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Posted by on 02-02-2007 03:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by John M. Horner

THE CROW about as close as your gonna get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From what I've seen in the Crow's ped, Preacher is only in there 1 time and it is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy back there.
One thing that I find interesing is the unique color & markings of Preacher colored dogs. Almost any Walker marked that way, goes back to Preacher. Look at the Crow, Preacher is way back there yet his blood shows up in Crow's apprearance and I'm assuming a good share of the Crow's pups also show this coloring. Why is that so dominant over the more typical looking Walkers?
The litter my dad raised out of Buckeye had at least 2 Preacher colored dogs and I believe there were more. The male I posted pics of on my other post was recently sold to a guy and his grandson near Madison WI. The female my dad kept was sold this past year to Travis Adreon. Ask Travis about this female.

Posted by John M. Horner on 02-02-2007 04:13 PM:

Crow dominates the looks on any female I have bred him too.One litter eleven puppies out of twelve looked like Crow three quarters of any litter I have had,had his coloring.A guy wanted me too breed his double clover bred female, I thought boy here is a test she was solid white with a calico ear,six puppies four were born blanketback!!!!!!!!!!!!Now the bad, seems like one pup has alot of white with a million ticks but Crow always puts a locate on them that will make you get a cold chill and nothing is gonna make them run and take there tree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HA!HA!

Posted by berger on 02-02-2007 04:23 PM:

Buckeye is out of - Trump and a Wild Casey female that was white with ticks her dam was out of Mr Quick

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Posted by John Wick on 02-02-2007 09:24 PM:

Hello Ozark Preacher fans and interested bystanders. Wow! Lots of action here. I had Lisa post my first message a couple of days ago and now she just printed it all off for me. I’ll respond as short and sweet as I can to you folks who took the time to say something. I sure appreciate so many of you hunters showing an interest in this subject.

To Russell B: Yes, I knew the Chaos dog well. In fact, I sold him as a young dog ready to start. He’s dead now. I’ve had two full sisters and two full brothers to him that were Preacher colored. I still have one of the females. I’m aware of the Crow and at least a dozen other Preacher colored males that have been advertised at stud in the past two years. Just in the past month, there’s been at least four in the various hound magazines.

To Art Jr.: Yep, I bought Ozark Preacher from Jim Brinkley at Dixon, Missouri, in 1977 or 78.

To Ohme: I’m actually a little bit surprised at what you said. It’s been my experience that in order to get any Preacher colored pups in a litter, at least one of the parents must have that color. Preacher can be in the pedigree fifteen times, but if one of the parents of a litter doesn’t have his color, I’ve never seen that color show up. If you got one pup with the color, I assume one of the parents had it.

To Kenny G: Thanks! I think we’ll find a surprising amount of people interested in this.

To JTD: I don’t know a darn thing about how to make the computers work, but I bet other people will pop up with some pictures. In my WALK WITH WICK books, there are several pictures of the ole dog and some of his descendents.

To Russell B: That’s a good point, and there’s a lot of truth to that. The original Preacher dogs, in general, were medium hunters that handled great. Since then, they’ve been mixed with everything else in the Treeing Walkers and lots of them tend to hunt harder, but I don’t think there’s any denying that if the unique Preacher color is still there, some of his traits still are also. I see that on a regular basis. If those of us who know this bloodline and others who join us keep high standards and try to breed them as real enjoyable to own and hunt, not necessarily world beaters, I believe there’s something to be gained by it.

To Bob Country: Yep, ole Paul Jeffries pretty much made his living off Preacher descendents. I don’t know Mr. Martin but it sounds like I need to find out about him. Jeffries had quite a few descendents of Preacher that he trained up and sold for big bucks.

There are some Stylish dogs that don’t go back to Preacher, but over 90 percent of them do.

To Nitechamp Bud: No, I believe Preacher was in Missouri all his life. Paul Jeffries only had him a short time because he only had every dog a short time. Jim Brinkley owned him most of his life, but Bobby Long did hunt him and quite a few of Preacher’s descendents. Jim passed away a few years ago, and Bobby Long has gone wild over Beagles.

To Jesse Walter: Well sir, I don’t know exactly how to answer that, but let’s just say I’m writing letters a third of my life, I’m on the phone a third, and I simply don’t have time to be on the computer except a few times a year. I’m very sorry about that. I’d like to do more, but I’ve learned in general that the people who call or write me are more serious about whatever it is they want to correspond about. Also people on the computer expect almost instant answers, and my secretary’s only here three days a week so instant answers just aren’t in the cards.

