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Posted by Rip on 08-29-2007 01:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by J.Grubbs
Rip, been running the hospital circuit, been tested had evey test 'ceptin heart worms and rabies.LOL I'd guess Johnson city area would be a little tough. I used to like the same type you're describing, now at 73 I gotta have one that "handles"


Side note. our "pleasures" in life do tend to change over the years.



Sorry to hear about your hospital troubles. I hope everything is going OK for you. If you need somethin just let me know.

As for the Johnson City area, man we got coon comin out our ears here compared to where I was talking about. I meant back "home" up on the Cumberland Plateau around Spencer Tn.

They are gettin a few more coon now though and not nearly as many people huntin. Many, many, many more houses. Seems that the more houses go up the thicker the coons get???? I wonder if they really are getting thicker or if they are just getting more concentrated from all the new construction?

Anyway the ones that still hunt around there like that they can tree a coon more consistantly, but they gotta put up with way more scared city slickers now that have moved in than they used to LOL.

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Posted by J.Grubbs on 08-29-2007 03:50 AM:

Thanks Rip, yes I think I'm gonna get O.K. the Drs. just found my insurance card I think and are trying to "max it out".LOL

As for the hunting around Spencer, I think I'm gonna just take your word for it. I travelled thru Cookeville and Crossvile area for a few years and if you found "plesure" hunting there you're tougher than me. LOL


Posted by blackisback on 09-02-2007 09:20 PM:

plaesure; personaly i cant stand a dog that babbles and slick trees all the time.but if i had to put the boot to the dog all the time i would just get-rid off if. the next poll should be do you put the boot or switch your kids when they get a bad grade at school


Posted by Richard Nethery on 09-02-2007 10:46 PM:

Pleasure hound, not to take away from the Competition hounds.
But the Hound that leaves out, and you wont see again, till its treed, and will go as deep as necessary to tree a Coon, is not fun to pleasure hunt with.

Especially when you hunt most of the time by yourself, with one hound.

The hound that would be concitered a good pleasure hound, generally Checks in regularly, hunts close, and can be called off a track, or tree, whenever you want.
in other words hunts with you.

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Posted by reddogg68 on 09-02-2007 10:56 PM:

dogs

How many times have you saw a dog in a hunt have to hunt by itself and cant do anything.Ive seen it quite a bit and that is a dog I wont hunt.My dogs are hunted by themselves regularly through the week.To many people call adog hunt ready when it will run and tree with other dogs.You dont have to see the coon to win in every registry.

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Posted by Richard Nethery on 09-02-2007 11:11 PM:

Reddogg68

Im not going to Say the hounds name, out of respect for the owner.
But I had a Nite Champion here on trial a Few Years back, She was tough in the nite hunts, Split treed alot, with the Coon.

Well I hunted that hound Five times by herself, and didnt tree a Single Coon with her.

I respectfully, and politely returned her to her owner.

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Posted by ringtail on 09-04-2007 10:25 AM:

Richard.......

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Nethery
.... I had a Nite Champion here on trial a Few Years back, She was tough in the nite hunts, Split treed alot, with the Coon.

..... hunted that hound Five times by herself, and didnt tree a Single Coon with her.....

that happens more than people think......

last week a friend of mine found this "high powered" walker dog (not titled yet, but has a UKC 1st and won decent money in PKC)... the story is: she is hard hunting, mouth like a 100 lbs male, leaves the truck throwing gravel, likes to get by herself, could care less about other dogs, been bred 3 times, can't keep pups (sold before born $500 each), 1st strike, 1st tree dog...

all is sounding good (but a little steap $ wise)... we're going in 1/2's (that helps)....... already counting the chickens, we'll finish her UKC title, breed her and recovery our money, i'm going to keep her hunted up & he'll run her in the hunts (UKC & PKC), i think we are going to be rich..... LOL just kidding....

we couldn't get her on trial... i worked this past weekend, so they went w/out me....the last thing i told him was make the guy take her by herself at least 1 night be SURE she hunts by herself... they went up Friday & came back Sunday night after their last drop....... they came home WITHOUT the dog......

hunted Fri, Sat & Sun night..... She wasn't all she was cracked up to be, but did good enough when they took a pack (at this point the deal is still on, following some $ negotiation).... when they took her by herself he said she wasn't worth killing (ran thru the woods boo whoo'in & booger barking all night- never made a tree)... the excuse was it's been so hot he hasn't hunted her for the last 3 months....... my thoughts is "the 3 month lay off didn't hurt her when they had the other dogs" "why did it hurt her by herself?"

my question to you or anybody else on here is "why can't people just tell the truth up front?" it would have saved a gas bill, motel bill & a lot of time & trouble.......

