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In sheeps ownwords!!!!!!!!!!

descent hunt. Especially considering she hasn't been hunting in two months and its warm weather. She and all the rest of the dogs got in an armadillo hole on the first turnout, then she treed a coon all alone in there and one dog finally came to her, the other two got treed somewhere else but we couldn't find there coon. Then all the dogs got treed together super deep but we couldn't find that coon either. So, we only saw one coon and princess treed it. But she could have done a lot better on the other turnouts.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
In sheeps ownwords!!!!!!!!!!

descent hunt. Especially considering she hasn't been hunting in two months and its warm weather. She and all the rest of the dogs got in an armadillo hole on the first turnout, then she treed a coon all alone in there and one dog finally came to her, the other two got treed somewhere else but we couldn't find there coon. Then all the dogs got treed together super deep but we couldn't find that coon either. So, we only saw one coon and princess treed it. But she could have done a lot better on the other turnouts.

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Come for a hunt. Ill be glad to take yall out any night of the week. For every coon you see my dog under you can give me a 100 bucks. For ever slick you see my dog under ill give you a 100 bucks. Im the one that knows my dog not you or well any of you. So dont say she cant do it cause u have never hunted with her. An you dont know me so dont call me a liar buddie. I mean really yall hunt walkers of course you are gona have alot of slicks trees. Get your self a good english. Mabe then that 90% wont be so unbeliveable

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Originally posted by bluedog16
Come for a hunt. Ill be glad to take yall out any night of the week. For every coon you see my dog under you can give me a 100 bucks. For ever slick you see my dog under ill give you a 100 bucks. Im the one that knows my dog not you or well any of you. So dont say she cant do it cause u have never hunted with her. An you dont know me so dont call me a liar buddie. I mean really yall hunt walkers of course you are gona have alot of slicks trees. Get your self a good english. Mabe then that 90% wont be so unbeliveable

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Originally posted by Copenhagen
SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. EVERY COON YOUR DOG TREES, I GIVE YOU $100. EVERY TREE YOUR DOG MAKE THAT WE DONT SEE A COON, YOU GIVE ME A $100? I WILL TAKE THAT BET IN THE SUMMER ANYTIME. WE WONT HAVE TO WORRY THOUGH, IF IT CAME DOWN TO IT, YOU WOULD BACK OUT.
WHY ARE YOU NOT OUT WINNING WORLD HUNTS WITH THIS 100% ACCURATE COONDOG???

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Whoooooaaa.
now all of a sudden we are counting den trees as coon seen?
im starting to see how to get those percentages up. LOL LOL

I think in sheeps original post he said 6-7 coon SEEN out of every ten trees.
sheep does not believe in circle trees. either you see a coon or you dont.

Elvis, I don't count den trees as coon seen. I wonder, if a fella was to keep track of all the trees he made with his dog over a year, would you count den trees in with the total trees made? Or would you simply count trees made with coon in them, and trees made with absolutely no coon in it?

To measure true accuracy, all trees have to be counted, but when you cannot see the coon for leafy trees, multiple holes, just plain making excuses for your dog, how can a person honestly figure the accuracy of a dog.

Personally when I am counting, I count trees made with a coon and trees made without a coon. I also keep track of obvious den trees. If I can't find the coon and there isn't a hole large enough to conceal a coon, ( Not a 3 or 4 inch hole), then I can't honestly say there could be a coon there.


I tend to figure on the low end for any of my dogs, I would rather think my dog missed than lie and say the coon was there.


When I was younger and hides were worth alot mroe, during kill season we killed everything that we treed. I can remember very few times walking away from a tree empty handed. I remember getting a few hung up after we shot them, but we didn't see very many slick trees at all.


The last dog I bought made something like 28 slicks before he finally got on track. If I could not find the coon and there was not an obvious den, I counted them as slick. Once he started getting on track and being corrected, he was not such a bad dog, but he was the least accurate dog I ever owned. Sometimes I did not know if the dog needed shooting for doing what he was doing, or I needed shooting for letting him do it so many times.

