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DQ - Champion

I have a Dalmatian that had a DQ fault, was shown by the breeder/owner, and finished at 15 months. This dog was shown all AKC. He won sweeps and other nice classes. I heard many times that even though he had a DQ fault, overall he was a great specimen for the breed. His DQ was the inside of his right nostril had a speck of missing pigment. Why place a dog that has horrible movement or sloppy topline if only a spec of pigment is missing?

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Professional Hander

What do you consider a Professional Handler?

I've been told it is someone that is paid to show someone's dog. I've also been told that it is someone that when they show a dog, any breed, can hide their faults well and still win.

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Conformation is for Ideal Specimens

O.K. I'm still naive when it comes to conformation. Too many YeahBut dogs. My $150 classified ad pup fit the standard, as did his siblings. Dogs being shown in conformation--labeled CHAMPIONS and worthy of breeding--ought to at least be that good. In 4-H, projects less than ideal used to get red or white ribbons.

Actually, missing pigment on a Dal's nose is not a DQ, it is a major fault in the AKC. In the UKC, it would be considered a 'serious fault'.

'AKC Dalmation standard reads: The nose is completely pigmented on the leather, black in black-spotted dogs and brown in liver-spotted dogs. Incomplete nose pigmentation is a major fault.'

Linda Rusinko
Wooster, Ohio

Dalmatian DQ

Linda you are correct it's not a DQ but a major fault. Sorry about the incorrect usage of language. Thanks for checking me on that.

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judges and standards

They should make the requirements to be a judge harder and only approve for each breed individually. They should require that each breed has a representative (like the parent clubs in AKC) has to "sign-off" a judge candidate or up the length of time a person has to have been a breeder in the breed which he has applied.

I know there are ways around all of it, but at least they could try!

Yes, I agree-the folks at AKC only think of UKC as existing for the hunting breeds! The show people need to have more structure to draw more competition for better bred dogs.

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Originally posted by BlackStar
They should make the requirements to be a judge harder and only approve for each breed individually. They should require that each breed has a representative (like the parent clubs in AKC) has to "sign-off" a judge candidate or up the length of time a person has to have been a breeder in the breed which he has applied.

I know there are ways around all of it, but at least they could try!

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Originally posted by BlackStar
Yes, I agree-the folks at AKC only think of UKC as existing for the hunting breeds! The show people need to have more structure to draw more competition for better bred dogs.

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Re: judges and standards

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Originally posted by BlackStar
They should make the requirements to be a judge harder and only approve for each breed individually. They should require that each breed has a representative (like the parent clubs in AKC) has to "sign-off" a judge candidate or up the length of time a person has to have been a breeder in the breed which he has applied.

I know there are ways around all of it, but at least they could try!

Yes, I agree-the folks at AKC only think of UKC as existing for the hunting breeds! The show people need to have more structure to draw more competition for better bred dogs.

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Well said GrendsLori in response to BLackStar's requirement to become a judge in both AKC and UKC.

Perhaps she/he should check out the new AKC judges in the past 15 years and she/he will find that the majority of them "were big time handlers" and actually asked by AKC to become a judge. Most of them have bred only one breed or none at all, but worked for AKC judges and were so highly recommended by those judges that they were given groups at a time to become a judge, so I ask which mother club "signed off" for them.

So where do we get the idea that judges should breed all the breeds to become a judge or have a "sign off" by a mother club representative. Most breeds don't have a mother club and when they do, most of those members can't agree on what the actual breed should be, so what happens then, some breeder of the breed signs off, which only if the proposed judge agrees with that person's breeding program. If this were true with the 250+++ breeds recognized by the world registries, you would have to live a 100++++ years and do nothing but breed dogs.

It took me almost 10 years to "earn" my licenses basically one by one in UKC and am proud of it. This took lots of work and many recommendations by breed owners who needed judges for their breeds, and lots of thanks to those people.

Another note is that UKC judges take their responsibilities seriously and don't play the handler game with placements and really don't care who is on the other end of the lead.

fran

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IF judges had to earn single breeds again, how many judges do you think it would take to hold an all-breed show? With everything going up in price (including judge's fees), I doubt that too many people would be able to support the show. Even if it were a multi-breed show the number of judges needed would still be a bit much. I'm sure you would want your breed to be included.

If everyone wants UKC to be like the "other" registry, what do we change next? Perhaps pre-entry only. That way everyone can plan their day accordingly. After that pro handlers and chalking.

It amazes me that this is a UKC message board and other registries are always popping up in the subjects here. I don't see any public forum boards on the "other" registy. If the "other" registry is so superior, why don't they offer a public forum board?

The United Kennel Club is what it is. Please don't confuse us with other registries.

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Originally posted by Tina Camp
IF judges had to earn single breeds again, how many judges do you think it would take to hold an all-breed show? With everything going up in price (including judge's fees), I doubt that too many people would be able to support the show. Even if it were a multi-breed show the number of judges needed would still be a bit much. I'm sure you would want your breed to be included.

If everyone wants UKC to be like the "other" registry, what do we change next? Perhaps pre-entry only. That way everyone can plan their day accordingly. After that pro handlers and chalking.

It amazes me that this is a UKC message board and other registries are always popping up in the subjects here. I don't see any public forum boards on the "other" registy. If the "other" registry is so superior, why don't they offer a public forum board?

The United Kennel Club is what it is. Please don't confuse us with other registries.

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GrendsLori

I, along with many other UKC supporters, handle in other registries. I personally feel that the UKC Message Board is not the place to educate or discuss the happenings of other registries. In my opinion, the UKC Message Boards should not have to "bear witness" to comparisons of other registries. It's like someone running for President of the United States and everytime they spoke, the sang the accolades of another country.

