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Posted by MillsEnglish on 11-22-2008 04:32 AM:

I do understand what most are saying about a pups confidence and stuff like that but, eventually the dogs gonna have to learn that coon are not always easy to come by. I see no harm in hunting a young dog in bad conditions dont have to overdo it on it but, some on the job training i dont think would hurt it. If nothing else drop a caged coon out on it from time to time in adverse conditions to keep its training fresh.

Posted by elvis on 11-22-2008 04:34 AM:

maybe i should ask this question:

what effect will a 2 month lay-up have on a pup?

Posted by steve5005 on 11-22-2008 04:38 AM:

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quote:
Originally posted by stormattack
i agree 100%. i have a nice house bred female that is turnin it on real good but now its cold as heck and im not wastin my time out freezin to death wonderin why shes not treein anything. next week its gonna warm up some here and i will hunt her some more. i will pick my nights until the snow is here to stay then i wont hunt her but maybe once a week till spring.

She did a nice job last night in the cold about 1/2 mile in there with the meat. Look pretty good to me.

Posted by MillsEnglish on 11-22-2008 04:50 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
maybe i should ask this question:

what effect will a 2 month lay-up have on a pup?

On some probably not much and on others could have a lot. Depends on the "go" of the pup I suppose. I would try to get it out 1 time a week anyway. I hate to totally lay up any young dog completely over a couple weeks but thats just me. They will learn well past a year old so i dont think you will destroy it by any means...but after 2 months of not hunting you might have a bit of work to do when you start back hunting. Im by no means a pro but I was a good hand at pool and quit playing for awhile and im not what i used to be thats how i look at it.

Posted by Randy Tallon on 11-22-2008 12:35 PM:

Just like muscle memory in the gym. The trained mind comes back quickly and forges forward.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 11-22-2008 02:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MillsEnglish
I do understand what most are saying about a pups confidence and stuff like that but, eventually the dogs gonna have to learn that coon are not always easy to come by. I see no harm in hunting a young dog in bad conditions dont have to overdo it on it but, some on the job training i dont think would hurt it. If nothing else drop a caged coon out on it from time to time in adverse conditions to keep its training fresh.

the will to prepair.i use to thank show people worked
twiced as hard as hunters till a buddy invited me up for
a hunt.there were feeders & cameras so there was no
need to work hard for a pup.we were in ky i have seen
over 6 coons both times i have been up there.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-22-2008 02:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
im not bashing oak ridge but there is not 6 inches snow here. 2 3 inches. but i under ever thing you have said.

Jay,

I was not hunting "around here". I hunted north of here and a little west. About an hour away...and trust me, there was six inches of snow when we quit.

It's not about how much snow was on the ground at the time...when we started hunting, there was a little skiff of snow, but it was snowing so hard at the time, that we could not see the tops of the trees....

According to the National Weather service, the area that I was hunting had 8 inches of new lake effect snow when it was all said and done.....as of yesterday morning.

Went to a different part of the state last night, further west, where there was not a snow flake anywhere. Started right at dark, and by 10:00 PM we had treed 10...from 10 to midnight, we made 11 den trees in a row. Temperature was 13 degrees at the bank in town when we quit.

I am trying to make a point to you Jason, it's not about the quality of the dogs...it's about the availability of the coon. Yes, we have more coon here than you...but there are times when there are NONE to be treed. There are times when the weather just shuts the coon down, everywhere at the same time!

You don't go fishing where there is no water....where the fish don't live, just like you don't coon hunt in northern Indiana when the coon are denned up...! Unless you just like looking at trees with holes in them!

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Posted by HOBO on 11-22-2008 02:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
maybe i should ask this question:

what effect will a 2 month lay-up have on a pup?

I don't think it will have tooooooooooo much bad effect on one. I stopped hunting in March and didn't get mine back out until late Sept. Other than they were out of shape like me I can't tell it hurt the young dog I'm hunting.

I'm sure had I kept him in the woods he would have been a lil further along but I really can't tell that much difference in him as far as him being rusty.

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Posted by John D on 11-22-2008 02:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Randy Tallon
A young dog needs to be in a "win" environment. A "win" requires a positive situation. Is it a positive situation that results in a "win" for the dog???...................

I agree. A pup or young dog needs to be in situations where they can be successful, in order to move forward, imo.

Laying them up for a month or two probably doesn't do anything good for their physical fitness, but treeing coons is as much mental for a dog as a physical.

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Posted by MillsEnglish on 11-22-2008 02:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by blueticking: it
the will to prepair.i use to thank show people worked
twiced as hard as hunters till a buddy invited me up for
a hunt.there were feeders & cameras so there was no
need to work hard for a pup.we were in ky i have seen
over 6 coons both times i have been up there.

north and west you generally can but you wont in one night here unless you tree a family. A good part of the time it takes a 1/2 hour to locate the easiest way in and an hour a GOOD part of the time to get to the tree from the closest you can get to them. I am near the tn, va border. 2-3 trees on top and im ready for the house and its extremely late...not a thing to do with the dogs as ive hunted with tons of other dogs around here. Its just terrain, coon population and so on. Best hunt ive ever seen in my area in 17 years of living here and hunting has been 4 coon in the summer. Ive hunted with nite champs, gnch, dual gnch and 3 singles in the winter is an awesome hunt. 6 singles here and I would gladly come on here and say that i have pot lickers for coon hounds. 2 1/2 hours north of here...no problem...2 1/2 hours west of here...a little harder but very very possible. I used to hunt stanford ky 3-4 nights a week we would generally tree 3-4 there and still get home at a decent hour which is 1 1/2 hours each way. We could also have some pretty good hunts in somerset ky which is a little rough but not overly rough. You can have a little better luck around the cumberland river in the summer months but its unsafe for the most part since highways go along a lot of it on both sides. We went to harrodsburg one night and got permission to hunt a place and we dropped in and treed 4 singles in less than an hour...you could tell right away the coon had not been dogged..they would run 5 mins and go up every time in smaller trees than normal. Here if you got a 10 foot around beech on the mountain you can just about go there and wait on it cause they climb the biggest you got. It is a total different world here and the mountains arent as rough as some places but, they are still darn rough.There is no fast way to the dogs unless your young and can hit these mountains and not slow down all the way to your dog. I cannot do this..I must rest a little on the way up. Its delightful to see them tree at the bottom but that dont happen a lot.

Posted by Chiggers on 11-22-2008 03:10 PM:

Last night it was around 12 degrees here, a friend and I treed 2 and caught one on the ground with young dogs. The dogs are nice young dogs but not out of this world. Coon were moving for some reason, we have hunted on beautiful warm nights and not had that good of a hunt many nights. You just never know till you turn them loose.

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Posted by DCN on 11-24-2008 12:49 AM:

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Posted by jamesmoore on 12-10-2008 05:10 PM:

in the same boat

I have a very nice elvis hound that's 18 months old. 2 months ago he'd tree every night and have a coon. i thought I had a future world champion. he was fast, independent, kill dog, first strike, and had it all; even looks. Now, he can't tree a coon to save his life. It's been cold and windy just about every night since season came in. My old honey holes seem to be absent of coons. I think I'll pick and choose my nights and stop being so hard on the young dog.

thanks for all your posts. very encouraging.

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