He died in January in his sleep. Just think of all the "circle trees" a guy could make in a nite hunt with a dog like that during the summer months. Not one of my smarter purchases.

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She didnt say she counted them as coon seen. She said you couldnt hold them aginst the dog cause you have no way of tellin if the coon is really there or not. I have nothin to hide an nothin to lie bout. My lil gyp may not make a tree evertime she goes out. I live in thin coon she will make a 15 to 20 minute loop then come back to me if she dont find anything. But when she opens her mouth its a coon. When she plants her ass the coon is thier

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Originally posted by chelseapoe
Umm no actually he wouldnt. If you don't know what you're talking about you need to shut up. Come down here and we'll just see. Thats exactly what he said but if it's a den then you can't hold it against the dog but I would be glad for you to attemp to climb in the tree and look. Hey dumb*** he didn't say that he treed a coon everytime he went out he just said if he had made a tree with her there was a coon in it. So maybe you should read very carefully before you type. You can ask anyone who has hunted with her she is a coondog. So how about if you think your so perfect lets see your coondog go. Yeah thats what I thought.

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Originally posted by bluedog16
My lil gyp may not make a tree evertime she goes out. I live in thin coon she will make a 15 to 20 minute loop then come back to me if she dont find anything.

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this went from a discussion about two made up dogs to a MY DOG IS BETTER THEN YOURS really fast! lol

just remember one thing you are the one feeding your dog as long as you are happy with the dog that is all that counts. when someone else starts feeding and careing for your dog then they can gripe about your dog. lol

everyone can say what they want but it depends on what part of the country you are in and the coon population. down here if you tree 3 coons on a hunt you did real good. time you walk to the dogs and shine the tree on that many you and the dogs are hunted out. these down here dont just pop up trees you may walk a mile or more to the first tree. every now and then you can get lucky and they tree one in ten or twenty minutes. you dont tree ten seperate coons a night and not walk over a mile to do it here.

This is better than " AS THE WORLD TURNS" LMBO!!

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have we made a 1000 trees yet oh well maybe 500
were slick well maybe not its just a little better
than every other one

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Originally posted by Copenhagen
YOU LIVE IN "THIN" COONS AND YOUR DOG ONLY HUNTS 15 MINUTES BEFORE COMING BACK? I AM STARTING TO SEE WHY SHE IS ACCURATE NOW. SHE CANT FIND A RED HOT FEEDER BUCKET COON SO SHE QUITS. I THINK I WILL JUST GO SHOOT MINE AND TRY MY BEST TO FIND ONE LIKE YOURS. DO YOU KNOW WHERE ANY 15 MINUTE COONDOGS ARE? I WOULD ALSO LIKE THEM TO HUNT NO FURTHER THAN 50 YARDS FROM THE TRUCK. ROFL

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Boy sheep, you sure know how to stir the pot. John Kinkaid made some very good points and Redwood nailed it, walkers and to a lesser extent blues are being ruined by slick treeing fools being bred because someone beat the slick treeing out of him. I'd like to see any man beat the slick treeing out of their genes. Can always tell the guys with slick mutts, they're a little touchy on this subject.

Re: Poll: which is the better dog???

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Originally posted by sheepster
Allright folks, I got a question for you guys. I'm gonna desrcribe two different dogs for yall and you tell me which dog YOU WOULD RATHER OWN.

Dog "A" and Dog "B" are EXACTLY THE SAME except for a couple differneces. Dog "A" is a pressure tree dog. He will not pull for anything. Dogs can be running track all around him or treed close by, he doesn't care, he's there to stay. In all Honesty, he averages about 60 - 70% on accuracy. You will see a coon about 6 or 7 out of every 10 trees. Now for Dog "B". Dog "B" is not gonna stay treed through all kinds of pressure. If a dog trees hard close by he's liable to leave and go check out the other dog. If a hot track is being ran in his area he is subject to leave the tree. Dog "B" stays treed fine by himself or with other dogs treeing with him. Dog "B" is , in all Honesty, 90% accurate. If he gets treed and stays you will see a coon in 9 out of every 10 trees. Everything else about these dogs is exactly the same. Everything else. The dogs are 4 years old. Which dog would you rather own????

