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My neighbors farm, and he actually was Very excitted last year because between his full time job on thirds and his farm he made just over 40,000 last year. I thought to myself about all the work he does around his farm and his mothers since his father passed away two years ago and his thrid shift job along with health problems and I think there is no way farmers make enough money. I now greatly appriciate farmers even though some times I don't like the smell...they decerve more than what they get. Alot of people get mad about the trucks and tractors out in the spring and fall and want to complain about farmers but when they are eating they aren't complaining at all. I think the ones complaining need to try there hand at farming for awhile and see what it is really like.

As of right now there is no 2008 farm bill, untill there is no one will recieve any subsidies this year.

That would be fine with me.

Any time the government handles somthing it gets screwed up beyond recognition.

No matter what you do for a living the playing field is always changing, you either buck up and recognise new oppertunities or cry about the way it used to be.

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Originally posted by josh
As of right now there is no 2008 farm bill, untill there is no one will recieve any subsidies this year.

That would be fine with me.

Any time the government handles somthing it gets screwed up beyond recognition.

No matter what you do for a living the playing field is always changing, you either buck up and recognise new oppertunities or cry about the way it used to be.

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Ray&Luie... Not sure if that was directed at me or not. If so, I promise you if you think I am jealous of a man because he lives in a 5000sf house and has all the finer things in life, you a very mistaken. I am content with my 900sf home, my 07 and 98 GMC's, my half acre, and my 1983 Big Red. I can't pay the utilities on a house and outfit like that. My Father, rest his soul, is laying in the ground right up the road. His grave is about 25 feet from one of the biggest, richest farmers that ever farmed in this county. You tell me who has the most, Dad or Mr Jordan?


CC... Yes I understand sub's. Yields, percentages, averages the whole nine yards. Heres something else I understand...

John Hancock Life Insurance $2,849,799 farm subs

International Paper $1,183,893 farm subs

ChevronTexaco $446,914 farm subs

David Rockefeller $553,782 farm subs

Ted Turner $206,948 farm subs

Scottie Pippen $210,520 farm subs

Tyler Farms in Arkansas has collected $37 million in farm subsidies since 1996 by dividing itself into 66 legally separate corporations to maximize its farm subsidies

(name withheld) a Georgia farmer who reportedly collected thousands in additional subsidies by signing up his two-year-old daughter as an additional farmer, making her eligible for up to $180,000 in farm subs... Journal–Constitution, October 2, 2006.

in 2005, the marketing loan rate for corn in DeKalb County, Illinois, was $1.98 per bushel. In September, the market price fell to $1.52 per bushel, and local farmers walked into the local USDA field office and received a payment of $0.46 per bushel. The following January, when they finally sold their corn, the price had risen to $2.60 per bushel, well above the government-set minimum. The federal policy allowed farmers to keep the sub_sidies as compensation for a low market price at which they never actually sold their crops. The amounts can be substantial: DeKalb County farmer Roger Richardson received an extra $75,000 sub_sidy for crops that grossed $500,000.

Tell you something else I understand, a girl I went to school with, her dad is a big farmer. I looked it up with my own eyes, she is listed as pulling $138000 in farm sub's for my county. The girl doesn't even LIVE within 400 miles of this county.


I AM NOT SAYING farming isn't hard work. It is. Not saying all farmers are making a killing at farming. Their not. Not saying all farmers are ruthless people. Many are not. What I am saying is farmers have government help (welfare) if they can't make a living at farming. If I can't make a living running a flooring business, I'm out looking for work.

Tell you something else about these big corp's coming in and buying every out making 'mega corp's' out of everything. I have seen this already in my business. In 1990 there were at least 300 carpets mills. Shaw Industries, Mohawk, and Coronet Carpets started buying up all the small mills for one reason and one reason only. To do away with the little guys. Their plan worked. If you buy flooring from any dealer in the USA, it comes from one of those 3. Now they can set the prices at whatever they want to. Today is April 25th. Since Jan 1st of 08, I have recieved 9 price increases. NINE FREAKING PRICES IN in 4 months.

The bottom line is everyone is the same boat. The farmers are hurting, flooring stores are hurting, ditch diggers are hurting doesn't matter what you do for a living we all are hurting. Better get you a plan together for depression days.

