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Posted by ov_blues on 12-24-2008 05:26 PM:

I think as far as training a dog most of Indiana has an advantage over trying to train a dog in rougher areas of the country. You can put a dog on more coon giving the dog more experience in a shorter amount of time there. Another advantage is that it is so much easier physically for the hunters to stay out and keep going longer which turns into more experience for the dog.

Posted by Lowell Lynn on 12-24-2008 05:35 PM:

I can not imagine a terrain more rough and grueling then the terrain I have started several young dogs. Several have sold for $3000.00 and more at eighteen months or less. Two in the last year. It wasnt the terrain that kept me from it, It was the terrain that made it possible.Just my opinion.

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Posted by John Wittenborn on 12-24-2008 06:12 PM:

There are some peoples logic,

on here that does not add up, when they say Indiana has more/better coonhounds than the rest of the country. That is like me asking how many Indiana dogs have won the Grand American, Winter Classic. Texas State Championship, Ada Walker Days, etc.

There might have been some there, but I can't even remember a dog from Indiana being at Ada Walker Days. This is NOT SAYING THAT INDIANA DOESN'T HAVE ANY GOOD COONHOUNDS EITHER. It's more of a REGIONAL THING, & thats getting back to driving time & major events that are close to home. If you didn't have alot of big Hunts within 800-1500 miles, HOW MANY WOULD YOU BE ATTENDING, EVEN IF YOU HAD A TOP DOG??????????????????????

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Posted by Hartrum on 12-24-2008 06:49 PM:

winning BIG hunts!

I believe since Handsome Hank has one the UKC world hunt this part of ohio has won 7 yes i said SEVEN world titles total and 1 3rd place finish.......
HANDSOME HANK
BATES/DUVALL
CRYTICAL CHUCK
TOM BATES
05 AKC WORLD
MR. SMITH
DON DUNLAP
06 AKC WORLD
BELLARS GABBY
SCOTT ENGLE
06 PKC WORLD
FIGHTIN' SIDE
ENGLE /GROSS
07 AKC WORLD
WIEOUT SPECK
BRIAN HARTRUM
08 AKC WORLD
MR. SMITH
DON DUNLAP
3RD PLACE 08 PKC WORLD
BUCK CREEK BLAZE
DON DUNLAP

NOT BAD FOR ONE AREA?

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Posted by truebluefordman on 12-24-2008 07:09 PM:

smoke i just pitch them names out there off top of my head. if i was to set down and look at all the world titles /pkc/acha /akc /ukc from day one it would be a long list of dogs. yes indiana has more coons than some states but ohio and ill and mich have just as many if not more this year and i think ky is starting to get more than there fair shair of coons too.. i think it has to do a lot with dog men knowing what to breed and how to train, not saying there are not people just as good in other states but maybe a little diff in style .

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Posted by GA DAWG on 12-24-2008 08:10 PM:

Re: winning BIG hunts!

quote:
Originally posted by Hartrum
I believe since Handsome Hank has one the UKC world hunt this part of ohio has won 7 yes i said SEVEN world titles total and 1 3rd place finish.......
HANDSOME HANK
BATES/DUVALL
CRYTICAL CHUCK
TOM BATES
05 AKC WORLD
MR. SMITH
DON DUNLAP
06 AKC WORLD
BELLARS GABBY
SCOTT ENGLE
06 PKC WORLD
FIGHTIN' SIDE
ENGLE /GROSS
07 AKC WORLD
WIEOUT SPECK
BRIAN HARTRUM
08 AKC WORLD
MR. SMITH
DON DUNLAP
3RD PLACE 08 PKC WORLD
BUCK CREEK BLAZE
DON DUNLAP

NOT BAD FOR ONE AREA?

Not bad...Yall must have some money in that area to.

Posted by Maniac on 12-24-2008 08:22 PM:

Re: Re: winning BIG hunts!

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Not bad...Yall must have some money in that area to.

YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD ABOUT HAVEING THE MONEY!!!