To Briar: Well sir, I’m answering these posts as I come to them looking through several pages that Lisa printed out. I wouldn’t say I’m smart enough to know better, it’s just that I don’t have enough time. But EVERYONE who writes or calls gets my time. I guess I’ve been doing that so long that I’m fairly comfortable handling things that way.

To Chiggers: Wow! Get in touch with me. I know every dog you mentioned there. As you said, Preacher’s back there at least five or six times. You might have a dog there that has a real future if you’re interested in going in that direction.

That’s all we have time to respond to today. We’ll be back on Monday to finish replying to everyone.

Posted by Russell Boyette on 02-02-2007 09:36 PM:

Thanks for taking the time to respond, Mr. Wick. Are you planning on breeding this Preacher line in the future? What dogs are you planning on using? I have noticed X Jr and some of his offspring having the red leg look.

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 02-02-2007 09:39 PM:

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To Briar: Well sir, I’m answering these posts as I come to them looking through several pages that Lisa printed out. I wouldn’t say I’m smart enough to know better, it’s just that I don’t have enough time. But EVERYONE who writes or calls gets my time. I guess I’ve been doing that so long that I’m fairly comfortable handling things that way.

Please don't take offence to what I said Mr. Wick, all I meant was that be it good or bad response, people seem to want to talk with you. I can imagine if you had a PM or Email set up the response would be completely overwhelming. Lisa would probably get carpel tunnel syndrome if she had to answer your email for a month. I for one like hearing what you have to say, but understand what opening up youself to private question answer sessions would do.

I like your idea of breeding for a "huntable" dog instead of the perpetual world beater crosses that you tend to see day in and day out. I really think in alot of this country there is a market for hounds that are good sensible game getters without haveing the drawbacks of being super flashy or posessing some of the traits that make hunting super hard hunting, hard going hound not so enjoyable for alot of people.

Everything starts with a plan and I wish you the best of luck with your venture.

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Posted by on 02-02-2007 10:01 PM:

John Wick-
It is nice to see you drop in on this site from time to time.
Even though I no longer hunt walkers, my dad still does and with the number of walkers around it is hard for me to not keep up with the walker breed. when I was a kid, I learned as much as I possibly could about the walker breed and the traits that each line carried.
This thread is very interesting to me. I'm not a big fan of Tri Colored dogs of any breed, but I do like the non-typical looking Walkers like the black & white walkers (Clover bred) and Preacher colored walkers.
Maybe sometime you could check the cur page and put your 2 cents in there regarding your experience w/ curs.

Posted by JCS on 02-02-2007 10:24 PM:

Uncle John...glad to see you are still lingering around. I know you are'nt the only houndsman out there, but I can't think of anyone who has done more than you for coonhunting. Loved both books and look forward to the others. God Bless you Sir.

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Posted by Justin Smith on 02-03-2007 12:30 AM:

That dog out of Sackett Jr's Son called Son's Missouri Dancer is an awful nice looking hound ... anyone know the low down on him and his get ?

Posted by bob country jr on 02-03-2007 12:30 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by John Wick

To Bob Country: Yep, ole Paul Jeffries pretty much made his living off Preacher descendents. I don’t know Mr. Martin but it sounds like I need to find out about him. Jeffries had quite a few descendents of Preacher that he trained up and sold for big bucks. JOHN ALAN HAS SOME YOUNG DOGS NOW THAT WILL SHOW PREACHER 2 TIMES IN A 4 GENERATION .

To Nitechamp Bud: No, I believe Preacher was in Missouri all his life. Paul Jeffries only had him a short time because he only had every dog a short time. Jim Brinkley owned him most of his life,

PAUL SAID TO LET IT BE NONE THAT HE BOUT PREACHER WHEN HE WAS 2 YEARS OLD AND SOLD HIM TO JIM WHEN HE WAS 5 AND HAD HIM FOR QUIT A WHILE PAUL SAID HE TRAINED HIM BEFORE SALEING HIM TO JIM.SO YOUR SHORT TIME STATEMENT WAS NOT TRUE AND YOUR ANY DOG STATMENT WAS NOT APPRECIATED.AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT PREACHER GIVE HIM A CALL.417-967-4148

