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Originally posted by bowhunter7
rance,

Thanks, but I don't know what the hell you're talking about. If that was similar to a previous post my bad, but I couldn't bring myself to read the entire thread. Just my opinion, and the way it sounds at least one other person and I see eye to eye.

jim

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Well folks, the way the picture has been painted it sounds like Ohio State has everything to gain and nothing to lose. They will be the underdog this year that doesn't have a prayer to win. Hopefully the Buckeyes will use these next few weeks for some actual practice and conditioning! LOL In the first quarter of last years game all the OSU players had their hands on their sides and were sucking air. Even if OSU had been in tip top shape and clicking at their best, the could not have beaten the Florida team they played that night. They flat out got scalded. I sure hope they make a better showing this year. It would be nice to watch a barn burner instead of an all out thumping. GO BUCKS!

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If LSU is healthy they will be hard to beat, Flarida was a little gimpy when they played in Batton Rouge, but LSU is one tuff team when they have all their players , they may not Blow out OHio st, but i look for The tigers to handle The Buckeyes fairly well. there are any of 4 teams in the SEC right now that could play any one in the country for the Tittle, jmop
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Rance, I will talk to u or anybody else however I **** well please. You acuse me of putting words in ur mouth. How about u doing the same to me. I never said there were not any good teams outside the SEC. I said there were not any great teams. The proof is in the puddin. OSU 0-8 against SEC teams in bowl games?? SEC played 37 non conference games and only lost 5. Kinda hard to argue with that aint it genius. I dont think a team has to beat one SEC team to be worthy of a National title shot. I think they should have to beat more than just one. The teams in the best conference in the land have to beat several SEC teams to make it to the conference title. So why shouldnt other teams have to do the same to reach the national title. If non SEC teams played 5 or 6 SEC teams every year during the season, they would not even get close to a national title game

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Originally posted by gfults
Rance, I will talk to u or anybody else however I **** well please. You acuse me of putting words in ur mouth. How about u doing the same to me. I never said there were not any good teams outside the SEC. I said there were not any great teams. The proof is in the puddin. OSU 0-8 against SEC teams in bowl games?? SEC played 37 non conference games and only lost 5. Kinda hard to argue with that aint it genius. I dont think a team has to beat one SEC team to be worthy of a National title shot. I think they should have to beat more than just one. The teams in the best conference in the land have to beat several SEC teams to make it to the conference title. So why shouldnt other teams have to do the same to reach the national title. If non SEC teams played 5 or 6 SEC teams every year during the season, they would not even get close to a national title game

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All I can say is the truth hurts. Its amazing to me how supposedly a grown man can become an adolescent over football. Does it matter where the numbers I so called spout come from? NO! he truth is the truth regardless of where it comes from. The best player in the nation is from the SEC and so is the best team. Look at the coaching. The SEC is better all the way around. The SEC has better assistant coaches than some schools head coaches. David Cutcliff is one of the best coaches in the nation. Not to mention the slew of great head coaches to come from down south.

you sir, personally attacked me, there was no personal attacks until you started it, and you went to far. im sure if someone said the things you said to me you would have taken offense.

hows this for your numbers.
7 of the SEC schools didnt play a ranked non conference opponant.

in games versus ranked non-conf opponants, the sec was 2-3.

so yes, numbers without the details can be worthless!

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i do my own research, here are the 2007 non conf sec schedules

bama
-western carolina
-fsu
-houston
-la monroe

arkansas
-troy
-north texas
-chattanooga
-florida intl

auburn
-k-state
-south florida
-new mexico st
-tenn tech

uf
-west kentucky
-troy
-fau
-fsu

uga
-ok st
-west carolina
-troy
-gt

kentucky
-eastern kentucky
-lousivlle
-kent st
-fau

lsu
-va tech
-midd tenn st
-tulane
-latech

olemiss
-memphis
-mizzou
-latech
-northwestern st

miss st
-tulane
-gardner webb
-uab
-wvu

south carolina
-la lafeyette
-south carolina st
-unc
-clemson

tenn
-cal
-so miss
-ark st
-la lafeyette

vandy
-richmond
-eastern mich
-miami OH

i actually think losing of those games is pretty poor, especially with 2 of the losses to LA-Monroe and the fraud south florida

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AS SAID BEFORE PLAYOFFS

and the sec is good lots of good teams last year it was auburnif i remember right playing WI and wi won the year before that it was the bulldogs playing WI and i think wi won that one to

so saying that the sec has to much speed for the big 10 mite be true cause WI is not a fast team but WI i think is 4-1 in bowl games verus sec

last year the badgers were thought to get pounded but AFTER 4 QUARTERS OF FOOTBALL WI HAD WON AGAIN

how good is osu well they throttled WI and then got osu got beat by the illini who bearly beat WI

so here is what they should do take ranked teams and set up a playoff if there ranked they must have a chance and let them play to see just who is number one

and if i had a vote this year it would be HI ( dont know how to spell it just know that they can score) which is undefeated playing the next best record ( which pains me to say it cause i dont like them but) osu with only one loss