With that I gracefully bow out of this conversation. I have my opinions and everyone has theirs.....


My have times have changed...

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Originally posted by Wingman66

Tell you something else about these big corp's coming in and buying every out making 'mega corp's' out of everything. I have seen this already in my business. In 1990 there were at least 300 carpets mills. Shaw Industries, Mohawk, and Coronet Carpets started buying up all the small mills for one reason and one reason only. To do away with the little guys. Their plan worked. If you buy flooring from any dealer in the USA, it comes from one of those 3. Now they can set the prices at whatever they want to. Today is April 25th. Since Jan 1st of 08, I have recieved 9 price increases. NINE FREAKING PRICES IN in 4 months.

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Farmers

Farmers Welfare now iv heard it all lol

R&L.. I doubt it. Just when you think you heard it all..something else comes along lol.

CC... Two different business with two different business approaches. Why sub's aren't a good idea...

Two-thirds of food production is unsubsi_dized and thus relatively unaffected by subsidies. Of the remaining one-third, price reductions caused by crop subsidies are balanced by conservation pro_grams that raise prices. Furthermore, food prices are based not only on crop prices, but also on food processing, transportation, and marketing costs.

The average farm household earns $81,420 annually (29 percent above the national average); has a net worth of $838,875 (more than eight times the national average); and is located in a rural area with a low cost of living. (http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usd...-11-30-2006.pdf)


The farm industry's current 11.4 percent debt-to-asset ratio is the lowest ever measured and helps to explain why farms fail at only one-sixth the rate of non-farm businesses. (U.S. Department of Agriculture, Economic Research Service)


Overall, net farm income totaled $279 billion between 2003 and 2006—the highest four-year total ever (Council of Economic Advisers, Economic Report of the President (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 2007)

Farm subsidy formulas are designed to benefit large agribusinesses rather than family farmers. Most farm subsidies are distributed to commercial farmers, who have an average income of $199,975 and an average net worth of just under $2 million (Agriculture Income and Finance Outlook," pp. 40, 48, and 63 USDA. Net worth data consist of weighted averages of large and very large farms' net worths)

If farm subsidies were really about alleviating farmer poverty, lawmakers could guarantee every full-time farmer an income of $38,203 for a family of four for just over $4 billion annually—one-sixth of the current cost of farm subsidies (U.S. Department of Agriculture estimated a cost of $7.8 billion when including everyone who reports any farm income, including "hobby farmers" who have other full-time jobs.)

When the 1996 farm bill increased the market_ing loan rate of soybeans from $4.92 to $5.26 per bushel (which meant larger subsidies), farmers responded by planting an additional 8 million acres of soybeans, which contributed to the 33 percent decline in soybean prices over the next two years. Instead of alleviating low soybean prices, the new subsidies accelerated their fall at considerable tax_payer expense. Even the USDA admits that subsidy increases have induced farmers to plant millions of new acres of wheat, soybeans, cotton, and corn. In a free market, low prices serve as an important signal that supply has exceeded consumer demand and that production should shift accordingly. By shielding farmers from low market prices, farm sub_sidies induce farmers to grow whatever government will subsidize, not what consumers really want. ("U.S. Farm Program Benefits: Links to Planting Decisions and Agricultural Markets," U.S. Department of Agriculture)

After handing out com_modity subsidies that pay farmers to plant more crops, Washington then turns around and pays other farmers not to farm 40 million acres of crop_land each year—the equivalent of idling every farm in Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. The Conservation Reserve Program, which pays farmers to sign 10-year contracts pledging not to farm their land, is often promoted as supporting environmen_tal stewardship.

In 2000, Washington tripled crop insurance subsidies in an effort to eliminate the need for farm disaster payments. The budget-busting 2002 farm bill was also promoted as being large enough to reduce the need for disaster payments. Yet even with generous farm programs and sub_sidized crop insurance, Congress has passed a disas_ter aid bill every year since 2000 at a total cost of $40 billion. Congress has even drafted legislation offering disaster aid to farmers who refuse to pur_chase crop insurance at taxpayer-financed dis_counts (Supplemental Appropriations, FY 1989–FY 2006," Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, updated July 3, 2006. Chite mentions a total of $36.5 billion, and approximately $3.5 billion was added in 2007)

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I have to say yall got a good little support group going. Huddle together so yall can keep warm...trackdriver

"Kim Jong-Un speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.” An actual sitting US President said that. Let that sink in.

