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Posted by LARRY TYNES on 06-28-2008 01:47 AM:

in the past years the 10&20 dollerdog traders made good money off walkers, there were so many that, men give awayand they took them to trade days, has gone away in this area, don,t know else where.

Posted by Maniac on 06-28-2008 02:01 AM:

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Originally posted by Richard Nethery
You show me a hound of any other Color with half as much heart, as the Walkers Im hunting now, and I would buy it.
Im not color blind, just realistic.

come to indiana and know a english you buy. what makes a differnts what people hunt. as long as they like them. if they feed them they must like them. and thats all that counts.i dont think we need to bad mouth none of the other breeds. as long as you like what your hunting its your choice i dont feed it. so it shouldnt matter.

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Posted by Justin Smith on 06-28-2008 03:12 AM:

Richard , it's good you found something you like and get along with ... I aint gonna back any one breed . I take it dog by dog myself .

I like Walkers , but haven't seen any like I had as a kid .. I'm sure they are out there though.

I hunt .... A ... B&T , and he's as good as I ever saw or will see . Now , that don't make me a B&T man ( is that like Spiderman or Batman ? ) or mean that you need to go get a B&T .

.. but , dang ... them comments still sting , lol.

I guess the main thing is to hunt what you like ... and extend the same courtesy to others.

Posted by Maniac on 06-28-2008 06:15 AM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
Richard , it's good you found something you like and get along with ... I aint gonna back any one breed . I take it dog by dog myself .

I like Walkers , but haven't seen any like I had as a kid .. I'm sure they are out there though.

I hunt .... A ... B&T , and he's as good as I ever saw or will see . Now , that don't make me a B&T man ( is that like Spiderman or Batman ? ) or mean that you need to go get a B&T .

.. but , dang ... them comments still sting , lol.

I guess the main thing is to hunt what you like ... and extend the same courtesy to others.

VERY VERY TRUE STATEMENT

Posted by bandithunter on 06-28-2008 01:07 PM:

Richard, if you're really serious, get your hands on a good Cameron Blue and you'll forget all about them walkers. They're tougher than an old boot.

Posted by LonestarB&T on 06-28-2008 01:09 PM:

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Originally posted by Richard Nethery
It would be nice to get an off Color dog, that would hunt like a Walker. LOL

Anytime any place. By himself or with company. Ask Willie Robinson or Mike Cassels about my BLACK DOGS. Better yet lets set up a hunt a carry a 22. There are good hounds in all breeds!!

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Posted by bandithunter on 06-28-2008 01:14 PM:

Your original question was why walkers. They are hard to beat in a competition hunt and for a lot of guys that's what they want. I'm too old and cantankerous to walk up these bluffs to a slick tree and I will not tolerate it and that's why my dogs are blue. My son does very well in the hunts with his dogs but they got nothing on mine when it really counts. The sole purpose for these dogs to exist is to tree coon. If winning trophys is more important to ya, go for it, but the day will come when your dogs couldn't catch a cold.

Posted by burdette on 06-28-2008 04:08 PM:

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Originally posted by bandithunter
Your original question was why walkers. They are hard to beat in a competition hunt and for a lot of guys that's what they want. I'm too old and cantankerous to walk up these bluffs to a slick tree and I will not tolerate it and that's why my dogs are blue. My son does very well in the hunts with his dogs but they got nothing on mine when it really counts. The sole purpose for these dogs to exist is to tree coon. If winning trophys is more important to ya, go for it, but the day will come when your dogs couldn't catch a cold.

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Posted by Million $ Ben on 06-28-2008 05:06 PM:

I've hunted them all. Blues, English, B&T's, Plotts and curs. The Walker dog breed as a whole is the better dog by far. The numbers dont lie.
I still own a Bluetick. It took him until he was over 2 years old until he decided he was going to run and tree some. The only reason I kept him around is he was a gift to my son from a good friend who passed away shortly after he gave us the pup.
The walker breed is pushing the other breeds out. You are seeing them being used as hog dogs and bear dogs where once you rarely ever saw anything but plotts and blues.
They are dominating the cat dog packs out west now as well. We went on a cat hunt back in 91 and the guide used only english and Blueticks. We went back in 2005 and he was using all walkers. When I asked him why he said because they held up better, started quicker and were overall, the better breed.

Like I said, the numbers dont lie.

Posted by Million $ Ben on 06-28-2008 05:09 PM:

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Originally posted by bandithunter
If winning trophys is more important to ya, go for it, but the day will come when your dogs couldn't catch a cold.