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Posted by elvis on 12-24-2008 08:23 PM:

Re: winning BIG hunts!

quote:
Originally posted by Hartrum
I believe since Handsome Hank has one the UKC world hunt this part of ohio has won 7 yes i said SEVEN world titles total and 1 3rd place finish.......
HANDSOME HANK
BATES/DUVALL
CRYTICAL CHUCK
TOM BATES
05 AKC WORLD
MR. SMITH
DON DUNLAP
06 AKC WORLD
BELLARS GABBY
SCOTT ENGLE
06 PKC WORLD
FIGHTIN' SIDE
ENGLE /GROSS
07 AKC WORLD
WIEOUT SPECK
BRIAN HARTRUM
08 AKC WORLD
MR. SMITH
DON DUNLAP
3RD PLACE 08 PKC WORLD
BUCK CREEK BLAZE
DON DUNLAP

NOT BAD FOR ONE AREA?

Bellars Deamon- pkc x2
Bellars Striker-acha
Bellars Pacman-wcha
Bellars Pacman-ukc
Boggie Bottom Bonnie-acha
Bellars Awesome Annie- pkc
Bellars Handsome Harry-akc
Bellars Gabby-akc
Bellars Janice Joplin-Ukc

A couple more world champs he owned
Eileen
Bluegrass Luther
Nelsons Radar
Whats up Doc

A few final cast dogs
Bellars Psycho-x2
Yadkin Rv Tom Tom
Bellar Ann
Crossroads Killer

Not too bad for 1 area and 1 man? LOL

When you commin for a hunt Hartum?

Posted by ov_blues on 12-24-2008 08:26 PM:

Northern Ohio also has the same training advantages as Northern Indiana. I'm from Southern Ohio in the hills and even though we have coon we can't get to the dogs as quick so we can get them on another track and tree. More tracks and trees obviously give a dog more experience in a shorter amount of time. Also, most hunters are not going to be able to hunt as long down here as you can in the flat country. You will just simply wear out faster. I've hunted in northern Ohio and I've hunted around Columbia City, IN and Manchester, IN and they are great places to hunt and train dogs. I do think that some other areas of the country that are rougher places to hunt are great to finish dogs out into coon dogs. I had a friend from Columbia City come down where I live once and after he hunted with me he said that he had gained a whole new appreciation for coon hunters in our area.

Posted by Hartrum on 12-24-2008 08:29 PM:

oh, lets say when season comes in around april when it warms up! lol

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Posted by Hartrum on 12-24-2008 08:38 PM:

this sport is not about money. if you enjoy the sport you should do it. the best thing i can tell you is that if you are tired of not being able to go to the big hunts the best thing to do is go get a job put your 40 hours a week in get your hound ready to go........ and dont wait on some one to give you any thing because in our life time you might be waiting for a while..........................yes there are a few people in our area that does have money.............. do you know how they received it? you got it they worked for it....until then... try it!!

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Posted by Cheyenne on 12-25-2008 12:51 AM:

Hartrum when did you get a 40 hour a week job??? lol!!!! Been doing much hunting, up here it has been terrible, alot of nights would cut the pads pretty good. Finally got Whittington healed up from his 4 wheeler wreck down to Chucks so maybe he might start hunting alittle, he needs a dog though!!!!!!

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Posted by Maniac on 12-25-2008 01:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hartrum
this sport is not about money. if you enjoy the sport you should do it. the best thing i can tell you is that if you are tired of not being able to go to the big hunts the best thing to do is go get a job put your 40 hours a week in get your hound ready to go........ and dont wait on some one to give you any thing because in our life time you might be waiting for a while..........................yes there are a few people in our area that does have money.............. do you know how they received it? you got it they worked for it....until then... try it!!

EVEN WHEN I DID HAVE A 40 HOUR WEEK JOB STILL COULDNT AFORD TO GO TO THE BIG HUNTS. BRAIN INTILL YOU GET A JOB!!!! DONT BE BASHING ANYONE ELSE!!!!

Posted by T Felderman on 12-25-2008 01:36 AM:

Re: why are the top dogs from indiana.

HHMMMM

Good reading, keep it coming.

Posted by Will Walker on 12-25-2008 03:21 AM:

Re: Re: winning BIG hunts!

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Not bad...Yall must have some money in that area to.

i know 4 or 5 of the seven guys listed and they are all 40 hour a week guys with average jobs. one guy has an office job during the day and has a little huntin store on the side, one i believe is a painter, one is a bridge superintendant who works at least 60 hours a week or more and a couple i know nothing about. it aint about money, its their love for the sport,knowledge of hounds and how to train them, determination to win and i think at all the big hunts theres a wee tiny bit of luck that better be on your side that night!! i also believe the best hound/handler hittin the big hunts right now is hartrum and big mama and nether is from indiana.