In 1996, lawmakers noticed that farm subsidies were only encouraging more planting and thereby fur_ther lowering prices, so they created a fixed pay_ments subsidy that would pay farmers based on what had been grown on the land historically with_out obligating them to continue planting that crop. While designed with positive intentions to reduce market distortions, these fixed payments have ended up subsidizing land that is no longer used for farming. In fact, some homeowners are now collect_ing subsidies for the grass in their backyards. investigation discovered 75 acres of Texas farmland that had been converted into a housing development. Today, the homeown_ers on these properties (which are worth well over $300,000 each) are eligible for fixed payments for the lawn in their backyards because of its "historical rice production." Residents never asked for these subsidies and have even stated that as non-farmers they do not want the government mailing them checks. Over the past 25 years, rice plantings in Texas have plummeted from 600,000 acres to 200,000, in part because people can now collect generous rice subsidies without planting rice. If Washington insists on subsidizing farming, subsi_dizing actual farmland rather than residential neigh_borhoods that were once farmland would make more sense. (Dan Morgan, Gilbert Gaul, and Sarah Cohen, "Farm Program Pays $1.3 Billion to People Who Don't Farm," The Washington Post, July 2, 2006.)

In 2006, national corn prices were only $0.05 below the $1.95 marketing loan rate. Nonetheless, corn farm_ers received an average marketing loan subsidy of $0.44 per bushel.[32] President Bush has proposed addressing this loophole by requiring that monthly average crop prices—rather than daily prices— become the basis for determining marketing loan subsidies. This would prevent a one-day drop in crop prices from causing a year-long surge in farm subsidies. Unless Congress acts, farmers will con_tinue to be compensated for low prices that never affect them.

Lawmakers often supplement generous farm subsidies and sub_sidized crop insurance with annual disaster assis_tance packages. The Washington Post discovered that the USDA encourages disaster declarations for coun_ties without disasters and distributes disaster aid to farmers without requiring proof of any disaster. Specifically, when the Livestock Compensation Program operated in 2002 and 2003 to compensate farmers for a drought, the majority of payments went to farmers in areas with either moderate drought or none at all. The USDA reportedly urged state and county officials to find anything that could be interpreted as a disaster and use it to qualify the county's farmers for disaster aid. Consequently, more than 2,000 of the nation's 3,141 counties were declared agriculture "disasters," including:

Whatcom County, Washington, for a distant earthquake that registered only 3 on the local Richter scale and caused no reported damage.


All 254 counties in Texas for "farm disasters," such as a storm two years earlier and the Space Shuttle Columbia explosion. This prompted a local farmer to tell reporters, "the livestock pro_gram is a joke, we had no losses, I don't know what Congress is thinking sometimes."


Fifty-three of Wisconsin's 72 counties, many for a small storm that occurred two years earlier. This prompted local farmers to call the disaster aid an unjustified "waste of money."
Nor were the individual farmers required to prove any losses. Washington simply sent them disaster assistance checks based on the number of livestock that they owned. In other words, disaster aid was almost completely disconnected from actual disasters.

When sweet potatoes became eligible for crop insurance, plant_ing quadrupled, but crop failures surged. Farmers were purposely growing sweet potato crops on unsuited land and skimping on all production costs simply to collect generous crop insurance and disas_ter aid—a practice known as "farming your insur_ance." Accordingly, the sweet potato insurance program was paying out $16 in insurance claims for every $1 paid in premiums before Congress fixed it in 2005. It is reasonable to assume that this prac_tice continues to some degree in other crops.

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I have to say yall got a good little support group going. Huddle together so yall can keep warm...trackdriver

"Kim Jong-Un speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.” An actual sitting US President said that. Let that sink in.

