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Posted by blueticker on 07-31-2008 03:50 PM:

Hard hunting is a perception, treeing coon and looking at them is not.

Posted by smokey7 on 07-31-2008 04:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by blueticker
Hard hunting is a perception, treeing coon and looking at them is not.

I don't know. LOL I went hunting with a guy one time that had a Grand nite champion dog. No leaves on at all. Corn filled buckets everywhere. Turned the dog loose, he got treed and the feller looked straight up at a plain and simple bare naked tree limb and said .......... "lookey there at that coon".

Posted by John Carroll on 07-31-2008 04:06 PM:

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Originally posted by blueticker
Hard hunting is a perception, treeing coon and looking at them is not.

You have somewhat of a point, but hard hunting really is a little more than just a perception in my opinion.

I am thinking of a hound that will fill the back of a pickup truck with coons--if he can find them pretty close to where you cut him loose.

In the latter part of January though, things change a little.

I have a bitch that I have had since she was 8 weeks old. She is not without her faults. Other people have better dogs than her, but I keep her around.

One particular night when she was about 14 months old, I took her hunting. We had a big snow on the ground and had been housebound for almost a week, until I got stir crazy and went even though it wasn't fit to be out.

I cut her into a patch of timber by herself. I had the tracker on her and kept tabs on her movements. She hunted out that patch of timber without striking. Then, she peeled across about half a mile of wide open prairie to a creek in the other section.

With the tracker, I followed her with the truck along almost a mile of creek where she finally struck a coon, ran it about another mile, and treedit in a big Cottonwood on the edge of a pond.

Many, many nights she has gone deep and struck coon on the same turnout where other dogs have come in without a strike.

She has faults, but being lazy isn't one of them.

Now, is it better for a dog to hunt out about thirty minutes and come in so you can go somewhere else?

Could you tree more coons in the same amount of time with a dog like that than with one like her that goes until she gets treed?

Sometimes and in some places, yes.

A medium hunting, good handling dog will probably tree more coon on less acres of ground than one like her--if you have a lot of coons.

Where I grew up down in the Ozarks, though, a hard going dog will beat a medium hunter's eyes out more often than not.

In late season and in rough conditions, same deal.

It all depends on what you like and where you hunt.

But hard hunting is more than just a perception. There are times when each kind shines.

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Posted by DanielleB on 07-31-2008 04:07 PM:

I think its at least 75 percent the female. If she is not a hard hunter you are gonna have a majority of so so pups. I can promise u the pups out of Bo and a good female, 1 thing u will never have to do is wonder if they will be back!!!!!!!!! There is probably 10 young dogs close to me out of different females you can hunt with . TYRE

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Posted by Daniel Smith on 07-31-2008 04:42 PM:

John,

You are absolutely right. What type of hound you hunt depends on where you live, and some people live where they do not know if they have a true hard going dog that has no come back.

I say this from experience because I have lived in NE Indiana for 1 year, and have hunted in 27 states and Canada, and have lived in East Central Oklahoma, for the other 25 years of my life.

When I lived in Indiana you did not need a dog that would go 3 miles to tree one, matter of fact that is a good way to get one killed up there, trust me I pulled one off the highway. A guy could get by with hunting what would be a close to medium hunting dog and never know if his dog was the type to go like John said it is sometimes needed like here in the hills and hardwoods of Oklahoma.

Places I hunted that have a greater need for a go yonder type of dog would be: Ok, Ar, La, Ky, Tn, Ms, Al, Ga, NC, SC, WV, and even parts of Southern Indiana, and Southern Ohio, Tx, and Va. Some states I have mentioned however do have parts that are more populated with coon and possibly could get by with a close to medium hunter.

Posted by blueticker on 07-31-2008 04:51 PM:

A hard hunting dog has an advantage if you can hear them. Hard hunting is great but coon treeing ability is still # one in my books. If your looking at them instead of for them you won't tree very many coon.

Posted by John Carroll on 07-31-2008 05:04 PM:

Coon treeing ability is absolutely number 1.

But you can't tree them if you don't find them.

And sometimes they need to go deep to find one.

I don't want one blowing through the country straight lining past coons, but when I turn a dog loose, I prefer to see him under a coon when I see him next.

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Posted by Daniel Smith on 07-31-2008 05:05 PM:

The worst type of dog in the world is a go yonder type dog with no brains!

I like a go yonder dog for me, because of my location, but without brains I don't want one.

Some dogs are hard going but have no personality. I don't like that either myself.

If people were just flat honest NO dogs of ANY line consistently produce a dog with the hunt, brains, looks, and ABILITY.

Posted by John Carroll on 07-31-2008 06:16 PM:

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Originally posted by Daniel Smith
The worst type of dog in the world is a go yonder type dog with no brains!

I like a go yonder dog for me, because of my location, but without brains I don't want one.

Some dogs are hard going but have no personality. I don't like that either myself.

If people were just flat honest NO dogs of ANY line consistently produce a dog with the hunt, brains, looks, and ABILITY.