Posted by John M. Horner on 12-25-2008 03:37 AM:

I do believe Big Mamma came from Alabama or am I mistaken but of course I think coondogs come from all over not just one state or the other!!Most puppies were probably whelped in a different state started in another and then sold who knows where.But lets keep debating cause its nasty outside and can't go hunting so keep it coming!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by on 12-25-2008 03:50 AM:

If the best hounds really came from the best hunting grounds, Iowa would have produced all the winners.

Posted by John M. Horner on 12-25-2008 04:01 AM:

Hey Jim one thing for sure,I don't have much money here in Iowa.But there sure is some good coonhunting.My dogs all came from Missouri but I'm still trying to keep up with the import rules in this debate.So I'm not sure if they are Iowa dogs or Missouri dogs I'll try to keep up and see how it works out.Kind of reminds me of alot of casts I've been on I'm trying to figure out what rules were working with!!!LOL

Posted by z sinnwell on 12-25-2008 05:07 AM:

Why do all the top dogs come from Indiana? A more truthful post would be, why do all the top internet posters come from Indiana??

Posted by dogboy on 12-25-2008 05:12 AM:

STORMATTACK

I take it you did not see big momma score card from oa.man brian sure can walk fast going to a tree cant he when momma is treed

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Posted by GA DAWG on 12-25-2008 06:45 AM:

Is big momma going for a repeat at the classic this year?

Posted by Jay Chadwick on 12-25-2008 06:49 AM:

Everytime I go to a hunt in Indiana I learn some new tricks.

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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 12-25-2008 01:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by John M. Horner
Hey Jim one thing for sure,I don't have much money here in Iowa.But there sure is some good coonhunting.My dogs all came from Missouri but I'm still trying to keep up with the import rules in this debate.So I'm not sure if they are Iowa dogs or Missouri dogs I'll try to keep up and see how it works out.Kind of reminds me of alot of casts I've been on I'm trying to figure out what rules were working with!!!LOL

JOHN,THATS THE BEST POST SO FAR........ELVIS, ALL THEM DID NOT COME FROM INDIANA THEY MIGHT HAVE MOVED THERE BUT DID NOT COME FROM THERE(BUT IM SURE YOU KNOW THAT)........GOOD DOGS COME FROM HARD HUNTERS THAT LIVE IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES,MONEY BUYS THE DOGS AND THEY MOVE AND GET NEW HANDLERS..........AND ANOTHER THING IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IF YOUR NOT DEDICATED TO IT ...HARTRUM, ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MORE INPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE LIKE FAMILY TO SPEND THERE MONEY ON THAT THEY WORKED THERE SO CALLED 40 HR. A WEEK TO EARN SO I WOULD SAY THAT TAKES PRIORITY OVER HUNTIN.............

Posted by PatrickRobinson on 12-25-2008 01:50 PM:

COONDOGS COME FROM ALL OVER AND JUST BECAUSE IT ENDS UP IN INDIANA DOESN'T MEAN INDIANA HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH MAKING HIM/SHE A COONDOG.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 12-25-2008 02:13 PM:

Being from Indiana, I think it's safe to say that the top dogs are not all from Indiana. There are coon dogs everywhere you look, and if you look long enough, and you look hard enough, you'll find "top" dogs in every location!

We have fooled ourselves into believing that winning a big hunt makes a dog a "top" dog... We've convinced ourselves that if a dog is "featured" in one of the coon hound magazines, that makes it a "top" hound.

There is another thread running right now about "top handlers"...and you know what sets them aside? They travel the country and hunt with "top hounds"...and they learn to recognize what a "top hound" is.

A top hound is not necessarily one that wins the most, but it could be.... A top hound is a dog that goes out and gets the job done in a pleasing manner.

A top dog can usually be tied or housed behind the house of a true coon hunter, someone who is willing to sacrifice night in and night out....one who goes hunting regardless of the fact that its raining or about to rain. One that goes on nights when others think he's "crazy".

Don't let the $400.00 color ads fool you! There are good dogs in every location....

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