd thats not hardly that far away... LOL

But I have walked a few miles behind them thats for sure.

Posted by POTOMAC on 02-06-2009 01:14 PM:

i did not say striking a mile deep i dont know about yall but when my dog gets 600 to 800 yds away heading away from me i start looking and moving.and i still would like someone to bring a dog here were its flat thick and ditches and here him 1 mile away. not up on a hill overlooking the underbrush i have heard mine at a mile up above them but flat thick cover and 1 mile is a long way and as i stated earlier other than the 5% of the year when coons are rutting. if a dog runs a track( a hard running /pushing type dog) more than a mile in my country i likely is not a coon. i would like to hunt with some real loud dogs. i think mine have shown to have a way bettewr than average mouth. if interested in hunting just give ma a call thanks joe m571=233-5819

Posted by Rip on 02-07-2009 06:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by POTOMAC
i did not say striking a mile deep i dont know about yall but when my dog gets 600 to 800 yds away heading away from me i start looking and moving.and i still would like someone to bring a dog here were its flat thick and ditches and here him 1 mile away. not up on a hill overlooking the underbrush i have heard mine at a mile up above them but flat thick cover and 1 mile is a long way and as i stated earlier other than the 5% of the year when coons are rutting. if a dog runs a track( a hard running /pushing type dog) more than a mile in my country i likely is not a coon. i would like to hunt with some real loud dogs. i think mine have shown to have a way bettewr than average mouth. if interested in hunting just give ma a call thanks joe m571=233-5819

See that's the problem. You are trying say what is adequate equipment for someone and imply nobody should need more range etc. and you don't know the conditions. You mistakenly assume that you can just hop around and go get the dogs and move if they get 500 yards away. I got news for ya, it can't be done where many of us hunt, cause there's too much rough country between roads, and it might be 2-3 miles across that one section of country so rough there isn't even a 4 wheeler trail across it let alone a road.

You were the one insinuating that if you needed a long range collar your dog was trashing, and that you couldn't hear a dog a mile away.

All we did was explain to you why that if you really DID hunt in thin coon and rough country you WOULD need a long range tracker, and I did state I did hear a dog treed at 2.2 miles by GPS. Only time I ever really checked it, but mainly noticed it cause we had to walk so far to get to the dogs and I had a new GPS.

I have heard a great many dogs over a mile away, it's not uncommon and they don't have to be particularly loud. Voices carry in the mountains, roll down a holler etc. If the dogs get out of pocket, before trackers, we went to the top of the nearest ridge and listened. You could hear them a very long ways. At the same time the loudest dog that ever lived could be out of hearing in less than a minute if they go over the ridge and down the other side, but that don't mean when you drive around to get closer you don't hear him and still be a mile or two away later on. Same dog, different conditions. That's just in our little 2-3000 foot mountains, I can't imagine how far they could hear a dog in the Rockys like Utah etc.

Different parts of the country have different needs and different situations and the people asking about range had valid concerns. Those concerns didn't mean that they didn't know how far a mile was, nor that their dogs were trashing, just that in their country they need range.

I hunted with a garmin tonight and was impressed. If the dog does go out of range you can see on the map the nearest road to where he was last and try and get closer to him. In doing that you will likely pick the signal back up. It's pretty neat. If the leaves/cover don't mess with it much I can see why people are getting rid of their beep beeps.

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Posted by JONAH on 02-07-2009 08:54 AM:

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Originally posted by Rip

I have heard a great many dogs over a mile away, it's not uncommon and they don't have to be particularly loud. Voices carry in the mountains, roll down a holler etc. If the dogs get out of pocket, before trackers, we went to the top of the nearest ridge and listened. You could hear them a very long ways. At the same time the loudest dog that ever lived could be out of hearing in less than a minute if they go over the ridge and down the other side, but that don't mean when you drive around to get closer you don't hear him and still be a mile or two away later on. Same dog, different conditions. That's just in our little 2-3000 foot mountains,back up.

I can understand dogs getting out of hearing in the area of the country where you are. I was born in Big Stone Gap, Va. and moved away with my family when I was around 7 years old but we visited family down there since then. I couldnt imagine coon hunting down there. There was a mountain right in front of my grandmothers house that there was no way you could walk straight up it. You would have to walk it at angles I am sure. And if you walked over the mountain to the town on the other side it was about 5 miles by foot but about 15 miles by the closest roads to get there.
Never hunted down there but had great-great grandparents and great-great family members who did. Never knew them just saw pictures of them with there hounds.
And also because of the snakes never really wanted to. I have an uncle and a good friend that I went to school with here who lives in Johnson City now. Neither one hunts and I cant say that I blame them. LOL

But I could see where a Garmin would be useless down there but here in Indiana where it is flat land and a road every mile or two the Garmin is the best thing since spreadable butter. Cant figure out how I ever hunted without it !

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Posted by on 02-07-2009 01:43 PM:

Jonah

I have seen a couple bad mountains in East Tn. and I get calls everyday from people in that area that want to purchase these Garmin Systems. From Bristol down to Tellico Plains I have sold several with very good results.