Exactly.

If there was such a line, we'd all be hunting that one.

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Posted by blueticks99 on 07-31-2008 06:50 PM:

jed

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IS ABOUT AS HARD HUNTING AS YOU WANT ONE TO BE, HE WILL GO AS DEEP AS NEEDED THERE IS NO COMEBACK, AND HE WILL NOT JUST RUN UNDER COON, BUT HE WILL GO UNTIL HE COMES TREED. HE HAS BEEN HUNTED IN MS,OK,ALA,MI,LA, SO ON HE IS THE SAME DOG WHEREVER YOU PUT HIM DOWN..

HE IS ALMOST 10 AND HE IS IN OK RIGHT NOW TURNED HIM LOOSE 3 NIGHTS AGO AND TREED A COON RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THEN HE RAN A BIG OLE BOAR BOUT A MILE UP A CRK AND STARTED ACROSS A BIG HAY FIELD WHEN HE HAD TO TAKE TO THE TIMBER.....

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Posted by wv blue hunter on 07-31-2008 08:48 PM:

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Originally posted by Daniel Smith
Places I hunted that have a greater need for a go yonder type of dog would be: Ok, Ar, La, Ky, Tn, Ms, Al, Ga, NC, SC, WV, and even parts of Southern Indiana, and Southern Ohio, Tx, and Va. Some states I have mentioned however do have parts that are more populated with coon and possibly could get by with a close to medium hunter.

Sir, you have that right. Here in these mountains a dog has to have some go yonder in it. It also better have a big mouth on it, or it will belong to someone else, if I want it to or not. When a dog tops a ridge here & goes 1/4 or 1/2 mile out it & turns down the other side, they're in another community here. If you can't hear them, you can't find them. A close to medium hunter here makes the dog look like it's under your feet all the time. We call those old men's dogs cause they stay in the same holler all night long. Which, that would be OK if they were gettin under coon all that time. Most times, they're not though.

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Posted by Diamond Heat on 07-31-2008 09:27 PM:

B & D BLUE SPIKE

Posted by Daniel Smith on 07-31-2008 10:26 PM:

Yeah, I was hunting a go yonder dog the four times I hunted in the MOUNTAIN MOMMA. Three nights I found my dog with my tracker treed in what seemed like the next state, and one night I drew feed buckets and won grands.

Posted by BULLET II on 08-01-2008 12:21 AM:

To me this thread has turned into a joke. A man ask for some suggestions and all the sudden there is a bunch of finger pointing and assumptions being made over what stud truly throws hard hunters. I have had some complaints on Bullet II's pups hunting style, but it was that they had too much hunt. Sorry that this one cross didn't throw a complete litter that gets a mile in five minutes.

Don't take this wrong Roger because I know how nice of a female Ruby was, but you told me in my front yard that you just couldn't find a cross with Ruby that worked like you thought it should. I think Bullet II has shown his dominance with proof right there.

So why don't we come together for once and try to help Roger find what he is looking for, not what you want him to hear. If this is the only thing he would like to improve on then I would say is ahead of the game. Good luck with your search Roger.

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Posted by Maniac on 08-01-2008 12:53 AM:

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Originally posted by BULLET II
To me this thread has turned into a joke. A man ask for some suggestions and all the sudden there is a bunch of finger pointing and assumptions being made over what stud truly throws hard hunters. I have had some complaints on Bullet II's pups hunting style, but it was that they had too much hunt. Sorry that this one cross didn't throw a complete litter that gets a mile in five minutes.

Don't take this wrong Roger because I know how nice of a female Ruby was, but you told me in my front yard that you just couldn't find a cross with Ruby that worked like you thought it should. I think Bullet II has shown his dominance with proof right there.

So why don't we come together for once and try to help Roger find what he is looking for, not what you want him to hear. If this is the only thing he would like to improve on then I would say is ahead of the game. Good luck with your search Roger.

I DONT ITS A JOKE. I THINK MOST OF THE BLUE TICK OWNER ARE TO JELOUS OF OTHER BLUE DOG PEOPLE. THERES WHAT THE JOKE IS!!!!

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Posted by M.TARLTON on 08-01-2008 01:10 AM:

I know I dont have a top stud dog or anything but I love to be around other bluetickers. I enjoy learning more & more about the ones who started the famous bloodlines. And talking to others that know more about blue dogs than I do. JMO

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Posted by tnmountaincoon on 08-01-2008 01:11 AM:

im not a bluetick man but i had 1 that was out of bobo and she really was a nice dog. hard goin cold nose and accurate. id recomend him 2 anyone that wanted that

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Posted by Wayne Riley on 08-01-2008 01:14 AM:

Rodger, I have a litter mate to your female. This is the cross I will be making. Jet 4
Jet 5
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You are more than welcome to a pair of these puppies when I make this cross. Hoss is a hard going dog in Southeast Alabama
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Posted by John Carroll on 08-01-2008 04:37 AM:

Gentlemen, I hope that I have not in any way left the impression that I was critical of any man's dog.