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Posted by Ron Jackson on 09-05-2007 12:36 AM:

After reading what most hunters are saying about the pleasure and competition hounds that they hunt or have hunted with, it is easy to see what most guys really want is a true pleasure hound with plenty of go power and the brains to go with it. Sombody made the statment that they only get to comp hunt a few times a year and that is probably tha same for most of us..But at the same time it is nice to have one that can and will hold its own in a cast of 3 or 4 dogs as well as by itself.. been great chatten wth you, I hope you all have a good hide season. Ron


Posted by EnglishBabe on 09-05-2007 03:35 AM:

Pleasure dog!

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Posted by RANDY GIBSON on 09-05-2007 04:36 AM:

I TAKE MY

COONDAWG!!!!!!! AND GO TO A (COONHUNT)!!!!!
95% PLEASURE HUNTER 5% COMPETITION HUNTER


Posted by KNUCK 1 on 09-05-2007 04:46 AM:

pleasure

most comp hunters and dogs i have hunted with i did not like even on a pleasure hunt they just have got to win


Posted by highbawl on 09-05-2007 05:38 AM:

Most people pleasure hunt the most as I do. I want a dog that does what it takes to get it tree'd but won't run a mile to get struck. I prefer a hound that will check in if the coon are not walking. But I enjoy the competition as well.

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Posted by honalieh on 09-06-2007 04:02 AM:

Pleasure/Competition

Would you rather ride a pleasure horse or a race horse? If you like riding horses, you'll likely choose the pleasure horse. If you're going to hire a professional jockey, or you are a professional jockey, you'll likely choose the race horse!!! One is not better than the other. They are just bred and used for different purposes.

Now, we've not reached that extreme a difference in coonhunting. But, we should consider it when breeding or buying a pup. We need to choose based on what works best for us. For me, that requires actually seeing how they operate!

We have so many different levels of competition hunting, so many different types of terrain, and so many methods of hunting hounds that there should be no fear that we'll ever have the extreme differeces of the horses. But, we need to pay attention to these differences, and the types of dogs that do the best for us in our own terrains


Posted by Emily on 09-06-2007 06:41 AM:

well I don't comp hunt

and I have a pleasure dog that suits me well. My red dog wouldn't be a great competition dog because he is very slow to open, very careful about switching to his tree bark, and very accurate. When I've put a light collar on him, I've seen him check the tree repeatedly before he decides its the right tree. He is the kind of dog that would lead the rest of the cast to the tree, then be the last to bark treed. But once he decides its the right tree, absolutely nothing (except me calling him off) will budge him until I get there, and I'm real slow. He may occasionally tree the wrong game, but there will be something in the tree, and I can tell by his voice if its not a coon. I don't need to tree six coons a night--my knees won't hold up that long in our steep terrain. But he is reliably good for a couple of drops alone with me, and that's what I need. I wouldn't mind having a dog that could competition hunt--with another handler. But, as a pleasure hunter, I don't need one that is first to strike and tree, so long as he stays put until I get there. I've been out as a spectator enough to know that lots of competition dogs will strike and tree before mine, but won't stay put if they're not the first to get scored. I don't need a dog that will lose patience with ME if it takes me an hour to get into the tree. I need a dog that adapts to the way I hunt..

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Posted by honalieh on 09-08-2007 06:39 AM:

Competition/Pleasure!

For the average local hunter, we're talking about the same dog! They mostly pleasure hunt, but will enter competition (all with the same dog)!

Beyond that, there is a difference. No pleasure hunter wants their dog to strike a deer, separate themselves from the pack, then switch and lock-down by itself on a coon. A competition-only hunter may think that's great!!! A pleasure hunter will break, sell, or kill this dog. A competition hunter will win with it!

There are a lot of competition dogs that are worthless for coonhunting.

That said, there are a lot of so-called pleasure dogs that are lacking in abilities. But, because their owners like them, they accept these shortcomings!

There are competition dogs that aren't coondogs! There are competion dogs that are coondogs! There are pleasure dogs that aren't coondogs! There are pleasure dogs that are coondogs! The bottom line is what do YOU expect and DEMAND from a dog!!!


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