John Hancock Life Insurance $2,849,799 farm subs

International Paper $1,183,893 farm subs

ChevronTexaco $446,914 farm subs

David Rockefeller $553,782 farm subs

Ted Turner $206,948 farm subs

Scottie Pippen $210,520 farm subs

Tyler Farms in Arkansas has collected $37 million in farm subsidies since 1996 by dividing itself into 66 legally separate corporations to maximize its farm subsidies
[b]some John Hancock Life Insurance $2,849,799 farm subs

International Paper $1,183,893 farm subs

ChevronTexaco $446,914 farm subs

David Rockefeller $553,782 farm subs

Ted Turner $206,948 farm subs

Scottie Pippen $210,520 farm subs

Tyler Farms in Arkansas has collected $37 million in farm subsidies since 1996 by dividing itself into 66 legally separate corporations to maximize its farm subsidies

now your making sense to me


some of those companys , maybe all of them , own huge acres of woodland too.
huge acerage of farmland and woodland owned by foreign investors too


i dont consider them farmers and it burns me that they get subsidies too -


think what good all that money could do if it went to real farmers-

if you cut out susidies and it puts real farmers out of business ,

these big companies will control more farmland-they can afford a few bad years -



your talking about recession. and i think we are in or headed for wose than that


never mind loosing all our big toys

,if theres no jobs and you need to grow all your groceries on a half acre-


if you got some land and can grow all your own food- you need to guard it -- its really not so funny

So I'll ask again...

So why in the HECK are you supporting policy that would push farming and the food sector to go the way of the flooring industry?


And by the way, getting media from EWG is like getting opinions on republicans from moveon.org.

Tell you this, quit eating, how about that?

I hope you lose all the land you have to hunt on, thats even if you hunt, because its PROBABLY owned by..uh..farmers...

Sorry you are one of those bitter people that Obama was refering to...he forgot though...most people in this country that are bitter are also clueless! :-)

LMAO well gee CC you don't have to get personal lol...

The figures I gave you are low ball from 2006. Do you want the REAL truth from the USDA own website?

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/We...houseincome.htm

This chapter presents the latest household income forecast for 2008 and estimate for 2007, income estimates for earlier years, the composition of farm household income, and comparisons of income for farm households relative to other U.S. households. Estimates and forecasts of farm operator household income are based on data from the Agricultural Resource Management Survey (ARMS). Income of farm operator households presented in this briefing room differs from other farm income estimates of the farm sector or of farm businesses. In particular, principal farm operator households receive income from a variety of sources other than their farm businesses, such as wages and salaries from off-farm jobs, other businesses, dividends and interest, and other public and private sources that are included here but not in the farm sector accounts. Key points in this chapter include:

In 2008, average farm operator household income is projected to be $89,434, up 6.3 percent from 2007, and 19.2 percent above the 5-year average of 2002-06.
The increase in income is the result of increases in both farm and off-farm sources. The large increase in farm earnings from 2007 was primarily the result of continued growth in cash grain and soybean receipts.
In 2007, average farm operator household income is estimated to be $84,159, up 8.4 percent from 2006.
Average farm household income was 16.7 percent higher than U.S. average household income in 2006 (the last year for which comparable data exist). In the 15 major agricultural States surveyed in ARMS, average farm household income exceeded the State average household income in every State.
Farm operator household income is more variable than U.S. household income, and a larger share of farm households have negative income. Over the last 10 years, 5-6 percent of farm households had negative income, compared with 1 percent of U.S. households.
Average household income varies considerably across farms, by farm typology (based on gross sales and major occupation of the principal operators), farm commodity specialization, and geographic location.
Farm Operator Household Income Up in 2008
In 2008, average farm household income is projected to be $89,434, up 6.3 percent from 2007, and 19.2 percent above the 5-year average of 2002-06 (see table). Average off-farm income of $75,805 in 2008, up 4.6 percent from 2007, accounts for nearly 85 percent of the average farm operator household's income.

The average income of households from farm earnings is forecast to be $13,629 in 2008, up from 2007's estimated average of $11,721. As always, a variety of factors determine changes in farm income, chiefly large increases in the forecast value of cash grain and soybean receipts from 2007 to 2008. In fact, the value of crop production is forecast to be at record highs in 2008. While expenses have increased (especially for feed, seed, fertilizer, chemicals, fuel, and utilities), the large increase in the value of cash grain and soybean sales should result in significantly higher in farm earnings for the average farm household.

The 2008 income forecast for farm operator households varies significantly across the population. A useful way to capture the diversity is to categorize households based on the principal operator's major occupation and the farm's level of gross sales (see farm typology). Commercial farm households (7.8 percent of family farms) rely more on farm income than other farm households. With farm income contributing 73 percent of total income, operators of these farms are projected to average $229,920 in household income in 2008, a 9.3-percent increase over 2007 (see table).