Posted by Joey Donelson on 02-07-2009 01:59 PM:

Bruce, whats the reason they can't put a battery in them that would last longer. I would like to have one because I love new toys & these really seem to be nice. The only concern I have left about them is if something did happen & I had to leave and wasn't able to get back until the end of next day. I know this rarley ever happens but you know what they say "stuff happens"

Posted by HOBO on 02-07-2009 02:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JONAH
I can understand dogs getting out of hearing in the area of the country where you are. I was born in Big Stone Gap, Va. and moved away with my family when I was around 7 years old but we visited family down there since then. I couldnt imagine coon hunting down there. There was a mountain right in front of my grandmothers house that there was no way you could walk straight up it. You would have to walk it at angles I am sure. And if you walked over the mountain to the town on the other side it was about 5 miles by foot but about 15 miles by the closest roads to get there.
Never hunted down there but had great-great grandparents and great-great family members who did. Never knew them just saw pictures of them with there hounds.
And also because of the snakes never really wanted to. I have an uncle and a good friend that I went to school with here who lives in Johnson City now. Neither one hunts and I cant say that I blame them. LOL
But I could see where a Garmin would be useless down there but here in Indiana where it is flat land and a road every mile or two the Garmin is the best thing since spreadable butter. Cant figure out how I ever hunted without it !

I grew up in Pound Va and some of those CRAZY guys down there will and do walk straight up... I use to be able to do that but I was about 75 lbs lighter then.. LOL I hardly ever turn a dog loose down in those mtns these days and when I do they usually go UP UP UP and UP somemore before they tree. LOL

Those rattlers down close to Big Stone Gap can get just a lil BIGGGG...

Posted by Rip on 02-07-2009 03:06 PM:

Bruce, you can go ahead and mark me down for a Garmin right now.

Like I said I was impressed with it last night. Best thing I ever seen (even shows you which mountain top they are on, never fails if I turn loose at the bottom they tree on top and vice versa LOL).

It will be around May before I can get one, but mark it down, you will be shipping another one to the mountains.

I am still a little concerned about heavy canopy cause I know how much it affects the regular hand held GPS units, but MAN did I love what I saw last night with the unit. I was wishin I had a garmin collar on my dog LOL.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 02-07-2009 06:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rip
Bruce, you can go ahead and mark me down for a Garmin right now.

Like I said I was impressed with it last night. Best thing I ever seen (even shows you which mountain top they are on, never fails if I turn loose at the bottom they tree on top and vice versa LOL).

It will be around May before I can get one, but mark it down, you will be shipping another one to the mountains.

I am still a little concerned about heavy canopy cause I know how much it affects the regular hand held GPS units, but MAN did I love what I saw last night with the unit. I was wishin I had a garmin collar on my dog LOL.

Rip the canopy WILL NOT Affect the astro..It aint like those other old handhelds!

Posted by josh on 02-07-2009 06:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Rip the canopy WILL NOT Affect the astro..It aint like those other old handhelds!

Yea, they work the same in the winter as summer.

Posted by JONAH on 02-07-2009 06:58 PM:

Re: Jonah

quote:
Originally posted by Bruce M. Conkey
I have seen a couple bad mountains in East Tn. and I get calls everyday from people in that area that want to purchase these Garmin Systems. From Bristol down to Tellico Plains I have sold several with very good results.

Bruce, So will they still work without being in the line of sight with the collar ? I can see it working if your on the same side of the mountain as the dog but if the dog goes over the top and starts down the other side I didnt think that would work. But hey I love mine and like I said I dont know how I ever hunted without mine !

Posted by PlottChaser on 02-08-2009 12:59 AM:

With gps it shouldn't have anything to do with line of sight to the collar as long as both the collar and the unit can see the satallite in the sky. Isn't that right? That's how I understand it anyway.

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Posted by JONAH on 02-08-2009 02:39 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by PlottChaser
With gps it shouldn't have anything to do with line of sight to the collar as long as both the collar and the unit can see the satallite in the sky. Isn't that right? That's how I understand it anyway.

http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/Astro_OwnersManual.pdf

Go to page 13. If I am reading it right.

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-08-2009 02:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by PlottChaser
With gps it shouldn't have anything to do with line of sight to the collar as long as both the collar and the unit can see the satallite in the sky. Isn't that right? That's how I understand it anyway.

That aint quite right..Yes the collar and unit get signal from the sky but they dont relay info that way..If they did it would never loose the collar..It kinda does work off line of site but it will pick up over hills..

Posted by on 02-08-2009 10:51 AM:

The line of sight comes into play with the transmillter and receiver sending each other VHF signals. If you look on the detail page of each dog it shows you a COMM signal and GPS signal strength. It takes both for them to work correctly.

Posted by on 02-08-2009 10:56 AM:

RIP I have talked to you for many years on these boards and had the pleasure of meeting you once. I know your a man of your word and if you want one I can send it out this week and you can pay in May.

I agree about the battery life in the collar being a weak link.
The one saving thing is by watching your dogs all the time you kind of keep them from getting lost.

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