I have never hunted with Bullet II, but Gary Uchtman told me just today that he had drawn the dog, and that he was a top hound.

I hunted with Tom Jones's dog out of him, and he was a nice dog, with all the go a man could want.

I have made the suggestions I made because of what I have had experience with, and have certainly not meant to be critical of anything else.

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Posted by Roger on 08-01-2008 05:30 AM:

Tate,Rodney Jewell is a good friend of mine.Tell him high for me next time you guys go hunting.

I started this thread because my female is slow about getting in the dark.I like her disposition,her loud mouth,winding,driving a track one way,staying hooked at a tree no matter how long it takes me to get there,and her looks.I want to find an established dominate male that throws hard going pups.What i mean by hard going pups is they leave the instant there turned loose,and go hunting.I don't want them hanging around me,and i don't want to hear limbs popping,and leaves rustling near by twenty minutes into the hunt.I sure didn't want to hurt anyones feelings,just wanted some good information being it's so hard to go hunt with all the pups out of all the studs.I posted her pedigree looking for suggestions on where i should double up,or what i could add.Not to pick on any one dog in the pedigree.
If anyone has information about the type of male i'm looking for please e-mail me at bluetick101@yahoo.com.I appreciate the people that have responded,and called with good information.Thank you!
I'm not going to respond to this thread in the future,so please e-mail me if you want a response,or post it here.

Thank you Wayne for the offer.Let me know if you breed her.Will depend on pen space.

Posted by tate on 08-01-2008 01:55 PM:

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Originally posted by Roger
Tate,Rodney Jewell is a good friend of mine.Tell him high for me next time you guys go hunting.

I started this thread because my female is slow about getting in the dark.I like her disposition,her loud mouth,winding,driving a track one way,staying hooked at a tree no matter how long it takes me to get there,and her looks.I want to find an established dominate male that throws hard going pups.What i mean by hard going pups is they leave the instant there turned loose,and go hunting.I don't want them hanging around me,and i don't want to hear limbs popping,and leaves rustling near by twenty minutes into the hunt.I sure didn't want to hurt anyones feelings,just wanted some good information being it's so hard to go hunt with all the pups out of all the studs.I posted her pedigree looking for suggestions on where i should double up,or what i could add.Not to pick on any one dog in the pedigree.
If anyone has information about the type of male i'm looking for please e-mail me at bluetick101@yahoo.com.I appreciate the people that have responded,and called with good information.Thank you!
I'm not going to respond to this thread in the future,so please e-mail me if you want a response,or post it here.

Thank you Wayne for the offer.Let me know if you breed her.Will depend on pen space.

i will tell mr. rodney u said hello.

its a dagum shame ur thread turned into this. i was lookin forward to some education and looked what it turned into..................

tate

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Posted by John Carroll on 08-01-2008 02:24 PM:

I may have missed a post, but I haven't seen where anybody has gotten out of line on this thread and slammed anything.

I need to go back and re-read it and see what I didn't notice the first time.

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Posted by on 08-01-2008 02:34 PM:

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Originally posted by Tom Jones

you can get lazy dogs every now and then as far as getting yonder when spany is involved and he was a dominant reproducer. jmo

I sure wish you was around when we was hunting "SPANKY". Could have saved me a bunch of boot leather,gas & not to mention sleep! Lazy he wasn't,intelligent not needin to go ten mile's coon treein machine he was, "Unless" the coon where not movin. There is a difference in a smart hound & one that think's they gotta run the first mile before they think about huntin. I seen "Spanky" tree several truck loads of coon behind 'ol go yonder."YEP",as in actual lived it experience not the hear say from the one's that got pounded by him time after time stuff.

Had two GrNtCh female's off him that could make sure your tracker was workin if the coon where not stirrin.

A go yonder dog is all good if that's what ya want but finding them with the tracker every dump is not my cup of tea. I'm doin something wrong in the genetic's department if they end up mile's away every dump. You'd be surprised how many coon you could tree behind yonder. Seen it for around 3 decade's now & in more competition hunt's than I can recall.

Just had to put my two cent's in in defense of "Spanky" by someone that hunted with him & looked for him many many night's.

Posted by John Carroll on 08-01-2008 03:00 PM:

What some folks call hard hunting I just consider dumb.

Running past coons on the way to the next section is not desireable.

But if you live where coon aren't so thick, you develop and appreciation for one with the drive to get deep if they need to.

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Posted by blueticker on 08-01-2008 03:19 PM:

Roger if you want something that gets through the country side and trees coon as he comes to them, Mailes Blue BOB. Mose is anouther, he will tree a coon or two by himself on most cast. He also will get through the country side, alone. Go hunting with either hound and see for yourself. Leaf a couple barkers in the box just to make sure they don't mind going alone. Bring the best you can find and let them tree a couple coons on them. Both hounds have offspring you can hunt with. If you see either one of them at a hunt your best bet is to put your money on one of them to win.

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