Operator households of intermediate family farms (27.5 percent of family farms) receive a much smaller share of their household income from farm sources than do commercial farm households. With farm income contributing 16.5 percent of total income, total household income for intermediate family farms is forecast at $63,604 in 2008, up 7.4 percent from 2007.

Most U.S. family farms (64.7 percent) are classified as rural residence farms. These farms produce less than $250,000 in products, and the major occupation of their operators is not farming. Rural residence farm households receive little or no income from farm sources. The total household income of rural residence farm operators is forecast to reach $83,443 in 2008, an increase of 4.9 percent from 2007.



As far as obama don't keep up with him. Bitter and clueless?? Bitter somewhat. To give scottie pippen a multi million $ ball player $210,520.00 of the taxpayers (me & you) money?? And you call me clueless?

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"Kim Jong-Un speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.” An actual sitting US President said that. Let that sink in.

Yup, 10% of farmers get 90% of the subsidies.

Wingmann,
Suprisingly enough Busch is the one that wont let them pack the 08 farm bill with pork, which is why we dont yet have one.

This is yet another example of a government run program that is hopelessly screwed up....And you want them running things like healthcare.

josh...ROFL is that is true that'll be the only thing he ever did half way right.... If sub's would actually help the common person it would be a difference. The way it is now, a complete and utter failure and waste of the money taken from us by the government. Giving millionaires money for something that was suppose to help farmers. What is this world coming to...

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"Kim Jong-Un speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.” An actual sitting US President said that. Let that sink in.

farmers

i cant complain about farmers 95percent of them around me are good folks plus they let me hunt if it wasnt for them i wouldnt have no place to hunt or so much to eat

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The top 5% of wage earners pay just over half the taxes in this country. 96% of tax revenue is funded by the top half of wage earners in this country. So what?

Subsidies were designed to follow production. If you think we need to subsidize Farmer Joe who has ten cows and 100 acres of corn as a hobby, then you are crazy. The system follows the value of production, just as it should.

You are absolutely blind to not see the parallel between what happened in the flooring industry as you decribed and what could happen in the farm sector. Lets get rid of all the subsidies so that farmers are forced out of the business in the bad years. Lets see what happens when 90% of farm production is controlled by 10 big corporate entities.

Of course, you are a socialist. If only the government should decide who produces what and puts us all on equal pay scale, we can hold hands with the terrorist and sing kum-bi-ya. The world will be a happy place.

If you think its that great, sell your flooring company, go buy some land (see how cheap that is), a couple tractors, and live the good life. :-)

FARMERS!

We'll first off, get the facts straight, im pretty sure thirty years ago my grandpa sold beans for 14 dollars. Next off there is a reason that the grain prices are so high, have you ever tried putting out a crop for your self?? My family farms 1500 acres and it takes alot of money just to put a crop out(over 300$ an acre). Next how can u complain about farmers? you like to eat dont u? What are you going to eat when no one farms? And to the person that posted about the subsidy payment, check the news people, there is no more sub. payment. as of this year thanks t people like the ones who posted this thread. No we have factory workers who dont want to work and go on strike but yet your blamming farmers?? Try going out and buying some land, hell even try renting it, then come back to us and complain about the prices, you ubderstand exactly y grain prices are high right now

The people against the sub payments? do you even farm? have you ever tried farming if not then, if you can afford the ground, equipment, seed, chemicals, and fertilizer, try farming a couple thousand acres and then come tell us y sub payments are so terrible.

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The people against the sub payments? do you even farm? have you ever tried farming if not then, if you can afford the ground, equipment, seed, chemicals, and fertilizer, try farming a couple thousand acres and then come tell us y sub payments are so terrible.

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CC.. until you can get it out of your head that I hate farmers, you'll never see what I'm trying to say.

FYI... You need to very seriously go back and re-read what you wrote

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He also fails to recognize the similarity between what he is complaing about happened with the flooring industry and what could happen with the farm sector. He complains that now only a few large companies own all the flooring stock in this country and he's faced 9 price increases in the last year. He won't answer my question about what will happen when we force farmers out and 90% of farm production is controled by a handful of large corporations.