I've won a few, lost a few and the same dog I was winning with back in 2002 is still treeing them today as good as he has ever done. No slicks, either a den or eyes looking back. 12 years old and still acts like he is 6-7.

Posted by bandithunter on 06-28-2008 05:22 PM:

Point I was making Ben is, if you think the hunts are the do all end all measuring stick for hounds you're wrong. Their are still a few strains of walker that can track, their are a lot more that can't find a ham sandwich. Their are comp bred blues that are no better, I've shot better. Used to think slick treeing was a tree problem, it's not, it's a track problem. It's a free country and you can breed for comp dogs all you want, just don't try to pass them off as coon dogs. Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining, I'm too old to fall for that. Maybe that HTX program ain't such a bad idea.

Posted by Million $ Ben on 06-28-2008 05:27 PM:

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Originally posted by bandithunter
Point I was making Ben is, if you think the hunts are the do all end all measuring stick for hounds you're wrong. Their are still a few strains of walker that can track, their are a lot more that can't find a ham sandwich. Their are comp bred blues that are no better, I've shot better. Used to think slick treeing was a tree problem, it's not, it's a track problem. It's a free country and you can breed for comp dogs all you want, just don't try to pass them off as coon dogs. Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining, I'm too old to fall for that.

LOL! The last I checked a comp dog has to tree a coon to get the trophy's as well as a non comp dog has to tree one.

I have heard all the stories of these good dogs that have never seen a comp. Yep, they exist, and they were the same as mine. A DOG, that is doing what it was bred to do.

Funny thing is, 99.99999% of the "tree dogs" I have ever seen come out of COMPETITION dogs.

Posted by bandithunter on 06-28-2008 05:52 PM:

It's true what you said about treeing a coon to get a trophy Ben. The difference is the comp dog gets circle points for missing, the hide dog gets a bullet.

Posted by Justin Smith on 06-28-2008 06:25 PM:

Walkers are alot easier for most beginners and veteran beginners to handle . They have alot of tree in them , and for fair weather hunters that don't have a country living background ... that's the dog they need.

If you are the type to beat the brush and likes to see what is going on , wants to find the coon your dog trees and wants to tree coon in any weather , any time of the year .... things are more difficult .

For that type of hunter , color is out the door ... the breeder you buy from is much more important than the breed itself .

Posted by Geminite on 06-28-2008 08:03 PM:

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Originally posted by Family
HEy I know we all like what we own..duh. but WHY ARE THERE 7 PAGES OF WALKER STUD DOGS IN THE BLOODLINES BOOK? AND THE REPRODUCERS LISTS FOR WALKERS ARE OFF THE CHARTS COMPARED TO OTHER BREEDS?These dogs came from the same stock as others for the most part...maybe except plotts... I dont want to argue Im sure we all keep what makes us Happy....Thats a given no need to argue over the breeds ...Was looking for something about this group of houndsman and that group of houndsman...who really made sure nailor bred ( OR ANYOTHER CHAMP STUD)..these different lines or Heck did the old timers just breed anything that would stand for the ole champions....see what I'm sayin...Think I'm answerin my own question as I read all these responses... and strive to see it from other views on other sites also......dont wanna cause probs.

Here's just some of my thoughts.....

A lot of guys that I hunt with hunt walkers. Fine by me.....They are the type that like to win nite hunts and are very competitive people themselves and they do have good dogs. I think there are a lot of people like this in the Walker breed; competitive people who like to win and have the best. Walkers are competitive animals IMO. The hunters/breeders have set their squibbles aside and bred to everything and anything to find out what worked and what didn't work. Then, they campaigned these hounds.....It's a never ending cycle.

Take Plotts for instance. You come to some major internal problems when it comes to this breed, IMO. As an example, You have your big game hunters and then you have your coon hunters. There is a major gap and neither wants to breed to each other or cross lines, ect. There are some that will and do, but not enough. You can see first hand how it affects the Plott top reproducers list. You can pretty much say that probably close to half of all Plott puppies born will be ran on some type of big game during their life and will not be seriously competition hunted or campaigned. And that's okay with me too, most Plott hunters that I have met are pretty laid back and really could care less about what anyone thinks of their hounds. They are passionate about making a good line of dogs for themselves that produce game whatever it might be...

These are just some of my thoughts on why things are the way they are. We hunt our dogs and then hunt them some more. If they please us, thats all that counts. I like competition hunting to an extent, but not enough to do it every weekend in and out like some walker hunters. We've had a few litters of puppies that are turning out to be some nice hounds/tree dogs and I hope that their owners will take them to a hunt every now and then and get some titles. If not, no big deal. I just hope they make nice, balanced coon dogs....