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Well I will be honest with ya for just a sec. I could really care less. I have a stressfull job, and come home everyday stressed out. I love to aggravate the **** out of people to see how much they can take. Rance, u may be right and u may be wrong. This puter talk dont mean jack to me. But as I said before, I love to pick at people and aggrevate. Some can take more than others. Ur right about one thing for sure. Bama never should have lost to La. Mon. in a 100 years. But thats why they play the games. See, I could keep this going by saying that maybe all those nonconference teams u listed is just further proor that outside the SEC is a step down from the best. But then we know why they choose to play the big SEC schools. MONEY. lol. Have a nice day!!

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Originally posted by 5 speed
I remember a few years ago when a Miami Florida team was a 13 point favorite to win the big game. Then they met up with a real defense. tOSU still has the rings to prove how that game went.

Michigan had a down year BUT, they still had the Quarterback that has more passing yards and a running back with more rushing yards than anyone else in U of M history. That team had 91 yards of total offense the day they played tOSU. If you think that ANYONE is going to hang a ton of points on this Ohio State D, you're crazy.

LSU got beat by the football powerhouse Kentucky (snicker) and LSU is THAT much better than tOSU?? Doubt it.

As for "backing in" to the championship game? Who wasn't going to "back in"? Everyone that was going to have a chance to get in, had a loss. Whoever was going to the game was going to "back in".

Ya know how I know tOSU is going to win the championship game? Because Mark May said they wouldn't.

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All I heard last year is how good Ohio State was.

How soon we forget!!

Folks it's all about matchups.

The Big Ten doesn't do too bad against the SEC West because that is usually a different type of team, more like a lightweight Big 12 team. That's why the SEC East USUALLY dominates the west, they don't have the speed to keep up, and ain't hardly big enough to enforce their will.

That's why the SEC east dominates the Big 10, exact same reason, but it's also why they match up better with the West, they are more like them. It's also why you can usually bet on the Pac-10 in the Rose bowl. Speed kills most of the time.

Now when an SEC East team has to take on a true power team like Nebraska, well we all know how that works out, those little quick guys can't get off the blocks and the big boys have their running back 6-8 yards before anybody touches them and they score at will. Speed can't kill when they can't get off the line of scrimige. If an SEC east team gets paired with a power Big 12 team bet on the Big 12. That match up favors them, but the SEC West does OK against them cause they are big enough to let their speed work.

The reason tOSU is 0-8 against the SEC bowl games is because they had the misfortune to draw mostly true speed SEC East teams, and they just couldn't compete.

BTW, the last SEC team tOSU beat just happens to be LSU if I remember correctly.

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Originally posted by Len Machen
rance it is not arrogance it is fact. After the dust has settled in Jan. just look and see how many of the 9 thats right 9 SEC teams loose their bowl games that they will be playing against other conferences. Last year I think they only lost 1 and played in 7. The SEC has the highest bowl win record(all bowl games counted not just the BCS) than any other conference. That it is why people say the SEC is the toughest conference, they beat the teams in other conferences when they play them the majority of the time. This year the SEC teams played 37 out of conference games and only lost 5 you do the math and compare the other conference teams out of conference record. The Big 10 is second in % of games won out of conference. No one is safe in the SEC, you can be beat by any given team on any given Sat, The conference is just that tough.

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I'm starting to get sick of all this SEC crap..I hope they lose every fricken bowl game they are in to shut everybody up! blah blah blah..to the fellow who said there are no great teams outside of the SEC has to be the dumbest statement ever made and that goes to show how much you really know about NCAA football.Like I said before I am for the Big 10 but I can at least admit it was a very down year for them and not sit here and make it sound like they are invincible like some of you are doing for the SEC.

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Originally posted by RH.
I'm starting to get sick of all this SEC crap..I hope they lose every fricken bowl game they are in to shut everybody up! blah blah blah..to the fellow who said there are no great teams outside of the SEC has to be the dumbest statement ever made and that goes to show how much you really know about NCAA football.Like I said before I am for the Big 10 but I can at least admit it was a very down year for them and not sit here and make it sound like they are invincible like some of you are doing for the SEC.