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Another note is that UKC judges take their responsibilities seriously and don't play the handler game with placements and really don't care who is on the other end of the lead.

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Originally posted by Tina Camp
I, along with many other UKC supporters, handle in other registries. I personally feel that the UKC Message Board is not the place to educate or discuss the happenings of other registries. In my opinion, the UKC Message Boards should not have to "bear witness" to comparisons of other registries. It's like someone running for President of the United States and everytime they spoke, the sang the accolades of another country.

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a reminder

G. Judges’ Code of Ethics. UKC Judges are approved on the basis of their knowledge of dogs, their understanding of the UKC rules, their dedication to the sport of purebred and performance dogs, and their integrity. Judges are the role models for our sport and, as such, are expected to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. Judges should adhere to the following guidelines when judging:

1. Remember that Judges’ decisions play a key role in determining future breeding stock. Conformation decisions must be based strictly on the UKC standard and performance placements on the UKC rules.

2. Remember that performance Judges must be sure they make every effort to be consistent when scoring/timing each dog.

3. Weigh Pull Judges who compete at an event where they are officiating must be aware that their decisions are subject to scrutiny and must make every effort to ensure that their decisions are above reproach.

4. Judges should dress appropriately for the event and the weather. A Judge’s appearance should always be neat and professional.

5. Judges must not only avoid impropriety but also the appearance of impropriety. In a sport where Judges are bound to have numerous friends among the exhibitors, it is important when judging to keep socializing at events to a minimum, both in and out of the ring. Judges should be cordial to all exhibitors while maintaining a professional distance.

6. When not judging, Judges are encouraged to participate in UKC events as spectators, exhibitors, workers, and club members. In such situations, however, Judges must be mindful that people give extra attention to their words. Judges should refrain from gossip and be cautious about discussing dogs they have judged.

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Re: a reminder

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Originally posted by aprilfawn
G. Judges’ Code of Ethics. UKC Judges are approved on the basis of their knowledge of dogs, their understanding of the UKC rules, their dedication to the sport of purebred and performance dogs, and their integrity. Judges are the role models for our sport and, as such, are expected to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. Judges should adhere to the following guidelines when judging:

1. Remember that Judges’ decisions play a key role in determining future breeding stock. Conformation decisions must be based strictly on the UKC standard and performance placements on the UKC rules.

2. Remember that performance Judges must be sure they make every effort to be consistent when scoring/timing each dog.

3. Weigh Pull Judges who compete at an event where they are officiating must be aware that their decisions are subject to scrutiny and must make every effort to ensure that their decisions are above reproach.

4. Judges should dress appropriately for the event and the weather. A Judge’s appearance should always be neat and professional.

5. Judges must not only avoid impropriety but also the appearance of impropriety. In a sport where Judges are bound to have numerous friends among the exhibitors, it is important when judging to keep socializing at events to a minimum, both in and out of the ring. Judges should be cordial to all exhibitors while maintaining a professional distance.

6. When not judging, Judges are encouraged to participate in UKC events as spectators, exhibitors, workers, and club members. In such situations, however, Judges must be mindful that people give extra attention to their words. Judges should refrain from gossip and be cautious about discussing dogs they have judged.

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Ibizan doesn't show where????

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Originally posted by Lilac Hill APBT
[As to the comment most show AKC, well not all breeds are AKC breeds. Mine isn't. The Ibizan doesn't show AKC either so that shoots down that theory.

Was this thread about the standard? I'm actually really happy with the job Kathy did with the Ibizan standard and have NO complaints. I Do have complaints about the APBT standard but she didn't write it so...... [/B]

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Re: Ibizan doesn't show where????

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Am I miss-understanding the paragraph above? The Ibizan doesn't show AKC? It has since it was recognized by the AKC in 1979....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibizan_Hound

....and there was a quite nice Ibizan shown in the Westminster yesterday. I'm personally acquainted with one of the foremost AKC breeders of Ibizans, and have known her since shortly after the breed was recognized, so perhaps the poster meant something else??

Sue Hamilton

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Originally posted by Lilac Hill APBT
MY Ibizan doesn't show AKC. In fact his uncle WAS in Westminster on Monday. We don't do the politics of IHCUS and Phantom's breeder is fine with it. As to your pointing out who you know, your point would be what exactly?

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Judges are suppose to attend seminars, is there a way that UKC could track which judges have and have not attended a seminar? Another idea is if a judge gets more than a couple of complaints that UKC can review their license? Just curious.

Dear Padfoot

If you go to the judges list, you will find that there is a note after each judge's name when he/she is due for another seminar. We must attend one every three years to keep our judging privileges.

When we send in show applications with prospective judges for an event, they are approved by UKC. If the judge has not attended a seminar at least every three years, they are not approved by UKC to judge until the seminar is attended. So, UKC does track the judges.

And once again the person who spoke of the Ibizan not being an accepted breed by AKC, is just another example that a lot of the posts and replies on this message board are unfounded because people do not have all the facts regarding a situation, full knowledge of what they are speaking. This is message board is used a lot to just vent complaints about one thing or another or just about anything which spreads gossip and unfounded inuendos.

Fran

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Originally posted by figtree

And once again the person who spoke of the Ibizan not being an accepted breed by AKC, is just another example that a lot of the posts and replies on this message board are unfounded because people do not have all the facts regarding a situation, full knowledge of what they are speaking. This is message board is used a lot to just vent complaints about one thing or another or just about anything which spreads gossip and unfounded inuendos.

Fran

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