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Posted by Richard Nethery on 06-28-2008 10:04 PM:

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Anytime any place. By himself or with company. Ask Willie Robinson or Mike Cassels about my BLACK DOGS. Better yet lets set up a hunt a carry a 22. There are good hounds in all breeds!!

That would be nice, Mike and Willie, both know a good hound when they see one. Im sure your hound is great, and I would love to go on a hunt with him, Ive just had lousy luck with that breed, they just fall apart on me when I hunt them around alot of Deer and Hogs.
But I have had friends that have had good luck with them.
If you are willing travel to Pineland We will hunt in the National Forrest. or we could turn loose on a lease or two, on some Deer Feeders. If I see a Black and Tan, that you can turn loose infront of a herd of deer, I would take out a loan, and try to buy it.
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Posted by Richard Nethery on 06-28-2008 10:26 PM:

If my Comments were offensive.

I apologize, and my opinion of other breeds should have no bearing on what another man/woman wants to hunt.
I strongly prefer Walker Hounds, and the reason, is that I have had the best luck with them.

Not to say that another breed wont work well for someone else.
Im sure there are hunters out there, that would not like my hounds. Thats fine, Neither is a Nite Champion, Im not a well known hunter, just a working man, that likes to hunt on the weekends. So If I have offended anyone, I apologize.

Maby one day, I may see in another breed of hound, what I see in the Walker breed now, but until I find something better than what I hunt now, the Walker is what Im gonna stick with.
Sincerely Richard Nethery

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Posted by LonestarB&T on 06-28-2008 10:52 PM:

Have COONDOG Will Travel. Not for sell But will hunt anywhere anytime. I prefer wild coon so we can stick to the national forest. or just some good bottoms, cow pasture's, swamps or marsh's. Hell we can go to some cutovers. Ill turn loose on deer & hogs all night long. Will get with you when i come in off the rig. I would like to show you some good Black dogs.

Posted by Richard Nethery on 06-28-2008 11:20 PM:

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Originally posted by LonestarB&T
Have COONDOG Will Travel. Not for sell But will hunt anywhere anytime. I prefer wild coon so we can stick to the national forest. or just some good bottoms, cow pasture's, swamps or marsh's. Hell we can go to some cutovers. Ill turn loose on deer & hogs all night long. Will get with you when i come in off the rig. I would like to show you some good Black dogs.

Just let me know when your in, I will Pm you my Phone number.
I look forward to seing a good Black and Tan in action.
I have Several Acres of National Forrest, If thats what you prefer, thats where we will hunt your hound.
And I do wish you the best of luck.

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Posted by Maniac on 06-29-2008 07:11 PM:

you people say a blue dog cant win !!! took a blue dog to a hunt last nite and got in the final four and drew two walker dogs!!!! well i hunted for another STEAK DINNER.lol

Posted by I Know 2 on 06-29-2008 07:22 PM:

Maniac

I hope you get this steak dinner. lol

Posted by MikeO on 07-04-2008 11:13 PM:

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Posted by Nat Thomas on 07-04-2008 11:45 PM:

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did that guy put his CRACKPIPE down to tell you that story???????

It doesnt happen often but it does happen. Its not just a walker thing though. I have witnessed it with my own eyes with an english dog.

Posted by MikeO on 07-05-2008 12:01 AM:

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Originally posted by Englishman
It doesnt happen often but it does happen. Its not just a walker thing though. I have witnessed it with my own eyes with an english dog.

i havent seen it but i could imagine if there was 3or4 dogs treeing they might not hear the coon hit the ground.

Posted by bricklayer on 07-05-2008 01:15 AM:

For sure walkers seem to dominate nite hunts, and there sure enough is alot more walkers out there, guess I'll have to give the hunts a try. I'm a little concerned though cause last fall had my redbone male out and I heard two other dogs open trail just a short piece and fall treed, I figured my male was still in the general area and might also fall treed. Sure enough he barked treed once or twice and shut up. so I make my way to the tree and find a walker and a blue dog blowin the top out the tree my dog just milling around and no longer treeing. had a 22 with a scope and found we had a nice porcupine. 2 guys showed up shined the tree and says yup there he be!!! I was told the blue dog was a nite champion. I didn't say nothin. surely they had to see it wasn't no coon, does that kind of stuff happen in the nite hunts? tell ya what fellas if my dog can't win honestly I don't want to win.

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