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SEC teams do get beat but not that often. The bowl records for the last 10-15 years prove that. In bowl games the SEC is playing the winning or better schools from other conferences and they have the highest win % to back it up. Thats not prejudice or biased or anthing but the cold hard facts. I bleed the purple and gold but if LSU does not get their play makers healed they will get beat by OSU. Not taking anything away from OSU as they are a very good team and you better show up with your A game if you expect to win. Of the 2 loss teams LSU is the only one to be beat in 3OT not regulation like the others and their defeats were by teams that are playing bowl games this year. The other 2 loss teams were beat in regulation and at least one if not both in some cases were beat by teams not even good enough to earn a bowl bid. When you look at it the 2 teams that are playing for the national title are the ones that should be. HI and Kansas played too weak of a schedule to even be considered. Missiouri is the team that crooked. They should be in the Orange Bowl and Ga. should be in the Rose. A good friend of mine and myself instituted a euthanasia program in our huonds to prevent the development of the dreaded disease of kennel blindness. I do try to be fair and objective in all I do even when looking at college football, but it sure does feel good to root for the home team!!

Let us all not forget how poor little Florida wasnt given a snowball's chance against the mighty Buckeyes and their Heisman QB last year! Poor lil' LSU will probably get ran off the field as well! Ha!

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Originally posted by Rip
I gotta LMBO at this one. Sorry 5-speed it's in good fun but you happened to be the one that stepped in it this time. It'll be me next time LOL.

You do realize that Michigan team you are touting got beat by APPILACHIAN STATE don't you? And that the Big Ten is so horrible this year that that same Michigan team pretty much waltzed through the conference? You don't have any teams up there that can play offense, and tOSU sure hasn't played anybody with any semblance of an offense to see if they have a defense or not. The teams they have beaten would have a hard time scoring 17 points against AIR.

tOSU may indeed beat LSU, it is DivI college football after all and any given team can win any given day.

Last time Kensucky played a Big 10 team I think they won too, not sure though since I ain't a fan. They did have a heistman candidate though, and they were playing very good football at the time (injuries killed them too, see they play in a conference that actually has enough speed to HIT somebody).

But the biggest and I DO mean the BIGGEST thing you stepped in was typing tOSU. That little t added at the beginning? Do you know what that means or when it started? It started because of Terry Porter and his phantom call that gave the game to tOSU. The little t stands for Tainted as in Tainted Title. That's when internet users added the t, before it was just OSU.

Now it is and forever will be tOSU, until they actually do win a title on the field.

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Correction. LSU is 1-0 against Michigan State also.

I listed a stat ealier that was not current. The SEC OOC record on a note pad by my puter was before the season ended. As of the season end the SEC played 48 games and was 40 W with 8 L. 83 % win record. My bad. Regardless of the OOC schedule strength the SEC teams have, they still have to play the winners or better teams in the other conferences in the bowl games at the end of the season and the SEC still has the highest win % in all bowl play. They do loose some but they win more. I am not narrow minded enough to state the only good teams are here in the SEC, other conferences do have good teams there is just not as many good teams in one conference year in and year out as there is in the SEC.

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Originally posted by Len Machen
I listed a stat ealier that was not current. The SEC OOC record on a note pad by my puter was before the season ended. As of the season end the SEC played 48 games and was 40 W with 8 L. 83 % win record. My bad. Regardless of the OOC schedule strength the SEC teams have, they still have to play the winners or better teams in the other conferences in the bowl games at the end of the season and the SEC still has the highest win % in all bowl play. They do loose some but they win more. I am not narrow minded enough to state the only good teams are here in the SEC, other conferences do have good teams there is just not as many good teams in one conference year in and year out as there is in the SEC.

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Man yall are hilarious!! The SEC non-conference schedule is a joke huh? Well lets just evaluate this year...we'll just look a a couple schools. OSU (Big 10) played Youngstown State. Tennessee (SEC) played Cal (ranked) on the road. OSU played another powerhouse in Akron. LSU played Virginia Tech. LSU beat them 48-7. Virginia Tech finished 3rd in the rankings by the way!! OSU played 2 ranked teams all year. Illinois and Wisconsin (13 & 18). They lost to Illinois and beat Wisconsin, which was missing their power-horse PJ Hill.

Another SEC team Arkansas played Texas a couple years in a row. Since they dropped Texas, they played USC, while Big 10 teams like Michigan plays DII schools like App State!! Now I'm no rocket scientist, but I know what conference gets my vote for the tough non-conference games.

By the way OSU or Big 10 fans, don't get your hopes up, LSU (SEC) and Hester will walk all over OSU. OSU don't stand a chance in hell!! They wouldn't stand a chance against a mediocre SEC team. LSU and Oklahoma would have been a better game than LSU and OSU!! Look for the outcome to be like the LSU vs Virginia Tech outcome!!

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here is the deal, nobody is any good this year! there are 6 teams that should be playin the national championship

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