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90% of farm production is controled by a handful of large corporations.

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I have to say yall got a good little support group going. Huddle together so yall can keep warm...trackdriver

"Kim Jong-Un speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.” An actual sitting US President said that. Let that sink in.

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Originally posted by larrypoe
I **** sure rather give $5 a bushell or more for corn from a farmer in the midwest, than I would to give $4 a gallon for gas to some camel jockey in the middle east.



..........and I wouldnt care if he spent those 7 off months in Cancun because of it.........although Ive never met a farmer yet that could manage more than a few off days a year.


Stac's uncle row crops around 10,000 acres. When they arent in the feild, there in the shop tuning everything up for next year.

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That 10% of farms producing 90% of farm production still accounts to several THOUSAND operations, NOT a handful.

I don't own a big JD tractor. I'm smart enough to realize there is way to much risk involved for me. And actually, the higher these prices get, the MORE risk there is for the farmer. But I do have 6 years of university level education, including 2 years in grad school to tell me you are way out in left field on this.

I apologize for anything personal. But I can absolutely not stand the conventional wisdom that exists in this country. We have journalist with journalism degrees picking certain parts of economic studies, putting their own interpretation on the numbers and writing in it newspapers. Then your average joe reads what that journalist wrote, gets a subjective and limited view of the numbers, and forms their opinion. For the economist trying to produce an objective point of view, this is the ultimate demise.

You are correct. But where do these thousands of 'operations' buy their chemicals, fertilizer, seed, fuel and everything they need from? When all is said and done I bet it is from 5 or less major corporations, corporations that used to be by the hundreds but have been bought up by the big boys. They can charge the 10% whatever they want to where else are you going to get them from? They own it all. Don't know about farming business but can tell you about my business. I have one store. Lowes has thousands. The mill cuts Lowes prices because they buy 1000 times more than I do. They can sell cheaper than I can buy if they wanted to. But where I buy something at 5 and sell at 10, they buy at 2.50 and still sell for 10. Thats why I keep saying we are in the same boat.

The chemical companies seem to me to not being doing that. They sell at high prices to the 10% and the other 90% have to pay the same price. That leaves the other 90% which only produces 10% at a loss the farm is not big enough to compete. If 90% of the sub's were going to the little farms instead of the 10% that are already making a decent living without sub's, then yeah I'm all for it. But when millionaires, and I bet there are more than 'a handful', then thats not right and it needs to be stopped. Why on God's green earth should tax payer money be going to folks that can make living at farming without REALLY needing sub's? That insane.

I never went to a school to learn about farming. I went to the field on an old propane tractor, chopped cotton with a hoe in my hand, pulled johnson grass with my hand and put it into a sack to be burned, and after Mr. Archer picked it, which he got a percentage because we couldn't afford a picker, took it to the gin. We got what they were paying. If we made a profit that was great, if we didn't it was back to slaughtering cows and hogs to eat through the winter. The only help you EVER got was is if you turned off deathly ill, the neighbors would come help. To this day I hate cotton so much I wear polyester drawers lol...

I don't get my info from newspapers. The figures come straight from the USDA website. Now if they are lying about it, then who can you trust?

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I have to say yall got a good little support group going. Huddle together so yall can keep warm...trackdriver

"Kim Jong-Un speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.” An actual sitting US President said that. Let that sink in.

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Originally posted by Wingman66
You are correct. But where do these thousands of 'operations' buy their chemicals, fertilizer, seed, fuel and everything they need from? When all is said and done I bet it is from 5 or less major corporations, corporations that used to be by the hundreds but have been bought up by the big boys.

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I am a 6th generation farmer. 100% of my income comes from farming.

It saddens me to hear other famers say they cant make it without government subsudies.

I get very little subsudies compared to most because I mainly raise hay, for which there are no subsudies.

I do just fine.


Subsudies only help non-farmer ownership, and allow old folks to hang onto land much longer than they should, not allowing the farmers that work the land a chance at ownership....this is very bad for agriculture as a whole.

dshuler man that was the best coment about them getting something and trying to farm if they only new whaT IT took to farm and who actually got the profits from what the priceses are they would try too help the farmer not talk bad about the poeple who put food in there mouth every day they go to sit down and eat