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by bandithunter
[ I'd like to see any man beat the slick treeing out of their genes.

This is one of the most intelligent statements that's ever been made on this subject.

As for dog (A) if any dog strikes 10 tracks and trees 10 trees and has a coon in 7 of them that's not the worst dog in the world, he missed 3 out of 10 so the dog is not perfect. The only perfect dogs the world has ever known lived only in the minds of people. Any dog will miss now and then if you hunt them enough but I do like the fact that dog (A) will stay treed no matter what happens. If dog (A) was only missing 1 or 2 out of 10 he'd be a really nice dog in my book.

As for dog (B) if he consistently leaves his tree to check other dogs he is worthless. He may just as well have never treed at all because he won't stay long enough for you to get to the tree. What good is he? Is he as good as dog (A) if he strikes 10 tracks and leaves 3 trees to see what the others are doing? I think not. After all he is 90% accurate so I have to think he left a coon to check another dog. Weak around the tree, he might make a foxhound but he ain't much of a coondog. I guess he'd do pretty good if hunted alone but with other dogs he sure is gonna look stupid. Remember, you can't beat stay-power into the genes either, it has to be bred in them.

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Originally posted by chelseapoe
No actually she doesn't quit. Shre more like checks in. If you don't grab her she goes into the woods again.You're a dumb***.Most of the time I ignore stuff on this bored but this is just dumb. You have no reason to call him a lier. So I dont know who you think made you head Kahona but you need to cut it out because your not.

Come hunt with Looser
We've had him since June and he's had a whole lot of coon, 1 backed up possum,and 5 or 6 maybe slicks. 1 or 2 that was for sure slick. My dad hunts 6 nights a week so thats preddy dang good. He's had a couple den trees but most of the time we see them on the outside to.

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The hunts are a great place to find out who's packing what.

Im curious about you guys with these super accurate dogs, How do you ever loose a cast?

they got to stay no matter what win more hunts with a stay put dog

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Originally posted by josh
The hunts are a great place to find out who's packing what.

Im curious about you guys with these super accurate dogs, How do you ever loose a cast?

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Well, I don't have much time, gotta go to work. I'll say this. I feel sorry for some of yall that never see coons. It must be frustrating allways going to tree after tree after tree and haveing to make up one excuse after another. That's ok though, you can allways fall back on "circle points" when your competition hunting. And don't he sound good treeing 150 barks a minute, and boy he sure is "stay put". LOL LOL Some of yall wouldn't know a coondog if it bit you on the butt.

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The hunts are a great place to find out who's packing what.

Im curious about you guys with these super accurate dogs, How do you ever loose a cast?

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Originally posted by COONDOGS101
HERES HOW A ACCURATE DOG LOOSE'S . Lets say there is a 4 dog cast, And there is one dead accurate dog and 3 some what accurate dogs. the very accurate dog gos in and makes 2 trees and the cast sees 2 coons, his strike was 25 both times because the other 3 dogs babble. He gets first tree both times. his score is now 300+. One of the other dogs in the cast gets both first strikes and me toos and gets both seconed trees. his score is 350+ and he wins the cast and never treed a coon. This happens 50 times evrey weekend in the NIGHT HUNT WORLD. GO to a few hunts and you will find out.

There is way to many computer hunters on this web sight. I havent been on here in 2 or 3 weeks and I dont think I missed much.

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Boys, Boys, Boys,

You can absolutely have the bext of these two dogs in one hound. You just can't be satisfies easily. One month I kept records on one of my females that I considered to have both. 43 tracks struck, 42 trees made, 1 den, 42 trees with coon.