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Posted by truly on 02-03-2007 01:55 AM:

check

Posted by J. Hill on 02-03-2007 02:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
check

ben u saying u are sending me a check

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Posted by truly on 02-03-2007 02:09 AM:

john, it seems maintaining the preacher color will be easy,but if you want to save and build off the line shouldn't we know what his hunting traits were? i know most everyone will tell you that their dog is a first strike first tree cold nosed loud track driver who treed every breath, but maybe you would be honest enough to tell us just what preacher really was like and what traits he repoduced. then find a good stud who not only matches in color but also in hunting style. i have a stud who isnt super staked not performanced and rarely advertised but is reproducing.he is 4 generations off of preacher coming thru porcupine valley rebel. many of the rebel bred dogs were preacher colored and my stud CREDIT RIVER TUCKER throws preacher colored dogs with some regularity. but more importantly i think his hunting style is somewhat similar. he and his pups are more than anything known for being able to grub out old tracks. they do not race thru the country looking for a popup. the will pass easy ones while finishing a hard one. the dryer and tougher conditions the better they look. tucker will occasionally tree a layup but usually show a track. as an example of being better in dry conditions my cowboy dog scored 2025+ in two nights up here in mn and wi on a weekend that a dustcloud followed us through the woods.
that being said, i also am not much for looking back 4 generations in a pedigree. but if tuckers hunting style sounds like something that matches preachers i would be happy to conspire with you. ps tucker is currently at 12.1% reproducing. if intersted to talk call 6125017443. ben brown.

Posted by truly on 02-03-2007 02:15 AM:

jim hill yes i am sending you a check. right after you tell john wick "i was with cowboy on the night he scored 1200+. it was a spring night with no leaves on the trees. we had unusually warm conditions so the forest floor was unusuallly dry. cowboy opened good on tracks,moved them efficiently,and showed us coon" oh and i dont mind if you tell john that the red dog looked real good that night too! how much do i have to pay you to say this?
lol

Posted by J. Hill on 02-03-2007 02:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
jim hill yes i am sending you a check. right after you tell john wick "i was with cowboy on the night he scored 1200+. it was a spring night with no leaves on the trees. we had unusually warm conditions so the forest floor was unusuallly dry. cowboy opened good on tracks,moved them efficiently,and showed us coon" oh and i dont mind if you tell john that the red dog looked real good that night too! how much do i have to pay you to say this?
lol

lol ill say it for free that was one of the funnest nights ive had in the woods in a long time cowboy looked good it was dryer than a pop corn fart that night too it was a good time that night alot of very nice dog work thats for sure u had 1200 steve had like 1150 or something like that it was close but it sure was fun

Posted by truly on 02-03-2007 03:03 AM:

jim, ithought you said czechk not check. i was gonna send you john simota. you know he is a czechk.

Posted by J. Hill on 02-03-2007 03:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
jim, ithought you said czechk not check. i was gonna send you john simota. you know he is a czechk.

lol ill pass im messed up enough lol j/k john can be ok when he wants to be what do u have up and coming out of tucker or cowboy

Posted by Dan Dogs on 02-03-2007 03:08 AM:

ben

what is the line back to preacher thru rebel, is it denburgs echo. thats what my old babe dog went to preacher thru her...

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Posted by josh on 02-03-2007 03:14 AM:

Re: ben

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Originally posted by Dan Dogs
what is the line back to preacher thru rebel, is it denburgs echo.

Yeap.

Posted by truly on 02-03-2007 03:16 AM:

dan, yes,echo. didnt know you went back there too.
jim, hunting a cowboy pup named bear. 1 1/2. good looking, good mouth track dog. good locater. not ready yet but i enjoy him a lot. also bred cowboy to xtra. trying to thin my stock down to make room for these pups. this would have to be the two best hounds that i have ever coupled. we'll see what that brings.

Posted by Dan Dogs on 02-03-2007 03:18 AM:

what about

old 40 mile????lol

Posted by truly on 02-03-2007 03:21 AM:

josh, gotta ask something. you said on another post that u didnt think a great dog could reproduce better than he himself is. do you reallly believe that? seriously? if so please explain. i personally think great is in the eye of the beholder, but that any dog should be genetically capable of reproducing dogs better and worse than themselves. the contrapositive of your statement is that a worthless dog couldnt possibly repro anything even worse. not trying to pick trouble, seriouse question.

Posted by truly on 02-03-2007 03:22 AM:

dan was old 40 off of echo thru babe?

Posted by J. Hill on 02-03-2007 03:24 AM:

ben sounds like two good crosses u need to move to the country lol im heading there soon lol

Posted by josh on 02-03-2007 03:25 AM:

Ben,

If you averaged out ALL of Tuckers pups, would a majority be better than him?

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